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Stop Legislation That Threatens Your Hobby! SOURCE: Summit Racing
Equipment RELEASE DATE: January 30, 2002
<http://www.summitracing.com/media/gl.../gl02_shim.gif> Akron, Ohio --
For years, the performance industry and enthusiasts like you have dealt with
government emissions and vehicle scrappage programs. They were intended to
help clean the air or improve fuel efficiency, but have often hurt our hobby
by restricting modifications or eliminating sources of parts. Thanks to
combined efforts by the industry and enthusiasts, many of these programs
have been successfully modified or repealed.
Now, new proposed U.S. government legislation threatens to take state
vehicle scrappage programs to the next level. U.S. Senate Bill S.1766
contains a provision (Section 803) that would allocate federal funds for
state scrappage programs for vehicles more than 15 years old.
Not only does that threaten the existence of 1960s and '70s era musclecars,
it also means Mustangs, Camaros, Grand Nationals, Corvettes, and other
performance vehicles made in the 1980s could also be fodder for the crusher.
What's worse, non-performance vehicles that are an invaluable resource for
engines, suspension components, and other parts would also be subject to the
program.
Summit Racing and others in the performance industry are working hard to
amend S.1766. But we can't do it without your help. Let your U.S. Senator
know how this legislation will directly affect you--print, sign, and mail
them a copy of our Legislator Letter . You can type in your Senator's name
and your name right on the letter. If you need the name and address of your
Senator, go to www.enjoythedrive.com for a list of legislators, plus
additional information on S.1766 and other legislation affecting our hobby.
Take a stand for your rights--write to your Senator today. Your hobby as you
know it may depend on it.
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This may not seem like much to some of you but it means a lot to me and a lot of others out there. This bill, if it were to pass, could eventually mean the end of all collector cars and even basic transportation of any automobile of 15 years of age or older. Finding cars and parts for collector cars of any type is already slowly becoming more and more difficult. With the approval of this bill it could mean the end of any further finds of rare, restoreable automobiles or parts cars. Many people out there are ignorant to the collector car hobby and the ultra-rare car they have tucked in their garage or out in their pasture may just be an old piece of junk in their eyes. With the approval of this bill it could give this person a gleam in their eye to turn this car over to be destroyed for some small bonus towards the purchase of a new car. The purpose of this bill and others like it would seem to be to lower polution levels by getting all the old worn out cars off the road but it will fail just like every other bill like it that has passed. The cars that are turned in for this bonus would not be ones that are out there being used but ones that are just sitting there waiting for some treasure-hunter to come across them and resurrect or recycle them. They are not creating any damage to the environment as they are. In fact, a bill like this could and probably would create more polution for the simple fact that used parts would be harder to find, causing an individual needing a certain parts to turn towards new parts. In some cases the individual would not perform the needed repairs for the increase in cost and therefore the vehicle would be driven as it was possibly creating more pollution. The individuals writing bills such as this surely have no idea how the real automotive world works or they would not do as they have done. Enforcing the laws already in place and updating such laws are the best way to accomplish this task. I have heard numerous accounts where an individual took their vehicle in for smog testing but failed from a smog part missing but passed for emissions. Upon re-installing the said part, the vehicle now passed the visual test for all parts being intact but now emitted more emissions but was passed because it met the requirements. As long as the emissions are below a level, what does it matter which parts are there and which are missing? The passing of section 803 of S.1766 would also allow the government that "foot in the door" they've been looking for and would lead the way for eventual extermination of any vehicle of the 15 year age they have set out as target. The fact is that a good many of these vehicles put out less emissions than the vehicles manufactured today. I have heard of numerous cars 20 and 30 years old passing emissions testing for a vehicle of less than 10 years old and yet it is considered a gas guzzler because of its age. Please, Please, Please, pass this on to everyone you know, print off copies and post them where you can, contact your senators and lets get this stopped before it gets ugly. Kyle Osterholt
Equipment RELEASE DATE: January 30, 2002
<http://www.summitracing.com/media/gl.../gl02_shim.gif> Akron, Ohio --
For years, the performance industry and enthusiasts like you have dealt with
government emissions and vehicle scrappage programs. They were intended to
help clean the air or improve fuel efficiency, but have often hurt our hobby
by restricting modifications or eliminating sources of parts. Thanks to
combined efforts by the industry and enthusiasts, many of these programs
have been successfully modified or repealed.
