Am I the only one that understands the 4.6 is a HUGE improvement over the 302?

 

and I'll take my 20B rotary so

 

Gimmie the all aluminum ZL1 over the 426 Hemi,429,428scj,427cammer Fords, and the LS6 454 anyday.

Second would be the 455 buick

Third would be a 4.1 Stage turbo Buick V6(HEHE)


As for the Chevy Big Dog! 572cu.in. ring a bell! If not do a search on it.

 

i can build a blown 454 with around 1000hp for about 8K, i dont think you can touch a 429 boss for that kind of money.

i also bet the 720hp 572ci crate engine (naturally aspirated) from chevy is gonna cost less than it would to get your hands on a 429 boss.

thats why ford got WORKED by chevy......who owns drag racing? chevy and dodge. not ford...why??? because they didnt step up to the plate, so its their own fault.

yup ford sat back and didnt develop their BB technology because it was so good.....and that gets you the same place in racing as it does in every other part of life, left behind in the dust. they didnt try so now they get ruined :rockon:

 

i wanted a fox body before i got my car, and wanted a mustang when i got my car, and i still rather have started with one then a RS LO3

 

ya well im gonna tell you whats gonna happen to the almighty mustang in the next 10 years too.

its a product produced by a large corporation and is thus subject to the rules and pitfalls of major market economy.

the only direct competition for the mustang is gone which leads to 2 things. It will improve and remain a great product for several years and corner a large share of the market due to lack of substitution. Then, after awhile there will be no ecnomic benefit to improvement of the product because it is the only one in the market, and quality will begin to suffer.

Finally, (this is already beginning) they will try to save themselves by competeing with the next level....which of course is the corvette. One of 2 outcomes are possible here. One, the mustang will never get there because its not a worldclass sports car platform, its a muscle car. it doesnt appeal to the same market, so ford will be barking up the wrong tree. the second possibility is that ford will try to ascend the mustang to level of the vette possibly with a completely redesigned platform in which case it will become a totally different car intended for the same market as the corvette, not the mustang enthusiast....and it will probably fail and even if it doesnt it wont be the same car anymore and will lose its loyal fans

 

I am curious why nobody has compared the LS1 to the 4.6 in this argument. What do you guys think? I like the LS1 solely because people are putting awesome times down with them with simple bolt ons. And there is a stock shortblock naturally aspirated LS1 at my local track that runs 10.8's with a 4000 stall, ported/polished stock heads, 4.11's, a big cam and the usual stuff. Talk about a quick car

 

Although the current Mustang has no competition from the F-body anymore. I think you are gonna see the GTO step up to the plate. With the emergence of the GTO GM has pretty much killed the Firebird. That's not to say the Camaro won't be back using the same platform(Sigma) as the GTO for the entry level performance car. Also figure Dodge to be in the running as well(as soon as those damn engineers put the new Hemi in a platform that won't make people sick).

There is a market for these cars still and the Largest auto manufacturer in the world isn't gonna sit idle while the competition sucks up there old buyers. Everyone knows the Corvette has been in the red since they were first made and it doesn't pay to make the LS1/LS6 in it's current configuration to install it in just one platform. Have faith my brethren(and Fear my Ford fans) cause Chevy will be back in the performance car market to slap Ford around once again.

This concludes today's pep talk.................

 

guys honestly......i love the optimism.....and while i do feel very confident that GM is gonna get back in the batters box with some good performance platforms in the near future....the camaro WILL NOT be one of them.......all the rumors and such are just that, rumors......

If the camaro was produced on the sigma platform it would likely be way to expensive for most of us to buy anyways.

When they closed down the st. terese plant in quebec they had a press conference when the last camaro ever made rolled off the line., and one of the magazines, i think it might have been carcraft or CHP asked a gm VP if there was a possibility of a 5th gen camaro,

the VP looked at the car, and said " this is the last camaro"

guys i wish it was gonna come back, but its not.

