Drivetrain Limitations?
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From: MI
Car: 1986 Pontiac Trans Am WS6
Engine: 383 Stroker
Transmission: TCI 725hp built 700R4
Axle/Gears: 94 Camaro 10 bolt. Posi 3.23
Drivetrain Limitations?
Hello, I have a 1986 Trans Am. I am currently undergoing a 383 build to swap in it this winter. The power levels are going to be roughly 400 horsepower. The stock 700R4 is gonna get a shift kit and a corvette servo. The thing I'm worried about is the stock 10 bolt. I've heard these things aren't very strong. I take this car to the strip every once in and while. The stall is the stock low stall 1500 ish converter. I also do have some Nitto N555Rs for slicks. I'm wondering if the 10 bolt will hold up to the power with a stock stall? And if the thing blows, what would be considered for a replacement? I don't want to spend the money for a Mosier 9 inch or something like that. I've heard to grab a rear end out of a 90-92 firebird/Camaro. Because they are 28 spline axles and all limited slips. I don't know if this is true but if so great.
Thanks, Sean
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From: Manitoba
Car: '91 GTA
Engine: 421sbc
Transmission: Powerglide
Axle/Gears: Ford 9" with 3.89
Re: Drivetrain Limitations?
For the power level you have now, you'll be fine.
The low stall converter will help not to break your diff.
For replacement, don't put in the same diff, unless you want it to break again.
You can build up the stock gm 10 bolt, with little money , weld axle tubes and get a girdle.
If you want to go fast, you gotta spend the cash...
The low stall converter will help not to break your diff.
For replacement, don't put in the same diff, unless you want it to break again.
You can build up the stock gm 10 bolt, with little money , weld axle tubes and get a girdle.
If you want to go fast, you gotta spend the cash...
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Car: 1986 Pontiac Trans Am WS6
Engine: 383 Stroker
Transmission: TCI 725hp built 700R4
Axle/Gears: 94 Camaro 10 bolt. Posi 3.23
Re: Drivetrain Limitations?
For the power level you have now, you'll be fine.
The low stall converter will help not to break your diff.
For replacement, don't put in the same diff, unless you want it to break again.
You can build up the stock gm 10 bolt, with little money , weld axle tubes and get a girdle.
If you want to go fast, you gotta spend the cash...
The low stall converter will help not to break your diff.
For replacement, don't put in the same diff, unless you want it to break again.
You can build up the stock gm 10 bolt, with little money , weld axle tubes and get a girdle.
If you want to go fast, you gotta spend the cash...
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From: Portland, OR
Car: 86 Imponte Ruiner 450GT, 91 Formula
Engine: 350 Vortec, FIRST TPI, 325 RWHP
Transmission: 700R4 3000 stall.
Axle/Gears: 9 Bolt Torsen 3.70
Re: Drivetrain Limitations?
Diff may be ok for a bit if the tires aren't sticky. Especially if it's a clapped Auburn posi - probably won't lockup hard enough to break anything. Might break an axle shaft though if you get it to hook with that much power.
But you'll blow the "stock" 700 to bits. No question. Especially the older unit without the aux valve body. Shift kit and servo won't help it any. It's just not going to be strong enough without upgrades.
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But you'll blow the "stock" 700 to bits. No question. Especially the older unit without the aux valve body. Shift kit and servo won't help it any. It's just not going to be strong enough without upgrades.
GD
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Car: 1986 Pontiac Trans Am WS6
Engine: 383 Stroker
Transmission: TCI 725hp built 700R4
Axle/Gears: 94 Camaro 10 bolt. Posi 3.23
Re: Drivetrain Limitations?
Diff may be ok for a bit if the tires aren't sticky. Especially if it's a clapped Auburn posi - probably won't lockup hard enough to break anything. Might break an axle shaft though if you get it to hook with that much power.
But you'll blow the "stock" 700 to bits. No question. Especially the older unit without the aux valve body. Shift kit and servo won't help it any. It's just not going to be strong enough without upgrades.
GD
But you'll blow the "stock" 700 to bits. No question. Especially the older unit without the aux valve body. Shift kit and servo won't help it any. It's just not going to be strong enough without upgrades.
GD
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From: NJ
Car: 1987 IROC-Z
Engine: 406 on N20 w/ EFI
Transmission: P.B. 700R4
Axle/Gears: 12 bolt w/ 3.91
Re: Drivetrain Limitations?
whats the significance of your username? 9sinteh86TA. 1/8th mile ? is is 9's your hopeful 1/4 mile goal of the car's build?