Now, new proposed U.S. government legislation threatens to take state
vehicle scrappage programs to the next level. U.S. Senate Bill S.1766
contains a provision (Section 803) that would allocate federal funds for
state scrappage programs for vehicles more than 15 years old.
Not only does that threaten the existence of 1960s and '70s era musclecars,
it also means Mustangs, Camaros, Grand Nationals, Corvettes, and other
performance vehicles made in the 1980s could also be fodder for the crusher.
What's worse, non-performance vehicles that are an invaluable resource for
engines, suspension components, and other parts would also be subject to the
program.
Summit Racing and others in the performance industry are working hard to
amend S.1766. But we can't do it without your help. Let your U.S. Senator
know how this legislation will directly affect you--print, sign, and mail
them a copy of our Legislator Letter . You can type in your Senator's name
and your name right on the letter. If you need the name and address of your
Senator, go to www.enjoythedrive.com for a list of legislators, plus
additional information on S.1766 and other legislation affecting our hobby.
Take a stand for your rights--write to your Senator today. Your hobby as you
know it may depend on it.
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This may not seem like much to some of you but it means a lot to me and a lot of others out there. This bill, if it were to pass, could eventually mean the end of all collector cars and even basic transportation of any automobile of 15 years of age or older. Finding cars and parts for collector cars of any type is already slowly becoming more and more difficult. With the approval of this bill it could mean the end of any further finds of rare, restoreable automobiles or parts cars. Many people out there are ignorant to the collector car hobby and the ultra-rare car they have tucked in their garage or out in their pasture may just be an old piece of junk in their eyes. With the approval of this bill it could give this person a gleam in their eye to turn this car over to be destroyed for some small bonus towards the purchase of a new car. The purpose of this bill and others like it would seem to be to lower polution levels by getting all the old worn out cars off the road but it will fail just like every other bill like it that has passed. The cars that are turned in for this bonus would not be ones that are out there being used but ones that are just sitting there waiting for some treasure-hunter to come across them and resurrect or recycle them. They are not creating any damage to the environment as they are. In fact, a bill like this could and probably would create more polution for the simple fact that used parts would be harder to find, causing an individual needing a certain parts to turn towards new parts. In some cases the individual would not perform the needed repairs for the increase in cost and therefore the vehicle would be driven as it was possibly creating more pollution. The individuals writing bills such as this surely have no idea how the real automotive world works or they would not do as they have done. Enforcing the laws already in place and updating such laws are the best way to accomplish this task. I have heard numerous accounts where an individual took their vehicle in for smog testing but failed from a smog part missing but passed for emissions. Upon re-installing the said part, the vehicle now passed the visual test for all parts being intact but now emitted more emissions but was passed because it met the requirements. As long as the emissions are below a level, what does it matter which parts are there and which are missing? The passing of section 803 of S.1766 would also allow the government that "foot in the door" they've been looking for and would lead the way for eventual extermination of any vehicle of the 15 year age they have set out as target. The fact is that a good many of these vehicles put out less emissions than the vehicles manufactured today. I have heard of numerous cars 20 and 30 years old passing emissions testing for a vehicle of less than 10 years old and yet it is considered a gas guzzler because of its age. Please, Please, Please, pass this on to everyone you know, print off copies and post them where you can, contact your senators and lets get this stopped before it gets ugly. Kyle Osterholt
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This was already discussed in a few posts down. I didn't read all you wrote, it doesn't mean they'll just take your car, but will likely pay you to take a car that looks like it's in junkyard conditions.
Thats scary!
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Originally posted by rocky383
They can take my IROC when they pry it from my cold dead ***.
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They can take my IROC when they pry it from my cold dead ***.
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Originally posted by 85_ZED28
I'm glad I live in Canada
I'm glad I live in Canada
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Just kidding.
Seriously.. they can't just take your car. This will just junk cars older than 15 years old that are wrecked or not salvage-able, which means less parts for us, but that's about it.
