this was hiliarious, so we meet up for some illegal street racing and theres only one race b4 the cops came but it was a good one
so a 01-02 SS lines up on the line and is smoking is tires and practicing his launch and what not when a guy jumps in his im guessing 92 going by the heritage kit that was on it(stripes and all that) he starts doing the same thing and his car is loud as hell, so i start asking ppl on the side whats done, ppl r like o he gots a ls1 swap, im like o
so they start and the 3rdgen leaves him off the line pulls in first and second and by then u can just see his taillights in front the rest of the way,!
then the cops came and dont do anything just spotlight ppl till everybody leaves BOO!
there was a 91 firebird i wanted to run!

 

sounds like a great race!!

darn cops, dont they have anything else better to do

 

Like I and others said, put a 4th Gen drivetrain in a Third and it'll be faster than the 4th.

 

its odd how that works.

 

And won't look all misproportioned like the 4thgens...

 

Yeah but LS1s are muy expensivo! Still, that is funny. You put the 4th into the 3rd and the 3rd is better than the 4th. Don't dwell on that too much you might go crazy

 

a new ls1 motor form gm with everyting needed to drop it in is 5,600 bucks...

since my parents both my parents have worked for gm for about 30 years. family gets a helleva discount

i mean it would cost me under 3,500
i thikn it came to 3,423 or some **** like that

i think my dad would be mad havin my 11 year old car smoke his 2001 z lol

 

What are the chances that the third gen went though all that work to put a completely stock ls1 in his car? Ide say very slim to none. If i was gonna go through all that work ide be damned if i didnt do a little tweaking before i dropped the engine. Not trying to bust anyones bubble, but i highly doubt that the third gen has a stock ls1 so you cant really compare the 2 cars and say which is better.

 

im not saying it wasnt modded, but i am saying it was a ls1!
they both were modded cuz they were both loud as hell!!

and your right when i do a motor swap im going to tweak b4 droppin it in!

 

sounds like ure gonna have one hell of a car there.

 

hopefully
5600 for the engine and all tat jazz plus i need a tranny

damn i hope i can still found 98-02 drivetrains when ill be able to afford that!

 

LS1's are no doubt awesome engines. I have one in my 2000 z28 , but for that amount of money i'm sure you could prolly build a more powerful engine and transmission for less money. But hey, if youve got the money then by all means go for it! Trust me, you will not regret it.

 

krazycracka55 - any idea how much hp you have with your upgrades? i got a 92 3.1L also that i'm workin on to sell. for a v-6, the 3.1 takes off w/ decent speed. i was plannin on switchin out the v-6 for a 99 SS LS1 engine but the custom work to get it to work in my car cost way too much. so i figure i'll just go w/ some simple upgrades and sell the car for whatever i can get. so any idea how much hp those upgrades added to your car? thanks

 

I would still take a fourth anyday. Funny how the 01 SS still has hundreds of advantages over the third gen....

 

Well, thats you. Both cars have their own advantages and disadvantages. There still hasn't been a stock 4th that hit .9-.92 G's or had a better setup for autocrossing, they look like ****, there isn't as much interior room in the front, their windshields are too raked, they are heavier, the dash looks like it was planned out in 5 mins and looks like every other car, you can't see the hood, they are incredibly more difficult to work on, the public never picked up on them and they sold terrible, the LS1 sounds like ****, they don't feel fast even though they are, and they just aren't as cool. I don't care if they are faster. Thats not the most important thing.

If I got 1 free I'd sell it and have some great Third Gen's. Thats MO.

 

I agree, I dont like the 4th gens, they look like a skinny arrow. No stlye to it at all, a 3rd gen however does have style.

I like the 4th gen firebirds though, I think they have nice curves and style.

 

i bet its easier to cut a 60' with a third gen too, that cab forward design in the 4th gen cant be great for weight transfer.....too much up front.

i do hate the interiors in the new camaros too.......i feel like i dont have any headroom, and im not really tall at all.

if i was gonna buy a 4th gen and i might....it would be a trans am

 

Yeah, I really like my 98 T/A. The LS1 is a great engine, heads/cam/bolt-on's and you can be in the low 11's/high 10's, I've seen just cam and bolt-on cars running low 11's. There are times I think if didn't have so much time and money in the IROC, I'd sell it for LS1 mods. But then I start up the ROC and take it for a drive, and I like it too. I just need to make more money

 

I think my 4th gen is easier to work on actually, with the borla it sound awesome, and about not feeling fast i have no idea what ure talking about. The first time i drove my 2000 z28 i nearly pissed my pants. I think my 4th gen is pretty damn cool and i think my 3rd gen is pretty damn cool also. Personally i think every f body is cool, but i doubt you've ever ridden in an ls1 car before or else you would never have said they dont feel fast.

 

Been in a 35th Anniversary SS with all the SLP options available and a few mild mods. Oh yes the speedometer advances very fast but you just don't feel it. Its almost too smooth. Making TQ at a little higher RPM contributes to that too.

 

IMO the 3rd gen has better exterior and interior

but i want 4th gen seats and other parts and the entire driveline for my car

and i also think they sound awesome even without headers and exhaust..its that no nonsense quietness that is unexpected i think

the first im i drove my dads 2001 z i about p1ss my pants..
i was hangin on...after that i was hooked and looking for a wrecked ls1 car

 

No offense man, but you must not have a very good sense of speed. My 2000 z will throw you back in the seat and make you scream for mercy like a little girl. I can definitely feel the ls1 power and so can everyone thats ever screamed when i mash the gas, lol.

 

I have a great sense of speed, take my word for it. I might just be used to his 360HP, fiberglass paneled, 84 Z28 with a built trans and Mega Shifter more.

 

lol, that might explain a little. sounds like a beast

 

LOL, it is, and 1 of the craziest looking cars you could ever see. He's 1 of those dudes you really gotta ask to floor it though.

 

any pictures?

 

Nah, its fast though.

 

damn you man, lol jk

 

Handles good too, thats 1 of the Thirds specialties. SFC's are such are great mod, makes the car nice and tight. IMO every F-Body owner with a V8 should have them. (V6's aren't twisting anything ) No rattles at all in that car.

 

do you like pain and punishment or something?

you cant even see through to the ground in the engine compartment in a 4th gen, and a 1/4 of the engine is under the windshield. Pretty much everything behind the nose is about the same to work on as a 3rd gen though.

th 4th gen ls1 engine compartment is one of the more cluttered and cramped domestic v8 engine compartments there is, part of that is due to how low the nose is, and the radiator is raked at such a steep angle.

the best part is, you have to take the engine out FROM THE BOTTOM. come on, who designed that? im all set with pulling and engine DOWN from a car on a lift over my head.

but everything else behind there is fairly easy to work on

 

ive never done an engine swap on my car and never plan to either. All ive done so far are bolt ons and feel that it was easier on my 4th gen than on a third gen. manifold swaps are easier seeing that there is nothing sitting on top if it and the same can be said about the thermostat, there isnt even a gasket on the ls1 to scrape off. I feel that the basic bolt on are easier on my 4th gen, but you very well may be right about engine swaps being easier on a 3rd gen, but i wouldnt know.

 

basically anything that involves going in deeper than your normal surface bolt-on parts is tougher to work on, especially if that something happened to be on the back of the engine.

and what the f*ck is with the torque-to-yield nuts and bolts?

thats just stupid....lets use bolts that shouldnt be reused. wow.