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GM steel crank and rods, arp main and rod bolts, comp cams hardened.080 pushrods, melling pump, je pistons, comp cams roller rockers, comp cams true roller timing chain, not sure on the brand of converter but I have the box at the shop, b&m clutches and steels and shift kit, seal power rings and bearings
This is probably a rare question here but is this for the weekend , the dragstrip or 4-5 days a week. I absolutely love everything about it. There's a video and it sounds and looks beautiful. The closest I've got to this is a super rare bird 1970 Nova SS with the 402 and the aluminum heads l89 .That was 430hp
He is saying 450 to 500hp on the 87 but it looks like the build is more then that. He is sensing a bit of apprehension in my voice I think, I'm looking for any and all thoughts on this.
Sounds about like every used car ad ever written about a Chevy with a basic rebuild. Not saying that the seller is exaggerating. But you can put a lot of fancy sounding and exotic parts into a 350 block and still not have a 400hp engine. The proof is in the test drive. Either it's fast, or it's not. In all likelyhood it's probably not that fast.
Sounds about like every used car ad ever written about a Chevy with a basic rebuild. Not saying that the seller is exaggerating. But you can put a lot of fancy sounding and exotic parts into a 350 block and still not have a 400hp engine. The proof is in the test drive. Either it's fast, or it's not. In all likelyhood it's probably not that fast.
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Last edited by jbander; 02-19-2019 at 04:30 PM.
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Not to mention - if you aren't an accomplished mechanic or have deep pockets for the day when this DOES leave you on the side of the road - don't. Just do everyone a favor and go pickup a nice used Camry. That is much too highly modified for a daily driver unless you are a professional mechanic.
HERES A VIDEO, I'm LITTLE CONFUSED HERE SOMEONE IS TELLING ME IT WON'T BE ABLE TO REACH 400HP AND ANOTHER SAYS , IF i'M NOT A TRAINED MECHANIC . THAT IT'S DUMB FOR ME TO PURCHASE THIS .IF IT'S LES THEN 400HP i WOULD HAVE TO ASK WHY.,I'VE OWNED CARS WITH MORE THEN THAT hp AND THEY WEREN'T A PROBLEM OTHER THEN ADJUSTING VALVES AND CARB. MAYBE i ASKED THIS THREAD WRONG OR SOMETHING.
The heads and cam make these engines. Also exhaust. Other than "301 duration" and "stainless valves" we haven't got anywhere close to enough information to estimate HP. What heads? What cam exactly? What valve springs? What headers?
What about a complete build sheet with part numbers? How about a blueprint with all the clearances, specs, etc? Pushrod length.... type of distributor gear used with cam. Break in lubricants, and processes?
Engine with 2800 miles could be a sweet gem, or it could be a ticking bomb. Will the owner let you have it inspected including an oil filter cut to inspect for debris?
The heads and cam make these engines. Also exhaust. Other than "301 duration" and "stainless valves" we haven't got anywhere close to enough information to estimate HP. What heads? What cam exactly? What valve springs? What headers?
What about a complete build sheet with part numbers? How about a blueprint with all the clearances, specs, etc? Pushrod length.... type of distributor gear used with cam. Break in lubricants, and processes?
Engine with 2800 miles could be a sweet gem, or it could be a ticking bomb. Will the owner let you have it inspected including an oil filter cut to inspect for debris?
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My last car was 63 Chrysler 300 and it was driven 400 miles in the last summer I had it. Car club drives and get together. That would be fine with me. hell I'm actually would except a lower HP build , no track, I plan on starting it up and sit next to it just to listen to it. I asked the owner and the r&s racing for the build sheet , I'll see what they have.
I'm LITTLE CONFUSED HERE SOMEONE IS TELLING ME IT WON'T BE ABLE TO REACH 400HP
That's not what I said. I said the description reads like a used project car classifieds ad, and that often the spiel is far from reality. Test drive the thing, if it runs like poop and can't get out of it's own way, don't pay a premium for the story.