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Arguments against this bill:
1) Many Americans drive vehicles over 15 years old or older.
2) This will come from tax dollars. Do <B><I>YOU</B></I> really want to pay for someone else's new car? I mean, think of all the homeless families and starving children out there!
3) Most cars over 15 years old are at the point of a) salvage yard or b) engine rebuild. Surely a brand new engine will not pollute as bad as a stock engine.
4) Think of all the dreams of the car collectors, racers, and enthusists (sp?) you'll crush. Do you <B><I>really</I></B> feel like crushing someone's dream?
5) Think of all the hard working Americans who will not be able to afford a new or used car.
2) This will come from tax dollars. Do <B><I>YOU</B></I> really want to pay for someone else's new car? I mean, think of all the homeless families and starving children out there!
3) Most cars over 15 years old are at the point of a) salvage yard or b) engine rebuild. Surely a brand new engine will not pollute as bad as a stock engine.
4) Think of all the dreams of the car collectors, racers, and enthusists (sp?) you'll crush. Do you <B><I>really</I></B> feel like crushing someone's dream?
5) Think of all the hard working Americans who will not be able to afford a new or used car.
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Flaw in this statement:
Originally posted by snakeskinner
In fact, a bill like this could and probably would create more polution for the simple fact that used parts would be harder to find, causing an individual needing a certain parts to turn towards new parts. In some cases the individual would not perform the needed repairs for the increase in cost and therefore the vehicle would be driven as it was possibly creating more pollution.
In fact, a bill like this could and probably would create more polution for the simple fact that used parts would be harder to find, causing an individual needing a certain parts to turn towards new parts. In some cases the individual would not perform the needed repairs for the increase in cost and therefore the vehicle would be driven as it was possibly creating more pollution.
There will be no cars over 15 years old period.
Here's another good point:
Auto part makers will not be able to sell their parts. Think of the economic slump we will face!
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right, they can't take your car but let's say Old lady Beatrice has a 69 camaro COPO out in her barn that was her son's before he was killed in Vietnam but she's just left the old car out there because it's "not worth anything" and it's not in the way. Well, she's been eyeing that new Park Avenue on the car lot this last week and she see's this new "bonus" the government is giving her so she calls and applies to have this old piece of junk hauled out of her barn and they hand her a credit for $1000 towards that new Park Avenue. So she signs it over. Well, Smash goes the COPO and in rolls the new Park Avenue. Ok next scenario. Bubba bought this 91 Camaro from the local car dealer who bought the car at the auction painted with a maaco black paintjob and the motor was trashed. the bumpers were scraped and the interior worn out and it had holes plugged in the a-pillers. Bubba bought the car for $1500 from the dealer and just drove it. He never changed the oil and it started knocking. Well, the government will give him $800 for his car. He thinks, well it has no air conditioning, Kraco radio, tires are bald, holds in the a-pillars and the motor knocks. Well, crush goes that B4C police car that no one had the chance to ever find. Forget ever finding that 69 Judge convertible the little old lady has been driving since it was new and doesn't want to get rid of it because her husband is dead and she knows the car is reliable (true story, I know about this car). they won't force sales but if the people not in the know see this deal they are more likely to give up that car that is sitting in the backyard, never to be found by a collector.
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Then there's the guy(s) who drive the '83 Ford, that has no value, knocking, pinging, blowing smoke in you face as you sit behind them at the redlight.
He can't get a C-note for his car, but maybe the grand incentive get's the heap off the road and him into a new car.
There's two sides of all the story...my initial reaction is more POS's that are actually running on the road would get the crush, than '69 COPA's that are tucked away in the barn somewhere.
Heck, I'd bet there's a lot less rare cars tucked away these days than people think, especially with the internet...sure, not everyone has access to the 'Net and realizes what they have may be valuable, but I'm willing to bet that they know someone who does have access and finds that information.
He can't get a C-note for his car, but maybe the grand incentive get's the heap off the road and him into a new car.
There's two sides of all the story...my initial reaction is more POS's that are actually running on the road would get the crush, than '69 COPA's that are tucked away in the barn somewhere.