 

The camaro and firebird will be back, absence makes the heart grow fonder. Remember Ford killed the t-bird for few years also.

Dodge is suppossed to bring the Charger back into production...
If anyone remebers the prototype from a few years ago, this looks very promising.

GTO will be it's own platform, basicly a RWD Grandprix with a LS1.

Why GM didn't use the LS1 in other platforms is a shame.. guess they couldn't figure out how to make it fit into their FWD cars...
The LS1 could have found homes in trucks and vans (de-tuned of course) if the full size Caprice was still around it would have gone in there too.

Get ready to see a new wave of RWD from MOPAR...

 

Why would you think that it would be too expensive? If it were made on the same assembly line as the GTO(like the Firebird), Changed the front fascia and tailights, The cost would be split between the two models. Just a thought. Not like I care, with a house purchase and trying for some children within the next 2 years a new peformance car budget would be outta my league..

But I do like the GTO and the G8 cars that were developed.

 

let me put it this way, if the f-body does come back, its not gonna happen in the next 10 years

 

Wait, now we go from big blocks to why the Mustang wil not last. Remember the Camaro and Firebird are gone, leaving that market owned by the Mustang. The Mustang will stay where it is because GM will come out with the GTO or come back with the Camaro to try and take the market over. I can't recall a time when the Camaro outsold the Mustang, or even when the combined Camaro and Firebird outsold it, so I doubt the Mustang will be gone in 10 years!

I can see why you guys are optomistic about the comeback of the Camaro or the downfall of the Mustang, but I doubt you will see the Mustang leave anytime soon, but you may see the Camaro back.

If I were you guys i would stick to horsepower wars and not sales wars or whose car will be gone when, because if the Mustang never wins a horsepower battle, it has and always will outsell the Camaro!

 

LS1 vs. 4.6 DOHC? I don't know. I like the LS1 before, but now with all of the forged aftermarket internals and iron block.... I'm likin' the 4.6 more and more every day. They need to put it in the Mach 1, too. Then I wouldn't have to mess with internals, I could just slap a big blower on there and haul ***.

Chris

 

thats questionable during the 80's, especially here in the northeast. in the 90's theres no doubt the mustang outsold the camaro.....but the 3rd gen also outsold the 4th gens by an amazing margin.

another good reason the mustang usually sold better is because in most cases it was ALOT cheaper.

And 5.0, if you want to know why the mustang is done for, read my post thats up about 4-5 from this one, thats why. its simple economics......nothing about ford sucking, or whos this or that, its all based in very simple economics.

When there are no competing products the impetus for price competition and competition based on quality is gone. Once a supplier has achieved a high market power (in this case by being the only supplier in the market) it will slowly stop bending to the will of consumers, the prices will rise and quality will fall. thats just how it works. Its got nothing to do with brand loyalty of any kind, if it was the other way around the same thing would happen to the f-body

 

ok I think i can clarify this a bit more,

with no other competing products the only choice is the mustang.....so ALL mustang people are gonna buy them, and some people who were on the fence are more than likely going to buy the stang cause there is no more f-body to complicate the decision. And from this point forward everyone entering the 2 door pony/muscle car market for the first time is going to buy a mustang because its the only option.

after a fairly short period of time, it will become very, very profitable for F*rd to stop throwing money r&d on the mustang, because even if they do people will still buy them, and by doing so they will greatly increase their profit margin for the mustang platform.

next, once the market becomes saturated (sales fall of slightly due to everyone who wants one, having one.....a shift to the left of the demand curve) this is when quality will begin to fall of because sales will be lesser anyways, and therefore further steps will need to be taken in order to keep the car profitable. So your gonna see your cuts happening here.

even if the demand climbs again, or stays steady the quality will begin to fall of due to lack of focus on the platform. Knowing the type of organizational hierarchy ford has, its pretty certain this will take place.

so inevitably the mustang is doomed too.......good cannot exist without evil....thats a much simpler analogy for it. the fall of the camaro will eventually lead to the demise of the stang

 

I remeber seeing a lot more f bodies around when i was a kid compared to the late 80's and 90's. In the late 70's to mid 80's everyone had an f body. I can say that no matter how bad the sales were at least Chevy or Pontiac didn't make a car half as bad as the Mustang II. That was and still is(at least next to the Aztec) the ugliest car I've ever seen. Yeah They put those stupid bumpers on the 74-76 camaro, but other than that they were pretty stylish.

