There is a 91 eagle talon tsi for sale. It has new stainless steel exhaust new dunlop tires, and new koni shocks. It is 1300 or best offer. I am tihinking of getting it.

Are the tsi talons awd turbo. I know that some year they had a fwd turbo tsi. Is that only 1990? I perfer awd.

How will that car stand against my trans am?

It probably wouldn't even come close, right?

I don't know what they run, but I assume with awd I could clutch dump it at 5000 and still have traction.

Do you think it would even come close to my T/A.

 

That is a very sweet deal for a talon, especially if it is AWD. my last car was a talon, but watch for the check engine lights. They do require alot of maintence but if you are willing to do so they can be really fast. The other car that you mentioned in the signature, you bought for 1200 or whatever or you are selling?
Anywho the talon is a really nice car, and if you have anyquestions feel free to ask me or go to www.machv.com

 

That is a very sweet deal for a talon, especially if it is AWD. my last car was a talon, but watch for the check engine lights. They do require alot of maintence but if you are willing to do so they can be really fast. The other car that you mentioned in the signature, you bought for 1200 or whatever or you are selling?
Anywho the talon is a really nice car, and if you have anyquestions feel free to ask me or go to www.machv.com

 

Theres 2 dif TSI's theres the FWD turbo and the AWD turbo you can tell by the rims.... if its the AWD buy it!! if it the FWD buy it!!!! thats a Fuking great deal AWD or not

 

:sillylol: thats hilarious!

but anyway, thats a steal for that car if theres nothing wrong with it. if theres any kind of work needed, they are expensive to fix. if your 82' T/A is anywhere near stock (at best they are high 15sec cars) the Talon would destroy it. an AWD 5 speed is capable of high 14s stock

 

As everyone else is saying, that is a very good deal. They did come in the FWD or the AWD. Stock for stock there was not supposed to be a very big difference, but when it comes down to modding the AWD would turn out to be the beter of the two.

 

that is a great price!!
around my way they sell for about 2,500 to 3000 bucks but depends on the mileage and stuff

 

and you can make those cars pretty fast. i have ridden in one, and it was all modded with new exhaust, engine, intake, turbo and whatnot, and last time i checked he was getting 12s in the 1/4 with a bad reaction time.

later

andrew

 

reaction time has NOTHING to do with E/T. you could fall asleep at the tree and still run 12s. the clock doesnt start counting until your car moves

 

I called, the guy has pulled the drive shaft to make it fwd so it is cheaper. I say he is a stupid bastard. Why would some one do that. I am going to look at it tomorrow. I will report back with how fast it is. stay tuned.

 

if this car is a 5spd awd turbo then i can tell you exactly why he would do that, because the stock awd systems can handle much abuse at all. i have a lot of friends that own dsm's(thats the name of the company that makes the motors for these cars) and all of them have had problems with their awd systems, apparently if its an automatic tranny then they can handle a bit more. but im telling you right now, these cars are money pits, however they are really easy to soup up. if you have any questions about dsm's feel free to ask me

 

Ummm I have never really heard of DSM being called a money pit. I know that they are supposed to have notorious drivetrains, like the clutch. But if you are going to do a lot of heavy modding than you would probally want a heavier clutch anyways. That and the thermostats, or so my freind tells me. That is the only thing he had to replace on his Talon except for the tires, which were bald when he bought it.

 

trust me, i know these cars are money pits, i know of at least 15 people that have 1'st gen and 2nd gen dsm's and they all tell me they are money pits, because parts for these cars are almost non existant

 

and *** HELP YOU if you lunch a tranny on one, expect to pay at least $2k for one unless you can get a hookup...I know this from personal experience.....

 

what are you talking about the tranny can hold the power... the only real prob that they have thats big is that the crankwall gets messed up.

 

dude my friend has a 93 talon tsi awd that runs low 12's and he has already broken like 3 different drivetrain parts, these cars have major issues trust me

 

ha
there is a kid at my school who has an early 90's talon and he busted his tranny 5 times in 2 years and keeps on burning out his clutch
but they can be really fast cars especia;;y if there AWD turbo!