Heck, I'd bet there's a lot less rare cars tucked away these days than people think, especially with the internet...sure, not everyone has access to the 'Net and realizes what they have may be valuable, but I'm willing to bet that they know someone who does have access and finds that information.
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8Mike9, I’m sorry man, but I don’t want my tax money going to the “guy(s) who drive the ’83 Ford” so they can get a new (to them) ’89 Ford. For that matter, I don’t wont my money going to anyone for his or her car!!!!!!
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those are the cars that won't be traded in anyway. I doubt they'd give them anything for the car and they probably couldn't afford anything more anyhow. the ones that would be traded in would be ones parked in yards and driveways or maybe someone who inherited aunt gertrudes old cadillac.
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Here's some info...
Dug this up...keep in mind that the proposed bill includes the entire Energy Act of 2002...but here are the requirements:
If anyones interested you can read it yourself.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/...xrWFn:e198302:
If anyones interested you can read it yourself.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/...xrWFn:e198302:
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The fact:
SEC. 803. ASSISTANCE FOR STATE PROGRAMS TO RETIRE FUEL-INEFFICIENT MOTOR VEHICLES.
(a) ESTABLISHMENT- The Secretary shall establish a program, to be known as the `National Motor Vehicle Efficiency Improvement Program,' under which the Secretary shall provide grants to States to operate programs to offer owners of passenger automobiles and light-duty trucks manufactured in model years more than 15 years prior to the fiscal year in which appropriations are made under subsection (d) to provide financial incentives to scrap such automobiles and to replace them with automobiles with higher fuel efficiency.
(b) STATE PLAN- Not later than 180 days after the date of enactment of an appropriations act containing funds authorized under subsection (d), to be eligible to receive funds under the program, the Governor of a State shall submit to the Secretary a plan to carry out a program under this subtitle in that State.
(c) ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA- The Secretary shall approve a State plan and provide the funds under subsection (d), if the State plan--
(1) requires that all passenger automobiles and light-duty trucks turned in be scrapped;
(2) requires that all passenger automobiles and light-duty trucks turned in be currently registered in the State in order to be eligible;
(3) requires that all passenger automobiles and light-duty trucks turned in be operational at the time that they are turned in;
(4) restricts automobile owners (except not-for-profit organizations) from turning in more than one passenger automobile and one light-duty truck in a 12-month period;
(5) provides an appropriate payment to the person recycling the scrapped passenger
automobile or light-duty truck for each turned-in passenger automobile or light-duty truck;
(6) provides a minimum payment to the automobile owner for each passenger automobile and light-duty truck turned in; and
(7) provides, in addition to the payment under paragraph (6), an additional credit that may be redeemed by the owner of the turned-in passenger automobile or light-duty truck at the time of purchase of new fuel-efficient automobile.
(d) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS- There are hereby authorized to be appropriated to the Secretary to carry out this section such sums as may be necessary, to remain available until expended.
(e) ALLOCATION FORMULA- The amounts appropriated pursuant to subsection (d) shall be allocated among the States on the basis of the population of the States as contained in the most recent reliable census data available from the Bureau of the Census, Department of Commerce, for all States at the time that the Secretary needs to compute shares under this subsection.
(f) DEFINITIONS- In this section:
(1) AUTOMOBILE- The term `automobile' has the meaning given such term in section 32901(3) of title 49, United States Code.
(2) Fuel-efficient automobile-
(A) The term `fuel-efficient automobile' means a passenger automobile or a light-duty truck that has an average fuel economy greater than the average fuel economy standard prescribed pursuant to section 32902 of title 49, United States Code, or other law, applicable to such passenger automobile or light-duty truck.
(B) The term `average fuel economy' has the meaning given such term in section 32901(5) of title 49, United States Code.
(C) The term `average fuel economy standard' has the meaning given such term in section 32901(6) of title 49, United States Code.
(D) The term `fuel economy' has the meaning given such term in section 32901(10) of title 49, United States Code.
(3) LIGHT-DUTY TRUCK- The term `light-duty truck' means an automobile that is not a passenger automobile. Such term shall include a pickup truck, a van, or a four-wheel-drive general utility vehicle, as those terms are defined in section 600.002-85 of title 40, Code of Federal Regulations.