The reason they outsell the camaro is simply the market. There are more women driving mustangs around than f-body's. Not be sexist, but a women has to feel she sees everything when behind the wheel. In an f-body you sit real low,it's a rough ride,and there are more blindspots. If you look at the total amount of mustangs bought, you would see the dramatic difference in buyers when comparing the two platforms.

I have an article from the brand manager of chevrolet(GMHTP), in the article they asked why the camaro couldn't sell. He said "Simply we produce a car that is quick,handles great, and is a true sports car, and we won't make any compromises in those areas.

 

Well, it seems to me that the mustang was never competing in quality with the camaro, nor was it competing in performance. Since 93, the camaro dominated the Mustang in performance, while the mustang focused on quality. I don't think that the demise of the camaro would bring about the mustang's downfall. Even if by chance you are right, though, GM will provide more competition in that market.

The problem I see with the mustang is the same problem I saw in the RX7 and the Supra: In America, expensive sports-cars don't sell well unless they are status symbols. The price of the mustang has been increasing too rapidly. The mustang's MSRP is ~$23,000 (I haven't seen the sticker prices on 'em in a while). The new platform will undoubtedly raise the bar, as well. The Cobra model has the ability to compete with the Corvette in small quantities because it is a quasi-status symbol. The 30k dollar price tag for the Mach 1 is low enough for it to sell in very low quantities among enthusiasts, but if the Mustang GT is pushed up to the price that'll compete with Corvette, it will fail. The mustang's heritage and image is in a fun abusable sports-image car. The Corvette's image is a world-class luxurious "race-car."

GM will provide future competition, but if not, the mustang won't falter. The platform of 1979 fairmonts has lasted it until 2005. The quality in the new design will last it a long time, as well. Not to mention the fact that it is America's only V8 engined RWD vehicle that the common working man can afford. That, in and of itself, ensures some residual security - teens like front wheel drive sports cars, but not their parents.

Chris

 

No, i'm with ya. 4.6L is a nice improvement from the 5.0. Just took some time for the 2v's to get some nut. The new 3v's should be promising.

There was never a doubt with the 4v's though.

Parts are expensive, but prices are coming down

 

When you say a huge improvement, do you mean stock for stock? or potential wise?

 

Dammit...my post messed up. I had a long post and it got lost...now i don't feel like retyping

 

Stock for Stock...and both potential wise.

while 2v tech is catching up and the 300HP 3v version is 1-2 years away, i mainly look at the 4v engine when i talk about the 4.6L

Take the 4.6L engine in my Mark VIII...only because it's the first year for the engine. Almost 300HP stock, completely aluminum (heads and block) idles smooth, revs to the moon and better breathing thanks to 4v heads. In an old issue of MM&FF, a guy put a stock Mark VIII engine in a fox Mustang and ran low 13's. That's about 1 full second faster than a stock 5.0L engine. That's with the first issue 4v's

The new 4v engines are even better. WAY more torque low end and mid range and better top end HP. The Lincoln aviator even comes with variable intake runner technology allowing the engine to switch from long runners for low end torque to short runners for top end HP. The new Mach 1 4v engine may only be 300HP but it has a HUGE increase in low and middle range torque allowing it to run low 13's stock out of a 3500 lb car while the older 96-98 305HP cobras could barely break out of the 14's. The new '03 cobras show the potential of the 4v engine when under a small amount of boost. These engines take VERY well to forced induction and the internals are very strong.

