might get long

but today as I was getting on the freeway to come home a newer rouch mustang got on about 3 acrs ahead of me and we ended up both getting off at the same exit (20 miles later) so I was like cool mabye ill get him at some light or somethign. Well we end up ....side by side at a stop sign with no one ahead of us.

So I roll my window down and poke my head out...he diddent see me so I thought nothing was gonna happen......turs out his gf in the car saw me and must have said somethign like "I think this guy wants to race you.." cause he steps on it. Im caught off guard but not that much...it was porobobly negligible.

But anyway we were almost dead even for a while....i was ahead more as we started but he started to pull and my front left headlight was at his door when we let off at about 70 when we caught up with traffic.

I lost but it was still pretty cool ...Ill bet if my rear end wasent giving out I *could* have possibly beat him. I dunno if its worth that much or not.

What do those things run? Anyone know?

Nate

 

stage 1 and 2 roush's are just beautified gt's with some cosmetic and handling mods. the supercharged stage 3s are the one's to worry about. They run 12's. They're nice cars.

 

The Roush you raced sounds like a glorified GT! Pretty sad if you ask me, but some people like looks and handeling more than straight line acceleration!

 

me's like turns


but what does a roush look like as far as what they add on?

 

they have different front clips and rest of the body kit, a longer spoiler, and my personal fav the side exhaust. and don't hate me cuz i like the exhaust, i just think it looks sweet how its integrated into the side of the panel

 

here are some pics of the stage 3 vert

 

yea it had a big *** wing on it like that....when I saw it from a far I was like " o there goes a riced out mustang.....haha" It looked decent though. I definatly like the newer more "square" looking mustangs compated to the more round ones of the mid 90's

 

The Roush body kit is ok but I get a wood over a Saleen body kit. :hail:


Good kill BTW

 

That wing is smaller than the aero wing and the 4thgen wing so I would not call it a big *** wing. I'm not a big fan of post 93 Mustangs. The Roush stage 2 looks better than a stock looking GT IMO.

 

good run anyway!

 

me thinks it looks nice

just wish the wing didn't go out so far past the rear end

other then that looks really nice to my opinion



love the side exhuast


whats a seleen on a post 99 mustang look like

 

I don't know why anyone would pay so much for a glorified GT, especially a Roush or a Saleen. If I were dumb enough to buy a tuner car it would either be from Steeda or one of the Drag Pack Mustang's from Paul's High Performance.

 

I think most Tuner cars are overpriced. You could probably make a replica of that Stang and still have 15k to play around with.

 

Sad thing is that there are morons out there who pay those high dollar prices for gawdy body kits that serve no purpose other than to add extra weight.

Body kits are for ricers, mmmkay?

 

Some body kits like wide body kits allow the the use of much wider wheels than you could ordinarily put on a stock car. On cars with large intercooled turbos, a front end with a large grill helps to get as much air as possible to the intercoolers to reduce the probability of detonation. Unless you use a body kit for either of those applications, yes they do serve no purpose other than asthetics.

 

I think they look horrible!!!! The stock GT's look better, I am not into body kits at all, although I like the side pipes, but that is it. I raced a roush a little while back, Tpivette89 was in the car with me. It was from a stop, I didnt know if he was going to race or not, so I decided to launch it anyway. I pulled a good few lengths on him pretty quick, then I let off, thinking he wasn't racing. As soon as I let off, he flew by me going pretty fast , his exhaust was very LOUD! I guess they don't have too much low end, not like an L98, but im sure he would walk me on the topend. Nice run BTW, I think if you would have known he was racing you would have taken him.

 

I want a body kit


this way I can move up from a max of 225f/255r max tire width

I think I can go 255/275

that and it has a huge front end to help me get mnore aire for my intercooler

 

i think a mustang gt would look a lot better if it was lowered. the fender gap on them is like 3 inches. it makes them look kinda weird.

 

:hail: He is so smart

:sillylol:

 

Yea.......you're dumb alright, no question about that. Paul's is about the most high priced tuner that I know of. You go and buy **** from him.

