Tech / General Engine Is your car making a strange sound or won't start? Thinking of adding power with a new combination? Need other technical information or engine specific advice? Don't see another board for your problem? Post it here!

Low oil pressure cold start

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 05-15-2017, 10:27 AM
  #1  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
JRobling's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Washington
Posts: 99
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
Car: 1989 IROC-Z
Engine: 5.7L V8
Low oil pressure cold start

So like the title says when I'm trying to start my car cold it takes a while for it to start firing. I noticed that it starts firing when the oil pressure gauge gets high. I don't have the cold start injector and if already replaced my oil pressure sensor. Is there a way to get oil pressure built up faster?
Old 05-15-2017, 10:55 AM
  #2  
Supreme Member
iTrader: (1)
 
GeneralDisorder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 4,255
Received 422 Likes on 323 Posts
Car: 86 Imponte Ruiner 450GT, 91 Formula
Engine: 350 Vortec, FIRST TPI, 325 RWHP
Transmission: 700R4 3000 stall.
Axle/Gears: 9 Bolt Torsen 3.70
Re: Low oil pressure cold start

Sounds like you aren't getting fuel pump power till you build oil pressure. The fuel pump prime relay gives fuel pump power during key-on and cranking, etc. Then the oil pressure switch takes over. I would be looking at the fuel pump relay and it's power source, etc.

GD
Old 05-15-2017, 11:16 AM
  #3  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
JRobling's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Washington
Posts: 99
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
Car: 1989 IROC-Z
Engine: 5.7L V8
Re: Low oil pressure cold start

I just replaced the fuel pump, fuel filter, and relay
Old 05-15-2017, 12:57 PM
  #4  
Supreme Member
iTrader: (1)
 
GeneralDisorder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 4,255
Received 422 Likes on 323 Posts
Car: 86 Imponte Ruiner 450GT, 91 Formula
Engine: 350 Vortec, FIRST TPI, 325 RWHP
Transmission: 700R4 3000 stall.
Axle/Gears: 9 Bolt Torsen 3.70
Re: Low oil pressure cold start

Do you have a test light or meter? You should check for power to the pump when you turn the key on (do not crank the engine). This will tell you if there is power there with key on and cranking before the oil pressure switch closes. It may not be the relay itself - could be the ECM isn't triggering it or it has no power going to it... etc.

GD
Old 05-15-2017, 01:28 PM
  #5  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
JRobling's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Washington
Posts: 99
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
Car: 1989 IROC-Z
Engine: 5.7L V8
Re: Low oil pressure cold start

I'll have to check that when I get home. I know it takes a while for the fuel pump to prime again if I turn the key to the on position and then turn it off then trying to get it to prime again for another cycle takes a while.
Old 05-15-2017, 11:25 PM
  #6  
Senior Member

 
Vanilla Ice's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: ARIZONA
Posts: 948
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Car: 92 Trans Am Conv
Engine: LB9
Transmission: T5
Axle/Gears: 3.08
Re: Low oil pressure cold start

Originally Posted by GeneralDisorder
Sounds like you aren't getting fuel pump power till you build oil pressure.
I thought that was normal in thirdgens?
Old 05-16-2017, 09:33 AM
  #7  
Supreme Member
iTrader: (1)
 
GeneralDisorder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 4,255
Received 422 Likes on 323 Posts
Car: 86 Imponte Ruiner 450GT, 91 Formula
Engine: 350 Vortec, FIRST TPI, 325 RWHP
Transmission: 700R4 3000 stall.
Axle/Gears: 9 Bolt Torsen 3.70
Re: Low oil pressure cold start

There is a relay that is designed to kick on the pump at key-on, cranking, and for a bit after start to let it build oil pressure. Then the pressure switch takes over so if it's in an accident the fuel pump power will b cut by the loss of oil pressure.

GD
Old 05-16-2017, 10:21 AM
  #8  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
JRobling's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Washington
Posts: 99
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
Car: 1989 IROC-Z
Engine: 5.7L V8
Re: Low oil pressure cold start

Separate relay or the same relay?
Old 05-16-2017, 10:44 AM
  #9  
Senior Member

 
Vanilla Ice's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: ARIZONA
Posts: 948
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Car: 92 Trans Am Conv
Engine: LB9
Transmission: T5
Axle/Gears: 3.08
Re: Low oil pressure cold start

I meant injectors firing is disabled until oil pressure comes up.
Old 05-16-2017, 10:57 AM
  #10  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
JRobling's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Washington
Posts: 99
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
Car: 1989 IROC-Z
Engine: 5.7L V8
Re: Low oil pressure cold start

