So I'm heading east on a street (keeping them to myself to prevent any tattle tales since its flooded with cops already) and I see this 93-97 LT1. We come to the red light (tires arent warm) and I ask my buddy to look over and see if his tails are on, it turns out they aren't. Great I said, thats 275hp + 3.42s, I figured I'd be easy pickens...light turns green and I look over he looks and we both ease into it until at about same time we punch it hard and I spin through first (stupid Nittos need to be warm) but I grabbed 2nd hard and my car jumped 1/2 car on him and it was pretty dead even. So we goto this place where there are no cars, just trees...on 3 we go and the ****ing tires are cold again but I said **** it and with a little throttle play and clutch play (that smell is so horrifying) I was able to stay about a quarter panel behind...knowing that my car pulls like **** in 3rd I knew 2nd was my only hope...I grab 2nd pull a little and then 3rd came and he started easing away. By 4th I looked at my speedo it was at 94mph (little less than a 1/4 mile trap for me) and he had me by a car and a 1/2. We talked afterwards and he had a catback, k&n, and timing i believe. Good race tho, and the guy was really cool about it. He kept insisting i had a 350 until for the 3rd time my buddy chimed in and said it was a 305 also. I think with a/c delete, smog removed, cats gutted, pulleys (ordered), afpr (ordered), chip (ordered) I should have no probby beating him. Now if i can toss this ****ty TPI 3rd wouldnt fall on its face and Id be quicker. He said his car ran high 13s so that would make me about 14.1???

 

NO WAY would a 305 camaro pull a 14.1 Yes removeing ac will lighten up your car by at most 60lbs and if you gut your cat and get rid of you egr vaulve and remove allsmog you might be able to get 5or 6hp gains out of it. You might be low 15's very high 14's if you can work it right. Was his car a stick or auto? If it is stick he could have sucked at it and that is why he only beat you by a car length. Or he wasnt going all out because he knew you would lose. But a race is a race so good job i guess?

 

Well the name of the topic was 6spd 96 LT1 vs My 305!!!
so i am going to make a wild guess and say the car was a 6 speed. And you dont know what mods he has on his 305 so you cant say that he is only goin to run a low 15 to hi 14. Dont diss someones car unless you know what hes got.

 

what the hell does "checking to see if he had his tails on" mean and how did you determine that the car had 3.42s by looking at it?

 

I think what he meant is since his tail lights weren't on it must have been a stick car cause it was just sitting there. The LT1 stick cars had 3.42 gears. Am I right?

 

From going by what he had in his sig. No mods. Than it would not run a 14.1 And some people suck at stick like i saw once in hot rod mag how a suck driver only got a 13.9 out of his LS1! Stick can make or break you!! Like I said i was just going by what he had in his sig.

 

I think that would be a logical answer. But do you stay on the clutch at a light? I know I don't. ANd I don't know anybody that does. That's a waste of the clutch. So I don't see why you checked his tailights for that unless that tells the difference between the 96 -97 T/A's from the earlier ones with only 275 horses. I know on camaro's, you could tell by the yellow piece on the tailight if it was a 97. So do you have a list of your mods? I know you have the g92 option. Didn't your sig used to say you ran a 14.4? If you really ran that time, you could hang with an LT1 for a bit. But he should have been killing you a lot more. Me and my friends 95 z28 have never lost to a thirdgen yet. Never even been close. Even smoked a formula 350! Couple of irocs, and beat to crap teal RS! Well anyway, I think you should list some mods before everyone starts to call bs on you. Nice run!

 

If you had an L98 that has a little more torque than an LT-1 so it would be very close. But without seeing your mods, I guess iam gunna have to take your word for it.

 

I don't stay on the brakes if i'm at a light where it is flat and I won't roll. And i certainly don't race going uphill, so why not check his lights.

 

so what does the tail light means i dont get it. and can we put lt1s in our third gens how about ls6 i want a vette engine in my car

 

Well then, you're a retard. What if someone were to hit you from behind? You would roll out into oncoming traffic and probably be hit again and killed. Not to mention if you were behind someone, all someone has to do is tap you and you crash into the guy in front of you. That's double damage that could have probably been prevented if you would hold your damn brakes. And also, if you weren't paying too much attention on a road you THOUGHT was flat, you could start rolling out into oncoming traffic, or into the person in front of you. Checking brakelights is a good way to tell I guess, if there were more people like you.

 

Yes, the LT1 swap has been done PLENTY of times. Check the motor swap board. There have been a few people who have swapped in the LS1. I don't think anyone has swapped in the LS6 yet, at least not anybody on this board! I would love to do an LT1 swap sometime in the future when I'm out of college!
The L98 might have a wee bit more low end torque but that little bit won't make up for the 30 to 40 hp difference. The fastest I have seen a thirdgen 350 (stock) run stock is a 14.6. The fastest LT1 was a 14 flat. I know it doesn't sound like a lot but over a half second ahead is a quite a few lengths ahead.

 

Your car stock is capable of mid 14s.

G92 5spd.

 

If I'm in my Stang (5spd) at a light, I don't stay on the brake.

Someone called Brett a retard, well, if the moron rearends me, it's not my fault he rearended me pushing me into another car.

 

Yeah, you're right elevario, I must be a retard. I guess because I've only been driving for three years I'm not the almighty Mr. know it all best driver you are. I was simply trying to prove a point as to why he would look at the taillights. I see what you are saying about getting hit and that makes a lot of sense, but being called a retard is a little out of line don't you think? F*ck you too a$$hole.