Just for ONE example


'03 Cobra Cat/Back - This Bassani Cat/Black exhaust is designed for the '03 Cobra. It is a stainless steel system with straight flow-thru mufflers, 2-1/2" pipes and 4" polished tips. Adds 15 horsepower and 18 lb/ft of torque

Cost: $725

Wow, I got my Borla exhaust that is identical to this one for $499

 

devianb is right but most of those people that go out and buy body kits dont do it for the reasons he listed....they are just ****, , nic is right too, a lot ( not all ) are just morons who put money into useless body kits.....no need to be a smart ***

 

Airdams are functional too since they defelect air from the front tires and depending on how it is designed, creates downforce to prevent lifting at high speeds. I plan on adding an airdam to my Firebird because I want to close that gap between the bumper and the ground, but I won't be adding ground effects to the rest of the car.



I like wings and ground effects for purely asthetics, I'm just not into the extremes like many of the import body kits are based around.

 

It adds to the looks of a car! People come on. My body kit weighed a whopping 28lbs more than my stock bumpers. So its also pointless to buy a hood unless its functional? Obv none of you show your cars in car shows...

 

I think it is kind of silly, not pointless to put a cowl hood on a car that is not fast, like my 2.8l. If you have the speed to back up the hood then by all means put one on. Unless I can get my car to run in the 14's LOL, you won't see any kind of aggressive hood on my car.


I think the faster the car, the more acceptable it is to make it look that much agressive - you don't want to have all show and no go.

 

Actually I not only have shown my car a few times, but I have a trophy in a show with over 200 cars! Remember I have only showed it about 6-7 times and this is my 130,000 mile daily driver, with NO body kit, hood or wing!!! Body kits and hoods don't win shows, it is the quality of the car! Sorry, but body kits, besides a front chin spoiler for more air, serve no purpose but looks!

I agree that a Saleen and Roush are wastes of money. If I were going to buy any new car, it would have been a new LS1! That's right, as far as bang for buck, no Saleen, Roush, Paul's HP, or any other tuner can get you mid to low 13s for under 30,000!

 

not true


if that was so why do you see so many cars in the road racing tracks that had a wide body kit on the car


you think they do that stuff for looks?
they do it to get wider tires in the car and widen the car out a little bit rather then tubbing

I myself would like to do so and get a wide body kit for the car for the same reason.
I believe more in function over for though I would still ike to havea nice looking car I hate being limited to 225/40/17 tires

I want to be able to get around a 255-275 tire in there and not have to worry about rubbing during turns or when hitting a bump

also I would like a front air dam to help push air from under the car to around the car this way I get less lift and smoother flowing air

since I am going to be turbocharged soon and going to use a front mount intercooler I want to get a decent size nose piece in there to let more air into the intercooler also since the intercooler is going to block the radiator a little bit I think it would be good to have the extra airflow for that reason also

then comes the rear of the car... yeah I hate big wings, nor will I ever prolly need a huge wing... but I would like to have a larger size spoiler then what I have right now. the one I have right now is more or less a lip off the back of the car... maybe 6 inches long and sits maybe 1/4" off the top of the car.. the one I am looking at is only a tiny bit larger then that

don't forget about the rear difuser... maybe it doesn't do a lot but every little bit helps... and when I get themoney I plan on building a belly pan for the car as well again maybe not much difference but add things up I'm sure it helps


do you think you are going to see the belly pan... I doubt it ... the rear difuser ... only if yo uare looking


everything else is not for looks either but function

 

But how many of us talk about road racing. We almost always talk about drag racing, and in drag racing there are no wide body kits, or skirts! The only one in drag racing that makes sense is the chin spoiler! When drag racers want larger tires, they only want them on the drive wheels and will do mini tubs or full tubs!