I'm skeptical of anyone claiming a 500hp sbc in a Sport Coupe that probably has a peg-leg rear, with a bolt on cowl hood scoop and 1994 American Racing wheels. When a guy tells you he's got a 500hp 350, and in the next sentence tells you he had the heads machined for better springs and new valves, I'm conditioned to expect he's going to tell you all about his 'double humps' or some other 1970s smogster garbage.
The unfortunate reality is that people selling things, especially cars and small block V8s, will 'sell' the item by telling you it's somewhat better than what it is. Fact is that most small blocks, most 350s, are smog controlled, Farm Truck garbage from the 70s. You take that garbage to the machine shop and select a basic stock rebuild, with the minimum of aftermarket parts, and you can rattle off an impressive "build list" of fancy sounding parts.
"Well, I had J&E Racing Machine bore the block 30 over, cut the crank, rebuilt the I beam rods with AARP bolts, new KB pop-up pistons, balanced rotating assembly, and high output oil pump. Then got an Isky 3/4 race, Marine Jet-Race camshaft, with a Cloyes hyper-full-roller timing chain. Took the ole 'double humps' and had em machined with new undercut triple polished 2.02 valves, pocket ports, and 'Z28' springs..." Usually means he took a wore out 150hp 350 out of a Farm Truck, to the local dirt track roundy-round machine shop, and spent 2 grand to have them recondition that pure garbage back to nearly new specs (still 150hp) then tossed in the minimum upgrades to make it a 200hp engine... With a camshaft picked at complete random from the JEGS catalog, that's probably so mismatched that half the fuel blows out the tail pipe unburned, but damn it sounds cool, like some kind of RACE CURRRR...
Sorry, I'm rambling, but if I had a single horsepower for every load of hog wash about some basic rebuild I've heard or read, I'd be John Force. Dollars to donuts, the seller is full of ****. Don't blindly trust the nonsensical description and wild story, judge the car on how it actually runs and drives.
Drew gets a cookie for being absolutely correct. It actually takes quite a bit of work and more money than they are asking for that whole pile to make 500 HP out of a 355. Just the heads to accomplish this feat without forced induction or NOS would run about half what they are asking for the whole pile and said heads would come with valves and likely springs as well so there really wouldn't be a need to mention those separately.
I find it unlikely at that price. They would, in all likelyhood, be losing their a$$.
Probably has a 10 bolt rear - which will not hold up to that much power for long.
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Last edited by GeneralDisorder; 02-20-2019 at 03:33 PM.
This is my last message to the owner
"your box and tell me which Linati cam, what is it's part number. Which heads did you get reworked , vortex, smoggers, swirl port, camalhump etc.. Piston part numbers. Tell me about the exhaust system , headers ,etc What carb. Does it have the 10 bolt rear. The drive is to long to not know this build." other then lying , I have to drive it OK. Did I miss any critical questions
Ok folks I squeezed all I can from you but on the way out of the door I just want to add that you people are the biggest *** holes that I've ever been confronted with in a forum. My sin not knowing much about engines and performance builds , didn't have the right names for parts and was guilty of asking questions about a subject that I had very little knowledge in. I may not know about motors but I dam well know the difference between a good guy and a *** hole. Your type of person is refereed to as low lives' Here's a definition of who you people are. This is Your bracket you fall into is
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Don't let the screen door of our double-wide hit ya on the way out. The hydraulic closer don't work too good and she kinda blows shut like a bear trap. LoL.
P.S. - Am I a "poor sucker" or a "creep"
....... that got ugly real sudden like. Some people really just shouldn't Internet.
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Last edited by GeneralDisorder; 02-21-2019 at 11:24 PM.
wow!!!! i didn't think anything was wrong with any post on hear. he asked questions and had got honest answers. this is not the ***** wonka forum, **** aint sugar coated. i seen a few jokes and would even have laughed at them if they was at me. but to come out and call people helping you names and talking trash......thats methed up man.