The 4v engine is also 10 years old. There are plenty of Mark VIII's running around with 150K miles and still runnning strong. The durability of the engines has been proven and it is a worthy sucessor to the 5.0

I just think it's gonna get exciting with the modular engines as technology advances. I'd love to see the aviator variable runner technology applied in a cobra application. The 4V engine is not given the amount of credit it really deserves. It may have not been anything special back in the late 90's, but now that it's used in the Lincoln continental, aviator, mark VIII, the ford mustang cobra and mach 1 and the marauder ford is putting some $$ into developing the engine further.


It's just the poor performance of the 2V brought the 4.6's rep down a bit when they first came out in the stang (the 4.6L 2v came out in the '91 town car). Anyway, just some info.

I still love the 5.0 and the ease of working on them as well as the cheapness of mods, but the 4V just appeals to me as an exotic blank canvas with so much potential

 

The 4 valve has serious appeal to me too. I really hope that it is cheap enough to put into the 2005 Mustang GT. Then the aftermarket prices will fall very nicely. I still suspect that because the engine is so good stock, that there will be less emphasis on modifying it than there was on the 5.0. Plus, 2v pushrod motors were the heyday of the 60's musclecar era, and hence took advantage of the aftermarkets of that era. Sure, the true enthusiasts will still be out there upgrading their 4.6s even though they'll probably come with low 13 second timeslips, but it will never amount to the vast modification of the 5.0 in the fox platform.

Indeed the advanced technology does create a better, more efficient design. The big advantage is with forced induction, and that presents huge opportunities for the cobra in the near future. However, I think it a bit unfair to compare a 300 hp version of ford's modern performance engine to the 225 hp of ford's performance engine 10 years ago. If the 302 were still being put into platforms today, 300 hp would pose an insignificant challenge. I've done that with as streetable results as factory engines with their own parts (GT40X heads, Cobra intake etc...). I should be knocking on 400's door now n/a and still a 302. This engine would not be a factory engine, but then again neither have we seen a 400 hp n/a 4.6. No doubt the head technology of today is better than that of the old 5.0s, but keep in mind that it doesn't make the engine better. A worthy successor the 4.6 DOHC may be, but let's keep the comparisons realistic. There is no feasible reason to put a 4.6 DOHC into a fox-body platform to run any ET when it can be done more cheaply with old technology. Neither is there reason to gloat about a 300 hp 4.6 DOHC in comparison to the old 5.0s that had no performance cars to compete with.

That said, I'm not so sure about a new incarnation of the 4.6. I don't trust ford after the 4.6 2v. It is the primary reason I have not purchased a new mustang. The 4.6 DOHC already has an established aftermarket, and people know its potential. I'm still waiting for a 5.4 Liter DOHC forged internals supercharged version of the mustang.... Maybe put that in the BOSS as a drag-pack option. I'll take one of those in a heartbeat.

Chris

 

Well, i don't doubt the potential for a 300HP factory 5.0 if Ford has stuck with it. The 5.0L explorer engine was perhaps the best version of the 5.0 built over here. Even though the cam and computer limited power to 205HP, it had the parts needed for 260HP with a simple cam swap and computer change doe to the cobra-derived parts. In Australia, the 5.0L and the 5.7L are still dueling it out..although i think Ford has introduced a 5.4L DOHC in the falcon making 360HP (approx)

But the newer 4.6 4v can make this greater power while sill remaining emmissions friendly and fuel efficient. Just some personal expeirence, back to my 4.6 4v. With 85K miles, it had VERY low emmissions when i took it for testing. Not even a 1/4 of what my 5.0L made when i brought it in for testing and the 5.0 still is 100% smog legal. As for gas milage. One night i logged 26.6MPH on the highway according to the computer and i get about 21MPH normal city and 18MPH if i start romping on the car. My 5.0L barely manages to make 18MPH if I baby it, and only makes about 250HP.

Not bashing the 5.0 though, i love the engine, but i see why ford made the switch and i think they did a very good job.