 

the comment you made was way too simple

you made it sound as though body kits in a whole are pointless..... no matter on there use.

just b/c you don't do road racing doesn't mean they are useless
and some of us here do enjoy the turns

 

Totally 100% not true. The only reason Third gen owners here don't like body kits is because they don't make them for the F-body. Hell the ONLY kit that is made that looks half decent is that one that replaces the whole entire body and makes it look like a 800hp Ferrari and I have seen many Third gen owners say it looks bad ***. Same thing with those euro tail lights. Thrid gen owners will say they are pure ****. Make them for their car and watch how many buy it. I actually saw it happen with Fourth Gen guys. All you heard was **** **** **** before they came out and when they came out all you saw was "nice tail lights too!". Same reason you and Nic say body kits are pointless. They don't make them for your car. They make them for my car. Since I have got the Saleen body kit put on I have 2 local trophys and a trophy for best show at the SVTOA meet. Quality of the car wins the show? W/e Chrome wins shows, flashy $$$ paint jobs win shows, nice wheels win shows, body kits win shows, superchargers win shows, along with turbo chargers. Anything that makes your car stand out from the rest will get you that much closer to winning a show. I'm sorry but I don't care if your car runs a 8 in the 1/4th mile. If you have a black hood, red door, primered trunk, and w/e else you will not take home a trophy in a show.

 

why do people "add" stuff to their cars like hoods, wings, spoilers, side skirts, etc? if you didnt like the way a car looked when you first saw it, why did you buy it? more than half the "body kit" cars out there are so removed from stock you cant even tell what they are anymore. i guess ill just never understand them

 

Your new name, Monkie?

I would agree that body kits are mostly just for looks. You're not going to normally get to drive at speeds where some aerodynamics makes much of a difference. Besides, every kit I see on the road is some ugly *** ice cream scoop looking thing on a honda or some bubbled out piece of plastic that looks like *** on any random import. Every body kit I've seen on a thirdgen has looked like pure **** too.

 

Sometimes you need a cowl hood for high carb clearance or a ram air style setup. Please don't categorize hoods as pointless. The reason why some people get body kits is so they can have a car that is bit different from the ordinary, but now it seems that people get body kits to impress other people.

Not too many ground effects kits look really good on thirdgens. Most of the aftermarket groundeffects for Firebirds were made to look like the TA ground effects.

Would you be horribly offended if I put a TA front clip on my non ground effects Firebird? I want some sort of air dam to reduce how high it looks in the front and the only one I can find is a TA style won. It would be to hard and cost too much to have a custom one made.

 

Simple...if it doesn't make the car faster or safer, and it doesn't have a specific mechanical function, it doesn't have any place on the car. I don't think any of you are going to be headed around the racetrack at speeds high enough to necessitate these body kits you're clamoring about.

R i c e r, take your car to a real MCA show and see how far you get with that ****.

 

I agree with that. I remember back in the day when people spent hours molding Z3 fender scoops on thier ride to have an original look. Now all of these aftermarket companies take the fun out of originality by making every possible style you want a bolt on. Any Joe Blow can do that. Hondas are nothing more than kit cars now. The only Hondas I like now are the really old skool ones like the 78 Accord - at least people don't R_____ out the old skool ones because they tend to be owned by guys who bought the car in 78.'


Too many punks are just posers and wannabes trying to be like the Fast and the Furious thinking they are the Shi$. There are so many of them that it makes the nicely import tuned cars suffer a bad reputation for that particular trend market.


The only reason why I plan on seeing the FF2 is because I hear Mr. T will be making a cameo appearence. I love the 80's and Mr. T is one of my favorite 80's icons besides Don Johnson in Miami Vice.

 

understood. but 9 times out of 10 its the TBI Camaros sporting cowl hoods that im talking about. do they really need them? probably not
agreed 100%. body kits may have been original 3 years ago, but now, if you DONT have one, your original
you could always lower the car

the point i was trying to make is that 99% of the time, bodykits/add ons are added for looks, not performance.
:sillylol: :sillylol: :sillylol: agreed, Nic.

hey Monkie, how many NOPI trophies do you have again?

 

LOL so now I'm a *****? Do you guys even know what a ***** is? Didn't think so. Anyways I have been to MANY shows and its always the hot rod with the chrome engine bay, and the flashy paint job that wins the show. Hell if you want Nic since my car is **** you could beat it all around right? Lets meet up at FFW and we can run them against eachother then we can put them in a show and see which one of them gets more drool on the car.

 

Anyways we have gotten way off topic. Any Domestic body kit is only for your personal taste and to make you look different if you want. So while most of you say they are pointless you are wrong. They make your car look good (some) and they hardly weigh you down at all. Maybe you lose 1hp.