Weak pitiful, self righteous *** hole answers, you **** over some guy who just asked questions that they didn't know and and as I suspected you weak ****s are patting yourself and each other on your back saying that the problem lies with me not you being *** holes. This is now just entertainment to me at this point. Your a group of lowlifes.
That's a good start. Post his reply here. We love this stuff. It's hilarious.
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Originally Posted by jbander
Weak pitiful, self righteous *** hole answers, you **** over some guy who just asked questions that they didn't know and and as I suspected you weak ****s are patting yourself and each other on your back saying that the problem lies with me not you being *** holes. This is now just entertainment to me at this point. Your a group of lowlifes.
Nobody here is mocking YOU at all, hence why you got genuine answers to your questions. There are people on this forum who are experts in history and originality, and then there are ones who are experts in the mechanics behind it. You got genuine, useful responses from one of the most well respected members on here regarding mechanical knowledge. We see SO many people advertise cars as being something they're not so we get kicks out of picking them out and making sure people know the truth and avoid buying a pile of garbage. YOU are not the seller, YOU are not the one advertising the car, and these guys aren't joking around about YOU. This is a great forum littered with great people, I'm sorry for my Kleenex comment, and you probably shouldn't buy that specific Camaro. Welcome to TGO
Jeezuz. Go drink a beer or something. We're all here trying to help each other solve problems and get an education about cars and sometimes about life. And yeah when you step into the shop wearing your ignorance on your sleeve people are going to laugh a bit. It's how YOU respond to this that tells us what kind of person you are. So now you look like a fool for being thin skinned and lashing out at a knowledgeable bunch of guys just trying to hang out here, relax and have a nice conversation. Sure we joke and we make fun of each other but among us there's no ill will intended. If you can't take a few jokes you fail our initiation. So go away already. We don't need your kind here.
Turns out, Mr Bander is a boomer. Blows my mind. I'm torn between respecting the elderly, and being a wise-***.
Mr Bander, Sir... Please don't take this the wrong way, but the seller sounds like he's not being 100% truthful. There's no telling if that's because he's crooked, or if he doesn't know any better, but it's suspicious. No one is picking on you, we were picking on the stereotypical know-nothing seller that doesn't know what's going on. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
Na your *** holes and you supporting each other being *** holes seems to be a thing here. Like I said I got what I needed , I strained it through the bullshit. To a repeat myself , i may not be a expert on engines but I'm a expert on telling who is a *** hole and who is a good guy. Comes with the wisdom that comes with being a boomer Drew. This is only entertainment to me at this point. . It's got to be hard finding out your gurus are *** holes.
Yeah - people can put anything they like down for their DOB. Doesn't mean it's true.
I don't think it has anything to do with age. There are just some people that take everything personally.
Based on the ad and the conversations posted in this thread we are dealing with a buyer and a seller that have very basic levels of understanding. And if he really is 73 and still has this basic level of understanding it's really no wonder why - he doesn't listen and doesn't respect the knowledge we have all worked very hard to acquire.
He's probably angry at us because asking all those questions killed the sale or the guy already sold it or pulled the listing or something. Missed out on his dream car
Na your *** holes and you supporting each other being *** holes seems to be a thing here. Like I said I got what I needed , I strained it through the bullshit. To a repeat myself , i may not be a expert on engines but I'm a expert on telling who is a *** hole and who is a good guy. Comes with the wisdom that comes with being a boomer Drew. This is only entertainment to me at this point. . It's got to be hard finding out your gurus are *** holes.
Na your *** holes and you supporting each other being *** holes seems to be a thing here. Like I said I got what I needed , I strained it through the bullshit. To a repeat myself , i may not be a expert on engines but I'm a expert on telling who is a *** hole and who is a good guy. Comes with the wisdom that comes with being a boomer Drew. This is only entertainment to me at this point. . It's got to be hard finding out your gurus are *** holes.