5.0L HO and 4.6L 4V are the two best engines ever made by Ford period in my opinion

 

Now, does the 4.6L burn cleaner or is it using the 6 cat exhaust system that the 4.6 GTs were using? The old 5.0s were using the old school smog pump EGR system. How would burn today?

No doubt, you've got it right on the efficiency part. No doubt the 4v DOHC 4.6 has a more efficient motor design. One thing I wonder about though is how those pushrod LS1s occasionally manage over 30 mpg. Dad's averaged about 25 mpg on a tank, and on the highway would always average over 28.

One clear advantage to the modular motor is it is easier to produce and at less cost to ford than did the windsor family motors.

It's hard to say what the two best engines ford has ever produced are, though. There's nothing too special about the 5.0 to me except it's following and aftermarket. The 4.6 is certainly there in potential, and technology. The 427 D-code was a monster kick-*** big-block, the Boss 302 was undoubtedly a better performance motor than the later 5.0s.

I'd really be happy if the 4.6 DOHC was put into the 05+ GTs, and then it recieved the same aftermarket following as the 5.0. If they put that motor in that conept that I keep seeing, Ford will get some more of my money.

Chris

 

To the M*****g dude that brought sales up, oh yes the F-Body did beat the M*****g in that too. I *think* the F-Body outsold you guys in 94 and 95 and a few years in the 70's, but that doesn't matter much to me when I know for a fact the Third Gen did this, the only Gen to win the most years in sales against the M*****g:

Production 82-92

Camaro
1982: 189,747- beats M*****g without needing Firebird sales
1983: 154,831- beats M*****g without needing Firebird sales
1984: 261,591- beats M*****g without needing Firebird sales
1985: 180,018- beats M*****g without needing Firebird sales
1986: 192,219
1987: 137,760
1988: 96,275
1989: 110,739
1990: 34,896
1991: 100,838- beats M*****g without needing Firebird sales
1992: 70,007

Firebird
1982: 116,364
1983: 74,884
1984: 128,304
1985: 95,880
1986: 110,465
1987: 88,612
1988: 62,445
1989: 64,409
1990: 20,553
1991: 51,184
1992: 27,569

F-Body Total
1982: 306,111- Beats M*****g
1983: 229,715- Beats M*****g
1984: 389,895- Beats M*****g
1985: 275,898- Beats M*****g
1986: 302,684- Beats M*****g
1987: 226,372- Beats M*****g
1988: 158,720
1989: 175,148
1990: 55,422- Only a half production year
1991: 152,022- Beats M*****g
1992: 97,576- Beats M*****g

M*****g Totals
1982: 130,418
1983: 120,873
1984: 141,482
1985: 156,514
1986: 224,410
1987: 159,145
1988: 211,225- F-Body lost
1989: 209,769- F-Body lost
1990: 128,189- F-Body lost
1991: 98,737
1992: 79,280

That's 8 of 11 years for the F-Body total, and it could have been 1 more if 90 was a full production year. It was also the only time that the Camaro outsold the M*****g all by itself, and for 5 of the 11 years at that. :rockon:

 

And on the subject of the Camaro coming back and GM products to come, listen to what FRMULA88 had to say.

The Camaro will be back, you might be in for a surprise in 06/07, which will also be the 40th Anniversary of a certain car we know. I want to make it clear to the F**d guys, the F-Body is not gone because of sales or because of the M*****g selling more, it is gone because of a stupid, idioticly, negotiated contract and lousy business decisions made by the people that used to run GM, which are not in there anymore. (Same people that took away a car like the B-Body to build more SUV's instead) We have people in there now that want to make things right and make GM really GM again. The F-Body, even though it didn't sell much in the 4th Gen, was still making GM money and was profitable. The name Camaro cannot be used or even talked about by GM for a few years, but that has nothing to do with the Camaro being developed behind the scenes to be ready for a certain time and going by a code name as it did before in the 1st Gen.