 

from Raising Arizona

 

If chrome and superchargers, and flashy graphics win shows explain my win in the MCCNE show at Mustangs Unlimited! I have a cold air lit as my only chrome, and Cobra rims as my only exterior mod! I was parked near some supercharged cars with $5000 paint jobs! So basically if I had gone in there with some chrome paint (not quality) and painted my whole engine I would have come away in 1st! None of the cars that win just have crap put together in a back yard, they are quality!

I think a body kit does serve purpose on a road racer, but then howcome eveyone brags about 1/4 times and not lap times at a track! I think they look tacky (most) and would never put one (MAYBE a Cobra kit) on my car, but that is preferance!

That is why the LX was ALWAYS faster than the GT because of the weight the body kit, added fastners and stuff added!

 

I reused my fastners and bolt. From when I was a stock cobra to when I added the body kit, and stainless steel exhaust I only gained 23lbs. 125lbs = 10hp. Do the math.

 

maybe for Mustang guys that formula is correct, but for us Chevy guys its always been 100lbs = 10hp

 

US Mustang guys believe the same as you, it is the other few that have different formulas!

 

I have always loved Saleens and still do. The Roush Mustangs are for those that want something exclusive and are willing to spend the extra $$ for it. Here is what the base package Stage I comes with:

• body kit with emblems
• floor mats
• rims/tires package

This has a base price of $5820.00 list.

There are many options to this from 18" rims ($2035) to a full brake package ($2275) and much more.

The Stage II has some serious suspension mods with sway bars, shocks and struts, springs, lower control arms and pinion snubber along with 18" rims. This package is priced at $9,660.00 and also includes all the Stage I componets of course. Bit too much for me! For more info go to:

Roush Mustangs

Non of these cars are made for the 1/4 anyway and never have been. No kidding you can go faster than any of them for less money! But why do people spend over $100,000 for Porsches, Ferrari's, etc. if they can go faster with a something else like a Vette or Viper..or even a modded Mustang/ F-body? For bragging rights and having a car that not everyone can. There not worth it to me, but maybe if I had a ton of extra $$ they would be. But calling them **** is rediculous.
A roush Mustang is not the same as a Civic with a 2' wing and a fart can...

 

I hate when this happens . Whenever something about mustangs is said- it (most of the time) turns out to be F-Body v.s. Mustang guys.

*Puts on firesuit*
I think if the mustang people wanna argue- they should just go find a Mustang fourm. They got one right?

 

why would you go out and buy your vette and modify it if you where not happy with what it did stock?

I guess I will never understand that

 

a body kit is NOT JUST FOR AERODYNAMICS OR LOOKS.. sorry it just seems like ppl only think that and just say it over and over

even if the kit was bought for aerodynamics yes maybe the change might be small but if you are wanting to do every little bit you can and have done quite a bit already and are not going out buying some cheap combat body kit the gains might be qorthwhile for you.
the gain I would get from just the tire width difference alone would be very good reason fo me to ge one
but not one of the gaudy *** bastard ones

 

they can make a difference even at lower speeds if done right maybe small but every little bit helps

yes I know I said taht already

this one also

they are not always just for aerodynamics and looks

 

1/4 mile times seem to be the most prefered form of racing among most domestics here, as well as the most prefered form of racing within this country


so like a lot of ppl that is the only form of time taht would mean anything to anyone else


if I said I ran a such and asuch at such and such trackk most would just be like... yeah... so is that good or bad?

 

so if I put a motor making about 200hp on a go cart frame weighing about 400lbs

if I take of half the wieght I only gain 20hp


mmmm.....
**** wonder what that would do to a semi


going from a fully loaded semi at 80,000lbs down to 20,000 that it would be equal to 600hp?


sorry just trying to point out that the numbers are too simplistic to reallly be used like that

the scale is more or less inverse to one another
the lighter the car the higher th equivilant hp gain
the heaver the car you would need to remove more weight to see the same gain

 

this will get locked soon anyway I bet

but anyway the mustang ppl are just as welcome here as anyone else



but I agree about the mustang vs f-body thing turns into a big flame war

*takes tyty49 firesuit and runs away with it*

haha mine now...