Originally Posted by Vanilla Ice
I meant injectors firing is disabled until oil pressure comes up.
that's exactly what I want to fix
Old 05-16-2017, 02:55 PM
  #11  
Supreme Member
iTrader: (1)
 
GeneralDisorder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 4,255
Received 422 Likes on 323 Posts
Car: 86 Imponte Ruiner 450GT, 91 Formula
Engine: 350 Vortec, FIRST TPI, 325 RWHP
Transmission: 700R4 3000 stall.
Axle/Gears: 9 Bolt Torsen 3.70
Re: Low oil pressure cold start

Originally Posted by Vanilla Ice
I meant injectors firing is disabled until oil pressure comes up.
It is? I wasn't aware the ECM had any oil pressure input.... are you sure? I'm going to check out the diagram on that one

GD
Old 05-16-2017, 03:06 PM
  #12  
Senior Member

 
Vanilla Ice's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: ARIZONA
Posts: 948
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Car: 92 Trans Am Conv
Engine: LB9
Transmission: T5
Axle/Gears: 3.08
Re: Low oil pressure cold start

I am not claiming anything. I just remember seeing that somewhere on here.
http://www.corvettebuyers.com/c4vettes/l98.htm

Last edited by Vanilla Ice; 05-16-2017 at 03:09 PM.
Old 05-18-2017, 04:01 PM
  #13  
Senior Member

 
bjankuski's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Glenbeulah, WI
Posts: 599
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: 1988 Firbird
Engine: 406
Transmission: T-56
Axle/Gears: 4.10
Re: Low oil pressure cold start

Injector firing is not related to oil pressure. My guess is you need a new chip to add in additional cranking fuel to help it start quicker.
Old 05-19-2017, 07:54 PM
  #14  
Member
 
LiveIt!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Florida
Posts: 348
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: 1988 Camaro Sport Coupe
Engine: The All-Powerful 2.8l!! :P
Re: Low oil pressure cold start

You said you replaced the oil pressure sensor, what about the oil pressure switch? Last time I checked there was 2 switches-the oil pressure sensor that gives your gauge reading, and the oil pressure switch that actually runs the pump.
Old 05-20-2017, 08:47 AM
  #15  
Moderator

iTrader: (1)
 
RBob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Chasing Electrons
Posts: 18,400
Likes: 0
Received 215 Likes on 201 Posts
Car: check
Engine: check
Transmission: check
Re: Low oil pressure cold start

Originally Posted by JRobling
So like the title says when I'm trying to start my car cold it takes a while for it to start firing. I noticed that it starts firing when the oil pressure gauge gets high. I don't have the cold start injector and if already replaced my oil pressure sensor. Is there a way to get oil pressure built up faster?
Need to do some quick & easy trouble shooting. Get a fuel pressure gauge and attach it to the fuel rail port. Place it so that you can see it while you operate the ignition key/switch.

Do a key-on, engine-off (KOEO). The fuel pressure should rise to about 43 psi. After about 2 seconds the pump should stop and the fuel pressure should drop a little. It may also bleed off quickly, but the key here is to see if the pump runs at KOEO.

In the above test if the fuel pressure doesn't increase at KOEO, then the fuel pump relay isn't sending power to the pump. Start the trouble shooting there.

If the fuel pressure did get up near 43 psi, then tap over the ignition key to crank the engine for a brief period of time. The pump should run again for 2 seconds and bring the fuel pressure up. If so then the fuel pump, pump relay, and pump wiring is OK.

Do you know whether the ECM has the stock PROM in it? Or has it been tuned?

RBob.
Old 05-20-2017, 08:50 AM
  #16  
Moderator

iTrader: (1)
 
RBob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Chasing Electrons
Posts: 18,400
Likes: 0
Received 215 Likes on 201 Posts
Car: check
Engine: check
Transmission: check
Re: Low oil pressure cold start

Originally Posted by Vanilla Ice
I am not claiming anything. I just remember seeing that somewhere on here.
http://www.corvettebuyers.com/c4vettes/l98.htm
Be careful of that article, lots of incorrect information in it.

RBob.
Old 05-20-2017, 11:05 AM
  #17  
Senior Member

 
Vanilla Ice's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: ARIZONA
Posts: 948
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Car: 92 Trans Am Conv
Engine: LB9
Transmission: T5
Axle/Gears: 3.08
Re: Low oil pressure cold start

Originally Posted by RBob
Be careful of that article, lots of incorrect information in it.

RBob.
I never saw it before, only looked for where the oil pressure is linked to fuel pump and Google found that.




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:21 AM.