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Car: 1986 Pontiac Trans Am WS6
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Transmission: TCI 725hp built 700R4
Axle/Gears: 94 Camaro 10 bolt. Posi 3.23
Re: Drivetrain Limitations?
1/8th mile for sure. It's just a pretty low standard goal. But the track I go to requires your car to run faster than 10 to be able to get into some classes. So the goal is to break into the 9s in the 1/8th
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Car: 1986 Pontiac Trans Am WS6
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Transmission: TCI 725hp built 700R4
Axle/Gears: 94 Camaro 10 bolt. Posi 3.23
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Re: Drivetrain Limitations?
ah, gotcha. I was initially thinking that your username had something to do with wanting to one day run 9s in the quarter. yes, a nice mid-high 9 second 8th mile time is on par with what a "normal" TPI setup will do and with what your goal/plan for the rear end is. gotcha. good stuff.
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From: MI
Car: 1986 Pontiac Trans Am WS6
Engine: 383 Stroker
Transmission: TCI 725hp built 700R4
Axle/Gears: 94 Camaro 10 bolt. Posi 3.23
Re: Drivetrain Limitations?
ah, gotcha. I was initially thinking that your username had something to do with wanting to one day run 9s in the quarter. yes, a nice mid-high 9 second 8th mile time is on par with what a "normal" TPI setup will do and with what your goal/plan for the rear end is. gotcha. good stuff.
Any realistic hope of beating him? And if not nitrous sounds like a plan
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Car: 87 IROC L98
Engine: 588 Alcohol BBC
Transmission: Powerglide
Axle/Gears: Ford 9"/31 spline spool/4.86
Re: Drivetrain Limitations?
It gets expensive to run 9's in the 1/4. I know my car has an 8 second pass in it if I can ever get back to the track. It's a 100% drag car and not street legal.
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Car: 1986 Pontiac Trans Am WS6
Engine: 383 Stroker
Transmission: TCI 725hp built 700R4
Axle/Gears: 94 Camaro 10 bolt. Posi 3.23
Re: Drivetrain Limitations?
Yeah maybe eventually I'll get there lol. But for now I got to drive it to school so I'll keep her loud and that'll be good enough
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Car: 1986 Pontiac Trans Am WS6
Engine: 383 Stroker
Transmission: TCI 725hp built 700R4
Axle/Gears: 94 Camaro 10 bolt. Posi 3.23
Re: Drivetrain Limitations?
Welp, Ive made the discovery of my rear end today. I realized that its a 9 bolt Borg and Warner so I don't think the diff will be the weak link anymore.
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From: Portland, OR
Car: 86 Imponte Ruiner 450GT, 91 Formula
Engine: 350 Vortec, FIRST TPI, 325 RWHP
Transmission: 700R4 3000 stall.
Axle/Gears: 9 Bolt Torsen 3.70
Re: Drivetrain Limitations?
The 9 bolt will hold up - get a Torsen from Australia, some 3.70 gears and a girdle cover for it.
Stock ratio on the 86 TPI Trans Am WS6 with the 9 bolt is 2.77 - terrible gear ratio.
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Stock ratio on the 86 TPI Trans Am WS6 with the 9 bolt is 2.77 - terrible gear ratio.
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From: South Ms
Car: 89 Firebird
Engine: 355 TBI
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 10 Bolt.Posi-3.73s
Re: Drivetrain Limitations?
My bone stock 91 305 auto car ran 9.40s in the 1/8 mile so your 383 should get you where you want for sure.
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Car: 1986 Pontiac Trans Am WS6
Engine: 383 Stroker
Transmission: TCI 725hp built 700R4
Axle/Gears: 94 Camaro 10 bolt. Posi 3.23
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From: MI
Car: 1986 Pontiac Trans Am WS6
Engine: 383 Stroker
Transmission: TCI 725hp built 700R4
Axle/Gears: 94 Camaro 10 bolt. Posi 3.23
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From: Manitoba
Car: '91 GTA
Engine: 421sbc
Transmission: Powerglide
Axle/Gears: Ford 9" with 3.89
Re: Drivetrain Limitations?
I got my stock 7.625 gm bolt with slicks to a 7.0 in the 1/8th(11.0 in the 1/4), for 2 runs, then it blew.
I welded the axle tubes and had a girdle, stock axles.
Ticking time bomb...
I welded the axle tubes and had a girdle, stock axles.
Ticking time bomb...
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