 

ok it looks to me like we have a VERY uneducated person here.(ahem 89rsIMPRTETR)
first of all,DSM is NOT a company that makes the motorsMitsubishi made the motors.DSM stands for Diamond Star Motors,a joint venture between Mitsu and Chrysler between 1990 and 1999(i think 99 )
second,they are NOT money pits.as with any high powered car,they can only take so much abuse.the trannies are a little on the fragile side if your used to a TH350,but if you take car of them and dont beat the hell outta them,they will last.i have 102xxx on mine,I would know
third,there is a safety recall on the Transfercase in the AWD models.most of them have a tendency to leak out of the u-joint on on the xfer case itself,causing wheel lock up,and possible injury or even death.get under the car and look for fluid around the rear of the transfer case where the driveshaft attaches.
now 1300 is a great deal for the car,but make sure that there arent any problems with it that make it a $1300 car.as someone said,they do go for around 2000-4000 bucks for a good 1st gen DSM.i bought mine for 2100 with 102xxx on it.all it really needs is the front rotors turned.and it was totally stock.so i got my chance to have fun with and learn about a whole new breed of cars.
sorry about the long post,but anything i see about DSM's here on 3GO kinda kets me excited,as im new to the DSM scene and want to let others know that these are truely great cars.
if you have ANY questions at all,feel free to PM or email me at racer9682@yahoo.com .and even better,visit www.dsmtalk.com .that is a board like 3GO,but obviously directed towards DSM's.good luck with getting it.you WONT be disappointed!!

 

the things ive heard to look out for is crankwalk, which is described in detail at dsmtalk.com, and synchros going out on the trannys, ive known 2people with them and they have all been screwed like that. A lot of it is that they are abused like most faster cars.

 

I went to look at it today. (class was less important)

I am not too impressed. It does have a killer exhaust. It has a cold air pipe for the turbo (a down pipe, right?) and a cold air intake for the car that is so close to the ground, I bet I would scrape it. It has a short throw shifter and leather. It is fwd because he put a new tranny converted it.

Couldn't I put the transfer case back on and make it awd again?

They say the computer is shot. I couldn't even get it to turn over. It would crank and crank forever, but no engine noise. Also the cover over the dual cam gears is gone. Is is okay to drive it like that?

What do you think. Fwd not running, and I don't know what is wrong with it. It is turbo, but with this guy he probably disconnected it because he didn't like the whine or something stupid like that.

NICE body, but needs paint though. Should I hold out for something else, perhaps one that runs to start off with?

 

this messeage is first directed at maroon91pos, if you knew anything about dsm's then you should know that rounding 15lbs of boost on you car right know is retarded if you have your stock exhaust on because it wont be big enough for all the extra boost to get out, secondly you have to be retarded for crushing your blowoff valve cause that causes all sorts of problems for these cars, so dude do yourself a favor and learn up about these cars first before you go flopping your mouth around like you know something k!:lala: and to phoney emailer, this car sounds like junk man, the dude that owns it is probably a moron and tampers with the car like crazy, if you computer is shot, it can cost a pretty penny to fix that. just do us all a favor and stickwith the good old thirdgens, as they dont suck as bad as dsm's

 

any one that has a dsm might want to read this
http://www.machv.com/ecu19891994.html

look on the car did it say gst or gsx i just have a hard time with some one makeing a awd car a fwd
if the computer is gone it woldn't turn over any way.
and all of them had short throw shifter
and if you did get a fwd and not a awd its still ok because the fwd is better from a roll then awd(less wight). awd is better from a stop.
but i wouldn't buy this one if its in bad sape look for a laser its the same car but most of the time they sell for less.