Oh I'm FULLY aware that I'm a full-fledged dues-paying member of the a$$-hole fraternity. Earned the right to a lifetime membership with my DD-214. Go *uck yourself BTW.
You know you got them by the rocks when all they got is your bad spelling and the way you conjugate a verb. Just more proof in my book. there is multiple words that are misspelled here on this threat and cowboy didn't have a word to **** out. Keep this up , most people have to pay money for this amount of entertainment.
Na your *** holes and you supporting each other being *** holes seems to be a thing here.
I know I'm an *******. So what? By "here", do you mean the internet? Because compared to most public forums, I think we are pretty good about welcoming new members and supporting our community. Go post something stupid on a Facebook group, or Youtube, or Reddit, and see how it goes down. Aside from a vocal idiot-echo-chamber effect, you'll probably get much less support and catch a lot more grief than anyone gave you here.
If you got what you needed, why are you being rude?
Comes with the wisdom that comes with being a boomer Drew.
Your generation ruined the world. Riding on the coat tails of better men, and the prosperity of the post-war period, leaving nothing but problems for future generations to try in futility to rectify.
No sir, if anything you're just outing yourself as a troll at this point. If anything, we gave you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't know any better, and now it's becoming clear that your first post here was just bait. Well played. Now you can go back to being a wanna-be, maybe pick yourself up a nice Corvette. Something better suited for the silverhair Depends crowd. That'll sure show us, at least until the state revokes your driver's license for being senile. Congrats on beating the odds of life expectancy!
I know I'm an *******. So what? By "here", do you mean the internet? Because compared to most public forums, I think we are pretty good about welcoming new members and supporting our community. Go post something stupid on a Facebook group, or Youtube, or Reddit, and see how it goes down. Aside from a vocal idiot-echo-chamber effect, you'll probably get much less support and catch a lot more grief than anyone gave you here.
If you got what you needed, why are you being rude?
Your generation ruined the world. Riding on the coat tails of better men, and the prosperity of the post-war period, leaving nothing but problems for future generations to try in futility to rectify.
No sir, if anything you're just outing yourself as a troll at this point. If anything, we gave you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't know any better, and now it's becoming clear that your first post here was just bait. Well played. Now you can go back to being a wanna-be, maybe pick yourself up a nice Corvette. Something better suited for the silverhair Depends crowd. That'll sure show us, at least until the state revokes your driver's license for being senile. Congrats on beating the odds of life expectancy!
Your still *** holes and proving it with every comment. You just can't imagine how funny this is , love it.
You kidding me? It's totally funny! Except now we're laughing AT YOU.
I'm sitting here in the lobby of MY OWN performance shop on a quiet Friday with a movie theater popcorn machine, and a fridge full of Corona. You can't buy entertainment like this. All my employees are laughing at you too.
Does this ring a familiar "344 mile Iroc" bell to anyone else??
Kinda.... It reads like "Hey guys, rate my classified ad" and then when we point out the pure optimism of the "450-500hp" on rebuilt iron heads, he gets all defensive. Like clearly we were supposed to be awestruck by the "super rare bird 1970 Nova SS" and the OP's vast 400 mile "experience" of driving his Sooper Stock Dodge 63 Chrysler 300 MOPAR crap-wagon. Since we didn't just blindly swoon over his wannabe car guy talk, we're positively *******s for pointing out that the story is a bit fishy. It's just unbelievable that we'd suggest a noob caveat emptor. What a bunch of jerks we are for not bowing down to our new 500hp JCWhitney hoodscoop Overlord.
02-18-2019, 10:21 PM
Drew gets a cookie for being absolutely correct. It actually takes quite a bit of work and more money than they are asking for that whole pile to make 500 HP out of a 355. Just the heads to accomplish this feat without forced induction or NOS would run about half what they are asking for the whole pile and said heads would come with valves and likely springs as well so there really wouldn't be a need to mention those separately.
