This guy has got a bone stock t-type with an aftermarket turbo. He's been talkin smack about my SS for a while now. I've decided to go ahead and run him.

What did the stock t-type turn to the wheels on HP and what do you think it could turn with a turbo upgrade. He's running everything else factory to include his intercooler. I'm going after him tomorrow morning so any help would be appreciated. I'm pretty familiar with the GN's but no t-type history.

What bothers me is that the turbo cars are so damn unpredictable. He's never raced an SS but swears one can't beat him. He's supposedly never turned better than a 13.6 but he could be ****tin me since he wants to run for the 50 bucks. Everyone else that works with him and knows my car says I'll toast him, but like I said the unpredictable thing bothers me.

Whatcha think?

Sorry it's not about the third gen but he knows better than to talk about my twin turbo..........even if it's not finished yet.

I turn a consistant 13.1 with the SS

 

Well he could easily spin the boost way up and be pumpin out more hp's than you. So I would be very careful.

250hp stock for intercooled, GN's are the same as T-Type's (drivetrain wise)

 

Was that 250 to the wheels? What kind of HP do you think he could get on the factory motor...........I'm turning 331 at the wheels.

 

Whoops, I think only the TTA was 250hp stock. Normal T-Types were only 230hp and 330tq. Can someone verify?

Stock Hot Rod tested it at 210rwhp (w/the 230hp). I'm pretty sure the stock bottom end can withstand 20lbs, but that's with higher octane fuel (commonly used is race gas)

There's plenty TR guys on here and they could help you better than I can.

 

You probably have a few more ponies than him, but he's got you beat in the torque department for sure. If he's just got a larger turbo and IS bone stock, you should take him. Chip,adj. wastegate, and a few other things you can and cannot see and it will be a good race.

 

A regal T-type? Wow, my friend has one...Are you sure it isn't a Grand National? Almost the same thing. I heard they are damn rare.

" He's running everything else factory to include his intercooler"...
I'm not sure exactly what you meant by that- if he's added it or not. As far as I know, the T- type didn't come with an intercooler.
The national did though...maybe I'm wrong.?!
P.S. Make sure it isn't a GTX. Those will hurt the TTA I was told.

 

If it is a T-Type its prolly a 86, last year of the t-type, stock hp is 235 with 330 tourqe. You said he has a aftermarket turbo so that means you might get a bad beat down, the most common upgrade in TR turbos is the TE-34 which is the next step up, they can handle up to 530hp, has a 56mm compressor wheel and flows at 785 cfm, et potential of high 11's. Also the T-Type's weighs less tham the GN so you have to consider that too. I know this cause like i said before my dad has a 87 Turbo T, weighs the same as the T-Type (lighter than GN too) and he also purchased the TE-34 Turbo upgrade (plans for a TE-44 turbo in future capable of 580hp), so all i can say to u is good luck
Also 87GTA the 86 T-Type did include the intercooler and is a kinda rare car with only 2,384 produced in 86, oh yea 87GTA i think you are refering to the GNX not the GTX that can beat the TTA

 

GNX...nice catch!

 

The 86 T-Type was intercooled. They made roughly 3000 of them. My friend had one til it was stolen and he let it go after it was recovered.

 

NOT!!


BTW your likely to get whipped bad, anyone who goes to turbo upgrade usually means alot of other hidden mods to compliment the turbo, expect the car to run mid 12's. If you can run that your proabbly make a good race of it, if you cant then lower the bet.

Phil

 

Well guys

We went best out of three.

First race I literally blew them off through three gears and almost wound up in the ditch. I caught him right at the 1/4. He was nice enough to agree to 2 out of 3.

Second race I realized the surface I was on and did the launch a little better. He jumped out two lengths right off the bat but I would catch him in the middle of second and by the end of the quarter I had him by two lengths.

The third race was exactly the same as the second.

Racing his car definately makes me want to finish my twin turbo. Hearing him boost up just sounded outrageous.

 

I dont understand why you said this. Are you saying a GNX can't beat a TTA? uhhhhh......

Sounds like a good race LIL QUIK. A boosted Buick 6 and a LS1 is always a good race.

 

Yea, I told him that if he was to swap out his factory intercooler for an aftermarket and get and a boost controller he would have know problem seeing mid 12's, which is what I was worried he was doing. You never can tell what those things are doing. As of right now he's pushing 14 psi. I would love to have one of those cars.