 

i dont know about this one.....can you link me to an article?

the sales of the f-body weren't good in recent years.....like someone else mentioned chicks my ****loads of v6 stangs.....and that didnt help things.

while im pissed about the f-body, the cancellation of the platform does make good business sense. unfortunately we arent the only people that GM sells cars too, as much as we like to think we are sometimes

 

Do a search on the sigma platform and you'll see where the buisness decisions come from. Why would GM continue to waste money building a car on a platform that originated in 82? Gm is planning on cosolidating most of it's platforms around the sigma design. That being said the first one to use it was the Cadiallac Catera(sold poorly and was a bust). 2nd ws the Cadillac CTS(sales are up as well as consumer satisfaction). Third in line is the new GTO. Eventually cars like the Grand Am,Bonneville,Grand Prix will all be under the same platform. This lets GM spread the cost of production over many different models as well as divisions.

As with any engine it can only survive as long as the govt. wants it too. This reason is tied to the emission certifications. The LT1 had an emission certificate dated to 1997(with it's current equipment). As with any business, is it profitable to continue to use the same engine and keep dumping in money to get it to pass smog or spend that money to improve technology and emissions on an engine that will have greater longevity in the marketplace.

The current LS1 derived engines I believe are slated for an overhaul in 2006(coincides with the new Vette). 2 designs I've heard of are two cams located in the valley and a camless design using actuators to open and close the valves(gives infinite control over the valve timing events).

There are good things in the works at GM. The new I6 4.2L is said to be undergoing testing in a turbocharged application. The Ecotec 4 cylinder engine is also being tested in turbocharge form as well. To me that is the wave of the Future for most companies as I see it. GM managed to ring out 700hp from the turbo Ecotec. Smaller force fed engines are easier to pass smog and make decent power and cost less to produce.

Just my .02

 

if GM builds all those cars, and bases a new camaro all on the same platform, i wont be interested. all the cars would be the same chassis design with a different body.....thats like when we change the body on the monster truck, put on an f150, or a GM truck, or a Ram body....its all still the same vehicle, just wrapped up differently. failure to differentiate product lines is the kiss of death for any major corporation especially one with rivalry as high as it is in the auto industry.

the 2 cam design your referring to is called the xv8 and is a purely experimental engine that was designed and built by GM powertrain. As of right now there are no plans to put this engine in any production cars. GM powertrain does not have any camless designs yet, no manufacturer has attempted to create a production gas engine design with valve actuators based on new tech yet. Navistar is currently building one of these engines for ford, but its a diesel and is designed to significantly reduce emissions and increase output.

whats gonna happen as far as emissions restrictions for 2006 is most likely going to be almost completely based on the displacement on demand technology which is already up and running on a 5.3l truck test vehicle and several other smaller engine vehicles. This will most likely be applied to the 6.0 next, and as we all know the 6l is a very close cousin to the ls1 sharing almost all its parts with the exception of bore and stroke, and cast iron block instead of alum.

 

This is where you are thinking like a Ford man. The reason people like chevy's so much(engine that is) Is that you can take any crank and mix it with any block you want, all the parts are interchangeable. Try that with the Cleveland,Winsdor and anything else ford has. If you have an outstanding platform that weighs less, has 4 wheel independent suspension and all the goodies you'd need in any car, why wouldn't you use that platform in mulitple designs.

Other than sports car enthusuiests people don't care what's under there car as long as it gives them what they want. If you think this is incorrect look at the Japanese automakers. Most of them are completely alike in one way or another. And they split the cost over a few automakers to develop these automobiles. Again if you think this is incorrect look at the joint research that is going on with Ford and GM with the development of the 6speed auto tranny. If the world keeps getting smaller and smaller you can't hpe to be productive in a society if you alienate yourself.