 

hah! thats hilarious just another problem with those cars that proves might point, ecu's frying, hmmmm thats a really good thing aint it but yah lasers are pretty decent for the price you for the price you pay for them. one suggestion to any1 who is thinking about buying theses cars, b4 you buy it bring it to a mechanic and have them check the turbo to see if there is any play in the turbine its self, and make sure it spins freely

 

First of all the crankwalk problem was primarily on the 5 speed 2G cars, oddly enough when they changed to the 7 bolt in mid-92 the 92-94 didn't have as much of a problem with it. The 2g has a 7 bolt engine with some slight machining inconsistancies or maybe it's the oiling hole or who the heck knows no one has found a definative answer as to what's up with the crank walk on 2gs. Basically don't worry about it if it's a 91. Secondly the DSM is one of the easiest cars to make fast for super cheap out there. Check out www.dsmtuners.com or dsm.org or dsmtalk.com and look at the go-fast recipies. $1000 or so and you have a 12 second car. Won't see that in a thirdgen without MAJOR internal engine work. If the guy pulled the driveshaft for some reason your transmission is probably shot. You can't just "drop the driveshaft" without having a little bit of a problem with the transfer case and probably the transmission. I'd keep looking for a new car. When you eventually do get a DSM though have the timing belt and balance shaft belt changed because if that goes you're looking at a bunch of money for getting your head rebuilt after the pistons bend all your valves due to the fact the car is an interference type engine... But don't let that scare you away from the DSM, they're fun little cars and you can suprise some arrogant moron who classes these cars with typical Honda crap

 

no DSM stopped production in 94 but eveeryone (including myself) consider the 2G's a DSM because of the engines being almost the same and all

 

I have to address a few points...

What do you mean it can't be made into fwd. They are all a transverse mounted engine. It is always a fwd, the transfer case puts power to the rear tires. He didn't hook the transfer case back up. It is probably broken, or has a leak.

There is no gst or gsx on an talon TSI, that is what TSI means...

The starter is engaging and turning over the engine, there is no combustion. That would happen without a computer....

They may all have a short throw shifter, but I doubt they all have an aftermarket short throw shifter.

No flame intended johnboy, but I wanted to point out you were wrong...



I think I am going to stick with my trans am. I just really want a standard. Maybe I can find a cheap 5 speed tranny and gather all the parts together.

 

are you sure dsm stopped production in 94?i mean they still did keep the talon around,which was a chrysler brand.i thought that the 2G cars were still considered DSM's.i know that the 3G eclipses arent DSM.those POS's!!! j/p

 

you cant forget eclipses...theyre still around... wasnt 95 the last year for TSi's?

 

dsm's were out from 1989 to 1999, and yes tsi went on until 99

 

i never siad you couldn't make a awd fwd i just said i don't see why some one would want to
i forgot you said it was a talon i was thinking eclipse i just got mixed up with the other guy talking about a eclipse.
you never said it was a aftermarket short throw shifter so how did i know i can't see the car from here.

http://ebay0.ipixmedia.com/abc/M28/_...bcbb/i-4_B.JPG is that what it looked like

 

While it's possible to make an awd an fwd what are the chances he did it right? It's not as simple as dropping the transfercase/drive shaft. You need new axles/hubs/rear not to mention a welded center diff, otherwise you're going to lose your cd and you'll have the same problem most of us with pre-85 cars have, shot differentials, except that the diffs on the dsms have a nasty tendancy to sieze. I'd be very careful buying a modded dsm because most people ghettoize their mods which makes reliability a total joke. If done right and not beat on constantly the cars can be as reliable as any other, but if you jerk it around and don't do what NEEDS to be done, such as timing belt, then you might as well just sign your bank account over to the parts guy or worse yet the mechanic cause it's going to be there constantly. The JDM transmission has a switch that allows it to be changed between awd and fwd FAIRLY easily, basically by disabling the transfer case, but otherwise it's going to damage something.

 

no 95 they stayed with the talon but stopped the laser and they started MMoA (mitsu motors of america) still had a bond with Chrysler till 99..... wait till this year they still have a bond with Chrysler the Eclipse, Stratus, Sebring are basicly the same car except the body style so theres still a bond just no turbo AWD

 

They also might be working together on a chrysler version of the new Lancer which might be used as a Neon replacement if you believe the mopar fan sites.