(4) PASSENGER AUTOMOBILE- The term `passenger automobile' has the meaning given such term by section 32901(16) of title 49, United States Code.
(5) SECRETARY- The term `Secretary' means the Secretary of Energy.
(6) STATE- The term `State' means any of the several States and the District of Columbia
(a) ESTABLISHMENT- The Secretary shall establish a program, to be known as the `National Motor Vehicle Efficiency Improvement Program,' under which the Secretary shall provide grants to States to operate programs to offer owners of passenger automobiles and light-duty trucks manufactured in model years more than 15 years prior to the fiscal year in which appropriations are made under subsection (d) to provide financial incentives to scrap such automobiles and to replace them with automobiles with higher fuel efficiency.
(b) STATE PLAN- Not later than 180 days after the date of enactment of an appropriations act containing funds authorized under subsection (d), to be eligible to receive funds under the program, the Governor of a State shall submit to the Secretary a plan to carry out a program under this subtitle in that State.
(c) ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA- The Secretary shall approve a State plan and provide the funds under subsection (d), if the State plan--
(1) requires that all passenger automobiles and light-duty trucks turned in be scrapped;
(2) requires that all passenger automobiles and light-duty trucks turned in be currently registered in the State in order to be eligible;
(3) requires that all passenger automobiles and light-duty trucks turned in be operational at the time that they are turned in;
(4) restricts automobile owners (except not-for-profit organizations) from turning in more than one passenger automobile and one light-duty truck in a 12-month period;
(5) provides an appropriate payment to the person recycling the scrapped passenger
automobile or light-duty truck for each turned-in passenger automobile or light-duty truck;
(6) provides a minimum payment to the automobile owner for each passenger automobile and light-duty truck turned in; and
(7) provides, in addition to the payment under paragraph (6), an additional credit that may be redeemed by the owner of the turned-in passenger automobile or light-duty truck at the time of purchase of new fuel-efficient automobile.
(d) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS- There are hereby authorized to be appropriated to the Secretary to carry out this section such sums as may be necessary, to remain available until expended.
(e) ALLOCATION FORMULA- The amounts appropriated pursuant to subsection (d) shall be allocated among the States on the basis of the population of the States as contained in the most recent reliable census data available from the Bureau of the Census, Department of Commerce, for all States at the time that the Secretary needs to compute shares under this subsection.
(f) DEFINITIONS- In this section:
(1) AUTOMOBILE- The term `automobile' has the meaning given such term in section 32901(3) of title 49, United States Code.
(2) Fuel-efficient automobile-
(A) The term `fuel-efficient automobile' means a passenger automobile or a light-duty truck that has an average fuel economy greater than the average fuel economy standard prescribed pursuant to section 32902 of title 49, United States Code, or other law, applicable to such passenger automobile or light-duty truck.
(B) The term `average fuel economy' has the meaning given such term in section 32901(5) of title 49, United States Code.
(C) The term `average fuel economy standard' has the meaning given such term in section 32901(6) of title 49, United States Code.
(D) The term `fuel economy' has the meaning given such term in section 32901(10) of title 49, United States Code.
(3) LIGHT-DUTY TRUCK- The term `light-duty truck' means an automobile that is not a passenger automobile. Such term shall include a pickup truck, a van, or a four-wheel-drive general utility vehicle, as those terms are defined in section 600.002-85 of title 40, Code of Federal Regulations.
(4) PASSENGER AUTOMOBILE- The term `passenger automobile' has the meaning given such term by section 32901(16) of title 49, United States Code.
(5) SECRETARY- The term `Secretary' means the Secretary of Energy.
(6) STATE- The term `State' means any of the several States and the District of Columbia
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Lool out!