 

i just have an excellent education and i understand how the market economy works. im not a ford person, but i know myself and pretty much all auto enthusiasts would not like to buy a new camaro that was basically the same thing as a caddy cts, catera, gto, or any other cars that are/going to be built on the platform. it would just be the same damn car, with different sheetmetal or fiberglass. who the f*ck wants that? thats like doing one of those fiero/ferrrai conversion kits and calling it a ferrari.

people are not stupid, and if you sell them the exact same product with a different facade a whole bunch of times, they are gonna switch to a product line that has a higher degree of differentiation in order to more closely satisfy their individual needs.

this isnt about brand loyalty (im a chevy guy, always will be) its about marketing and business, and the reality in which those things take place.

that new transmission is being jointly developed by ford and GM for use in both companies product line. a large impetus for this, is ford finally realized that it cant build an automatic lol. collaboration between auto makers is nothing new.

and personally i really dont want a camaro with 4-wheel independant suspension.....the mustang already made that mistake......f-body's are muscle cars, not sports cars.....the corvette is a sports car

 

On my Lincoln, it had two small precats like on the 5.0 Mustang and then 1 main cat where it goes from 2 into single exhaust...and then later splitting back into dual exhaust.

 

OK I am ford guy and just picked up an LO3 RS... while its a nice car... as you guys already know... its no match for a good running 5.0 stang with a good driver. My old gt convertible 5 spd with 2.73 gearing went 14.42 at 98mph basically stock. Mind you this is in a heavy convertible! Power everything stereo leather power seats full stock exhaust full ac power steering all of that. Also Running higher revs has helped me win a few races mostly against other stangs. But in one instance I was racing a 98 4.6Gt coupe 5 spd. We ran pretty close together till around 38mph which is where I shift into 2nd. But he shifted into 2nd around 33mph. I wound it out a bit more and shifted at 38 this did allow me to pull a bit of ground on him it also put me in a slightly sweeter spot than him when I did shift into 2nd. By the way the 98's while .4 liters smaller did have a bit more hp on me plus he had an upgraded exhaust too. Some of this is driver related. But I am just relaying the thought that RPM can win a race. He wasnt a bad driver he was on the ball but he just shifted closer to what you are suppose to. I was shifting around 5800-6000rpms in basically each gear and then shifting into 4th around 5400rpms. Now I dont know what forumla 350's run but I have taken out 2. One with headers throttle body and cat back exhaust. I was running dumps basically straight off the h pipe which killed tq. So he killed me off the line. But above 2800 rpms I would pull on him. By 90 I had 2 cars....
Dont think I am ******* GM... I am a good driver. I have lost to LT1's and LS1's in that car. But I have also beat some Lt1's both auto and stick... Did I have a freak of nature Mustang? Maybe....
So now I will be trying to beat some of my buddies in this Lo3 camaro.... *sigh* wish me luck.... By the way I like the camaro but damn this car feels long and I am not sure about the power.... But then again my stang was a 5spd so it is hard to compare a 5 spd 225hp 5.0 to a 170hp 4 spd (auto) 5.0
big difference..... But should be an interesting trip....
Oh and someone mentioned the 327.... My buddy has one out of a 68 chevelle can I use any of the parts off of it for a performance increase? ok ok I know wrong forum.....

 

You can use the whole engine. However youwill need a special flywheel for the older 2 piece rear main seal. The TBI will have to be upgraded as well as the intake to get it to shine up top(where it really likes to run. You will lose some low end tq, but a steeper gear down low may offset it. The 327 is a really good engine and if it doesn't cost you a lot to get would be an upgrade from the wheezing 305 .

 

didn't this come out in the 80's or something with a caddy motor?


I have heard nothing of problems from that design lets hope this one is better

also aren't they comming out or have already come out with a displacement on demand with on of there newer caddy motors?

 

there have already been test articles on these cars and the consensus was they were great. the transitioning bewtween 3 and 6 cylinder and 4 and 8 cylinder operation is said to be seemless and smooth. you couldnt tell it was happening if not for the indicator light (which probably wont be on production cars)

the great part about this tech, is it makes it very easy to meet emission standards, and still build even greater power into the engine because it doesnt run at full tilt all the time

yes rx7 they did that in the 80's with caddys and it sucked....but we have alot better computers now