 

Well I have seen a stock L98 beat a stock LT-1. But that was also because the kid in the LT-1 couldnt drive a stick. But the Kid in the L98 could so there you go. And i can definately see that this is not the friendliest board out there eh?:nono:

 

Hey! No need to get violent here! Sorry for calling you a retard but think of it this way. Say you're driving your 69 camaro that only has 10000 miles on it. You go to approach a light and all of a sudden, BAM! You slam into some fuc king idiot who wasn't paying attention and accidentally rolled out into traffic because he wasn't pushing his brakes. Great, you just totalled your vintage camaro because some dumbass wasn't taking safety precautions. Should I go into all the instances I stated? Yes, accidents do happen but MOST everyone of them is caused by driver ignorance. It's like getting ran into because a guy didn't use his blinker or check his blind spots before switching lanes. Sure you can do that in some instances but is it safe? How many times have you accidentally almost pulled into a lane you thought was empty, only to quickly swerve back because of that car that had been in your blind spot. See, wouldn't you like to protect other drivers and yourself (And nice car! ) by doing something VERY little to help prevent something catastrophic? It's a waste of lives and it can totally be avoided. Sorry again about the retard thing. Mark, I think you should push your brake as well at the light. Even though it would be the fault of the person who rearended you. What if he knocked you in front of a semi? Stupid way to die.

 

Oh and Brett, That is one hot girl in your sig man! :hail: :rockon:

 

This is a very nice friendly board. Just a friendly debate, that's all. Driver's skill does play a huge part in racing!

 

As I stated above, I totally understand what you are saying. I'm sorry to get in a flaming war with you, I just didn't appreciate being called a retard when I was simply trying to prove a point.

 

I understand what you're saying. An auto car would have to have on brake lights to be stopped. Unless they were broken. I usually don't say stuff like that but I have been in 3 accidents where the driver could have prevented it. I am really edgy about it. I should be a cop!

 

you spoke to soon son, i ran 14.4 @ 94mph stock and i put about $1000 more into including some Nitto555Rs, so yea high 13s is what I will run at the track, thx.

i checked the tail lights cuz i dont press on the clutch at lights but i dont leave it in first either...i dont really wanna list my mods considering there are some thirdgens from chicagostreetracing.net that post here and those are race $$$

Are you retarded??? there were 3 cars stationary behind me neway...and plus im sure by the time someone hit me i would press on the brakes...

[quoted]This is a very nice friendly board. Just a friendly debate, that's all. Driver's skill does play a huge part in racing![/quoted]

I'm pretty good driver (IMO) and he hung with me through first and I'm on nittos, he wasnt a bad driver i dont think. every auto 2.77 i raced i beat, before the nittos, now it would be a car...yea the 6 speeds have 3.42s, i was kinda surprised but then again the lt1 6 speeds run 13.8 - 14.0 then the autos are like 13.9-14.3. I ran a 14.4 @ 96mph w/2.2 60ft w/o the nittos, now with the nittos i dont burnout in first when they are hot. the fastest 3rd gens is the SD 305 TPI 5spd and the 90-92 L98 w/3.23s...G92 = L98 cam not the peanut cam.

 

stock L98 stick? "that's where you're wrong mox!!" never heard of a stock l98 with a stick. If I'm not mistaken there was never an l98 stick:lala:

 

I have seen MANY street races in my day.

And I believe EVERY word of this race. A LB9/5 speed cars run right around what the L98/auto's do, if driven well. LT1's arent all theyre cracked up to be.

For those who doubt...
Would you believe that a L98 lost to a LT1 by 1 and 1/2 lengths?

For the original poster,
Get some headers and kick some LT1 butt!! You wont be dissapointed.

And if anyone from chicago is interested in some racing, PM me and we'll find one for ya.

-Doug

 

ME 350tpi -90 3.23 aut mods k.n filter and chip
HE 350lt1 -94 3.42 6-speed mods borla catback,chip 160ther,kn


we ran almost 1/4 mile

OUTCOME: tie
If the track had been longer he would beat me for sure.......
i got little better start than him too........

stock i have 243hp and he has 285hp

 

First of all, that comment was in no way said to you. Certainly I'm not the retarded one. I doubt if someone were to hit you from behind while you totally unaware of it, you would be able to push the brakes in time to stop yourself from being in the middle of the intersection and possibly in the way of oncoming traffic . Your brain would not comprehend what was happening until it was WAY to late. Depending on how hard you were hit of course! If it was a tap, yes you would be able to stop. If a guy were going 30 or above, you would EASILY be knocked into the middle of the intersection before you could react. I know you said that there were 3 cars stopped behind you. So you probably don't really have to worry about getting hit, but if every one of those cars behind you does the same thing as you at a stop light and someone was to run into the person in back. Guess who's getting hit? Your car is way too nice to mess up due to driver ignorance.

 

"stock L98 stick? "that's where you're wrong mox!!" never heard of a stock l98 with a stick. If I'm not mistaken there was never an l98 stick"


Well the motor was stock. That is what i meant. It is modded now but not when he raced the Lt-1. He dropped in a 5 speed. So they were pretty evenly matched. It all depends on the driver. Driving is a skill not a gift.

 

a g92 305 tpi 5spd could easily pull a 14.1 w/mods, those cars stock should run mid-high 14's, you are thinking of the 305 tpi auto, which does low-mid 15's