(c) ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA- The Secretary shall approve a State plan and provide the funds under subsection (d), if the State plan--
(1) requires that all passenger automobiles and light-duty trucks turned in be scrapped;
(2) requires that all passenger automobiles and light-duty trucks turned in be currently registered in the State in order to be eligible;
(3) requires that all passenger automobiles and light-duty trucks turned in be operational at the time that they are turned in;
(4) restricts automobile owners (except not-for-profit organizations) from turning in more than one passenger automobile and one light-duty truck in a 12-month period;
(5) provides an appropriate payment to the person recycling the scrapped passenger
automobile or light-duty truck for each turned-in passenger automobile or light-duty truck;
(6) provides a minimum payment to the automobile owner for each passenger automobile and light-duty truck turned in; and
(7) provides, in addition to the payment under paragraph (6), an additional credit that may be redeemed by the owner of the turned-in passenger automobile or light-duty truck at the time of purchase of new fuel-efficient automobile.
Put that in order with number 1.
The Secretary shall approve a State plan and provide the funds under subsection (d), if the State plan requires that all passenger automobiles and light-duty trucks turned in be scrapped.
This means <B><I>THEY WILL HAVE</i></b> the right to take away your car if it is over 15 years old. Though this will depend state from state. Most likely, California will adopt policy number 1.
(1) requires that all passenger automobiles and light-duty trucks turned in be scrapped;
(2) requires that all passenger automobiles and light-duty trucks turned in be currently registered in the State in order to be eligible;
(3) requires that all passenger automobiles and light-duty trucks turned in be operational at the time that they are turned in;
(4) restricts automobile owners (except not-for-profit organizations) from turning in more than one passenger automobile and one light-duty truck in a 12-month period;
(5) provides an appropriate payment to the person recycling the scrapped passenger
automobile or light-duty truck for each turned-in passenger automobile or light-duty truck;
(6) provides a minimum payment to the automobile owner for each passenger automobile and light-duty truck turned in; and
(7) provides, in addition to the payment under paragraph (6), an additional credit that may be redeemed by the owner of the turned-in passenger automobile or light-duty truck at the time of purchase of new fuel-efficient automobile.
Put that in order with number 1.
The Secretary shall approve a State plan and provide the funds under subsection (d), if the State plan requires that all passenger automobiles and light-duty trucks turned in be scrapped.
This means <B><I>THEY WILL HAVE</i></b> the right to take away your car if it is over 15 years old. Though this will depend state from state. Most likely, California will adopt policy number 1.
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I think that the good would outweigh the bad- mainly getting heaps off the road. The odds of finding the cheap GN or COPO is damn low. If we do not have to sell, fine. Using EPA fines to buy off derelict cars is not a bad idea.
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Re: The fact:
Originally posted by 92RSB4C
'National Motor Vehicle Efficiency Improvement Program,' under which the Secretary shall provide grants to States to operate programs to offer owners of passenger automobiles and light-duty trucks manufactured in model years more than 15 years prior to the fiscal year ... to provide financial incentives to scrap such automobiles and to replace them with automobiles with higher fuel efficiency.
'National Motor Vehicle Efficiency Improvement Program,' under which the Secretary shall provide grants to States to operate programs to offer owners of passenger automobiles and light-duty trucks manufactured in model years more than 15 years prior to the fiscal year ... to provide financial incentives to scrap such automobiles and to replace them with automobiles with higher fuel efficiency.
Geez! :lala:
-Matt
EDIT: 92RSB4C that part where is says "They will take your car" is the criteria to get the incentive. Not if you don't plan on giving it to the gov't.
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The Secretary shall approve a State plan and provide the funds under subsection (d), if the State plan requires that all passenger automobiles and light-duty trucks turned in be scrapped.
This means THEY WILL HAVE the right to take away your car if it is over 15 years old. Though this will depend state from state. Most likely, California will adopt policy number 1.
Read carefully!! I DOESN'T say that ALL cars or trucks over 15 years old WILL be scrapped. It say that ALL cars WILLFULLY TURNED IN will be scrapped and not end up as someone else's new project car.
This means THEY WILL HAVE the right to take away your car if it is over 15 years old. Though this will depend state from state. Most likely, California will adopt policy number 1.
Read carefully!! I DOESN'T say that ALL cars or trucks over 15 years old WILL be scrapped. It say that ALL cars WILLFULLY TURNED IN will be scrapped and not end up as someone else's new project car.
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