I was talking to someone about the old Fram oil filter problems. Did anyone ever have an engine failure from the PH30 ? I mean your own personal car, not internet jiberious.

 

There's an entire forum about motor oil and filters. Bobistheoilguy or something similar dot com.

The better question is why you'd use a FRAM filter when everybody and your brother will tell you that FRAM filters are crap.

 

Not sure why you are posing that question?? My question was if anyone had a Fram failure on their F body.
Nowadays, all the Fram filters are not going to internally self destruct, but there was a problem 10-15 years ago.

 

With all the high quality, known quantity filters, why bet on FRAM?

I doubt you're going to find anyone reputable that will have been using a FRAM in the last decade. Filters and oil choices are very personal things, you'll seldom get multiple people to agree that one filter is better than another, but you'll likely find a lot that wouldn't touch a FRAM.

Fortunately, there's an entire forum about oils and filters. There are lists online detailing which filters come from which factories and notable differences between them. Far more info than the few usual suspects here will give you. There's more information out there than most people will ever be able to read.

 

You obviously didn't read my original question, so please refrain from answering. I asked 1 question.

DID ANYONE ON THIS FORUM LOSE AN ENGINE DUE TO A FRAM FILTER?

 

Chevrolet Recall : Oil Filter/Oil Leak/Possible Fire

1986 Chevrolet Camaro

Date AnnouncedOCT 24, 2007Vehicles Affected121,680NHTSA Campaign #07E088000Certain Honeywell Fram racing brand HP4 and HP8 oil filters that were manufactured from May 25, 2006, through September 14, 2007, and sold for use as replacement equipment for vehicles list above. The affected filters are marked with a date code A61451 through A72571 sequentially. The date code and part number appear on the filter housing. Fram racing HP4 and HP8 oil filters not bearing a date code in this range are not affected by this recall. The gasket of the oil filter becomes more pliable under high temperatures and pressures.

 

No. Because no one on this forum is retarded enough to run a POS FRAM filter.

No one uses FRAM filters except the uber poor and soccer moms that don't know any better.

Not sure why it's so hard to understand that when a product gets a bad reputation, and is consistently known for quality in line with their "race to the bottom" prices, it's easier to simply choose a competitors product that doesn't have a checkered reputation.

Think of it like this... If you were a bank manager, and two applicants for a janitorial position were in front of you, one is a college student, looking to work nights and weekends for a little cash, and the other is a paroled convict, just got out after serving time for bank robbery... Who would you hire? The dirt cheap Walmart orange box with a history of armed robbery, or virtually any other oil filter brand?

If you don't like my answers, perhaps you should cease asking the question.

Edit - I shouldn't pick on the uber poors and dipshit soccer moms. They're just as likely to buy a Supertech filter on price alone, and will likely end up with a higher quality filter than a FRAM, through sheer dumb luck.

 

To your specific question, about 40 years ago - late 1970's, I drove a 351 Mustang. I did not lose the engine, but likely sustained excess wear or internal damage. I changed oil and filter every 2500 miles. I always used Fram as I thought they were good. At oil change time one winter, I came off of the highway after a 100 mile run and immediately changed the oil. The Fram filter was stone cold as if it was not flowing oil. My assumption was that it was plugged for some reason and bypassing. I had never experienced it before, previously the filters were always hot to the touch - even in cold weather. That caused me to avoid Fram oil filters. It may have been a rare anomaly and I can't say anything about the quality of today's filters, but one questionable event can affect your opinion of a product brand.

 

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I think this is actually a pretty good question. I too have read a LOT of internet jibberish about Fram filters, but have never had a conversation with anyone who actually had a problem. It almost seems to be an urban legend or old wives tale anymore. Years ago I did some internet research on it and only found some outdated articles about it. I remember one was on bobtheoilguy website, and it documented that most oil filters were actually made in the same factory and just rebranded/boxed under other names. At that time there was only a handful of manufacturers, and I remember noting that people in online forums were trashing Fram and similar filters but bragging about other branded ones that were actually made in the same factories.

I was still nervous about it, and generally have gone with Wix and Mobile1 for years since just as a precaution. I do extended oil drains on everything though and get at least 7,500 miles out of them before changing.

 

My old 305 G-van tried to eat its fram air filter through the Q-Jet once. Does that count as a fram filter failure?

Cut even a modern fram filter apart and you will see it is JUNK compared to the competition.

Mobil One, Amsoil, or Wix XP are the only filters I will run. I also only run Mobil One or Penzoil Platinum. Picked up my 07 G35 with 130K on the odometer. No idea what the previous 3 owners ran in it or the oil change interval. Had to replace the valve cover gaskets the other day at 215K. 85K of Mobil One or Penzoil Platinum and Mobil One or Wix XP. I get whichever I can get cheaper on the specials Autozone or Oreilly's run and use them interchangeably. Autozone runs the Mobil One and Oreillys the Penzoil/Wix combo. I change the oil every ~5-7k, I shoot for 5K but if it still looked clean on the stick I would go longer. I could tell this engine had some sludge buildup earlier in its life and was not nearly this clean looking down the oil fill neck at 130K. Oil was changed after the valve cover swap with Penzoil Platinum and a Wix XP. Was like $38 out the door. At that price why skimp?


Also made in the same factory does not mean same quality or construction especially considering they probably come off seperate assembly lines or atleast multiple production runs on the same line. After all a 2.5 Iron Duke 3rd gen came down the same assembly line as a V8. Does that make them the same?

The 383 in my Express van was filled with Mobil One and had a Mobil One filter with a Zinc additive for initial fire up and break in. Its a myth that synthetic keeps an engine from properly being broken in. GM factory filled the LT1 and LT4 Corvette engines with Mobil one and many other manufacturers do as well. GTR is factory filled with 0w40 European Mobil One.