 

THATS EXACTLY what I am saying. I personally have video of 2 TTA's running FACTORY STOCK turbo class at the NMCA in 1991 that BOTH ran 12.70's on the original gatorbacks!!


Car Craft, December 1988-Volume 36 Number 12-pp. 94-95, 97
1989 20th Anniversary Pontiac Trans Am
0-60 5.4 sec, 1/4 mi 13.5@103 mph
"We feel its performance has set the high-water mark for the decade"


Car & Driver, June 1989
20th Anniversary Pontiac Trans Am
0-60 4.6 sec, 1/4 mi 13.4@101mph
"This is a car for muscle-car mavens, pure and simple."


Muscle Car Review, July 1989-pp. 24-26, 57-59
GNX vs. Turbo Trans Am Shootout: Boost -Bird vs. bad-to-the-bone Buick
Here's the lowdown on the article that everyone's been wondering about. Two individually owned cars, each untouched, with less than a 150 miles on them. Roy West brought the GNX and Lee Gorman brought his TTA. Both drivers also own other Buick turbo cars which are raced on a regular basis. After some warm-up, the cars stage for round one and the GNX takes a decisive win. Round two proves to be much closer but again the GNX takes the win by the narrowest of margins. But don't despair fellow TTA owners, read this quote from the end of the article: "By the time class racing rolled around, Lee Gordon had gotten the hang of launching the Pontiac. He rolled over the competition-including the GNX-to win his class."

 

Well it sounds like hes running stock boost, so he can go A LONG way from where he is with just a boost controller and a good chip.
The factory intercooler is plenty all the way into the 11's so he doesnt need that upgrade. He need to go to www.gnttype.org and then find the tech articles , they will tell him EXACTLY what to do to go deep into the 12's.


Good race!!

 

Oh, forgot to tell you..........Later he told me that he also has the chip and bigger injectors. Supposedly the previous owner had gotten the car to do 12.60's but this guy hasn't been able to achieve that yet. I'd be willing to bet that his car runs like a bat out hell on cold days. It probably help me out the fact that it was 90 degrees out when we raced.

 

With 14#'s, the stock boost, he play hell getting it in the 12's. If he had it set around 18-20 #, I don't think you would have caught him at the end. But heh that's his problem:lala:

 

they made t-types in 87. my buddy has one thats blue and it also has an intercooler. he also has an 87 gn.
Andrew

 

Well actually what your buddy has is a TURBO T, not a T-type. 86's were T -types, 87's were Turbo T's. Same thing but all the T guys will get in a huffy if you mix them up.

 

sounds like this guy with the T-Type was bull****ting you...you can get a STOCK turbo into low 12's with race gas and boost turned up to 22 psi and slicks...it's what i have done....all on STOCK stuff...injectors, intercooler....motor...etc....if he had a bigger turbo and injectors he should be running 11's if he was half as smart as a cat....oh well there's turbo buick owners out there that have no clue about these cars...

 

14 psi is what the stock turbo came set with from the factory.. if he's got a bigger turbo and injectors he can easily push well over 20 psi. Hell, I've got a stock turbo and injectors and I've got my boost set at 17 psi on street gas. I think he needs to check out the turbo buick web site and message boards and tune that car properly.

 

ahhh i see. so its like calling the 90 camaro an iroc and the 91 a z-28. same thing just different name/year. i never knew that. i'll have to call it a t-type now lol.
hey do you know where i can go to get instructions on alchol injection. he just got his kit in the mail but it didn't have instructions. i was just kinda curious because he's having one of the guys that has alchol injection help him with it so its not that big of a deal
thanks
Andrew

 

Check out these sites for details on the alky install..

www.gnttype.org
www.turbobuick.com
www.turbobuicks.com

 

ok, the TType owner is a f'in moron

#1 if you upgrade the turbo(usually to a TE-44 or something like that) and run stock injectors you're retarded(usually blue tops or MSD 50's are upgraded)

#2 i personally know someone that has run high 11's on stock turbo injectors IC and stock motor in general(11.95@112.5 1.62 60' time)

#3 an aftermarket/bigger IC isn't needed for 11's.

Anyone that buys a bigger turbo and only runs 14#'s is either A)retarded or B) running stock 28# injectors(refer to A )