How does a 4th gen Camaro compare to a 4th gen Trans-am or firebird? I know that they are the same basic car, but is one really better than the other? And how do they compare to a new Mustang? I know this isn't 3rd gen related but I'm trying to settle an arguement with a future mustang owner. (I'm also thinking about changing my name to T/ABOY if you get my drift) Love my IROC but 4th gen T/A starting to grow on me.

 

The difference is looks pretty much. In the 4th Gen they became more of the same car more than before or any other Gen, although I think the TA was still heavier than the top Camaro as usual.

My overall opinion though: Mod your IROC-Z and stay with the Third Gen.

 

I'd like to mod my IROC but since it is a pure 1990 IROC-Z I don't want to ruin it, plus the LB9 is becoming dated and parts to enhance them are harder to find than LT1 parts. I love my IROC but I don't see myself keeping it very stock if I hang onto it. A 4th gen T/A would have no bearing on me and I would be free to modify.

 

I might be biased a little but I say get a 4th gen TA preferably 98-up. I had a 96 which was cool but the 2000 is a wolrd apart as far as performance.
Keep the IROC too I still like mine and I'm gonna hang on to it.

 

The 4th gen TA's are awesome. One of the best looking cars on the road IMO. The Camaro's don't do much at all for me though. Stock for stock, the LT1 and the 99+ GT's are neck and neck, but the LS1's are a whole lot faster than the GT's.

 

Ah, I can see not wanting to mod that car since there weren't many. Buy the other car and keep that 1.

 

Are the LS1 and LT1 THAT much different, other than a few more horsepower I don't see a whole lot of difference, they aren't that far apart in horsepower.

 

LS1's=low 13's
LT4's=high 13's
LT1's=Mid 14's
I'm sure it wouldn't take alot to get an LT1 running like an LS1 ,If you know how to drive,tune ,and play around with a car its pretty simple to knock 1/2 a second off thease cars ,but yeah there is a difference ,any 4th gen is a good car.

 

The hp difference is more than what gm said. LS1's are totally underated. Mine is supposed to be 305 and it dynoed 307 at the rear wheels with only the small mods listed in the sig. The 96 I had was a LT1 (of course) A4 with a 3.23 gear and the best I got out of it was a 14.27@98 compraed to what my 2000 ran. Don't get me wrong as I did like the 96 and I'm sure you'll like it too but to me I like the 2000 alot more. Another thing I can't figure is alot of people say the LT1's are quicker off the line but the 60ft (track) 330ft (track) and 0-60 (gtech) times were all faster with my LS1. If you get a good deal on a LT1 by all means get it but if you have the money to spend I think you'll like a 98up better. Good luck in whichever you get.

 

I heard that a 1993-1997 T/A will run low 13s. And as far as LS1 vs. LT1 I would deffinetly mod the LT1.

 

Not stock they won't. Someone must've meant low 14's
Mine might've run a 14.0? or even a very high 13 with cooler air and maybe some dr's but there's no way any stock lt1's gonna run low 13's

 

I don't even remember who told me that so you're probably right. That doesn't matter to me though I just want a solid car that I can start fresh with. My IROC is sweet but it "feels like somebody loosened every bolt one turn in the car, it has that loose feeling like the car had the hell beat out of it for about a year". I bought it from a college kid who didn't know (or care) what he had so it was probably abused quite often.

 

i dont thik the LT1 fbodies are all that great of an improvement over the 3rdgen TPI cars. for instance, my brother raced a 96-97 Trans Am 6speed with flowmaster cat back exhaust in his 91' Vette (stock TPI auto). killed him by 3-4 car lengths at least. if your gonna get a 4th gen, go LS1

 

I agree. That stinks the IROC-Z wasn't taken care of like it should have been.

 

the only real changes were reverse coolant flow and the optispark. there were minor changes like intake bolts and blah blah but nothing more major.
Andrew

 

I've seen 2 bone stock 96 M6 Trans Ams run 13.6 and an A4 with 3.73 run a 13.6 as well. (these were club members of our local Trans Am Club)

Mid 14's are maybe on a 93-95 LT1 A4 with 2.73 gears.

My brothers 96 T/A M6 with headers and bolt on's ran a 13.4 @ 105mph, stock 3.42 gears. Had 113K miles on it when we took it to the track. It dynos 290RWHP and 317RWTQ.

 

The 4th gen Camaro and Firebird are exactly the same car, except for looks. I prefer the 4th gen Trans Am (Thats why I bought one ). The new WS6 is one of the baddest and meanest looking cars out with the double Ram-Air hood!!!! I think that the LS1 Camaro's look alot better than the LT1 Camaro's too cause of the headlights. I just want me a Black WS6

 

If you are even thinking about getting a 4th gen, save for the LS1. You wont be dissapointed. All the regular bolt ons = high 11's/low 12's, where on a LT1 all the bolt ons = mid/high 12's.

But Im with Dano on this one...Buy the T/A

 

Yes, Very Different. The LS1 is completely new block design compared to the LT1 which used the original block design dating back about a half century. The LS1 is a breakthrough in emissions legal power, IMO this engine will carry us into a new age of performance. You should read about this engine, it is quite interesting.

 

See, I'm not terribly worried about the car being some kind of reveloution (not being a dick) but I like the Idea of either a Trans-AM from 1996 or up, or a Camaro SS from 1997 up. If I get the LT1 (Trans-AM) fine, they are sweet. But If I get the Camaro SS they are sweet too. I just want a farirly new car that a Monte Carlo, or a Grand Prix GTP, or a honda Civic can't keep up with. (not that they can now but I'd like to widen the gap by about 100 car lengths)

 

Actually, a LT4 is faster than a LS1. I learned that at this website, i'll go look the thread up where it was said
Here is one- https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...&highlight=lt4
Here is another http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zerothread?id=175134
I would post more, but i have to go

 

a LT4 is about equal to an early LS1. they upgraded the LS1 in 2001, and that version would take a LT4. im comparing these 2 engins as installed in Corvettes, as they didnt make enough LT4 fbodies to do an acurate comparison

 

Who cares?

We all haul @ss! Its like comparing a 98mph fastball to a 99mph fastball when you are standing in the batters box.

IMO there arent enough LT4's on the street...and those that are, are babied and not raced because they are rare.

-Doug

 

My LT4 will be driven hard, the way it was meant to be driven.

 

An LT4 is just an LT1 with better heads, cam, and intake. Wouldn't comparing it to an LS1 be like apples to oranges? The LS6 would be a better choice to compare to the LT4, since it's basically an LS1 with better heads, cam, and intake. Either way they both kick *** and I love them all from the lowly L03 all the way up to the LS6. GM V8's all kick A$$ in my book.

 

:rockon:

 

Amen.