i dont like posting these questions but what the hell:

My setup is in my sig.
If i raced this guy i would have my flex fan off and have my carbed tuned perfectly.

him:
1993 eclipse turbo AWD that has 3" exhaust and he has the boost set at about 15 lbs. that is all he has as fas as mods go and i have heard that he can not shift while keeping the boost up as high as it could be. hes not a terrible driver but im saying he is not a bad *** one.

me:
my setup is in my sig please check it out and tell me what ya think


also im thinking about getting a 3000 stall REAL REAL soon. keep that in mind.


assuming i launch as hard as i can without spinning whats this race gonna be like???

 

he's gonna have you out of the hole by a lot, but i think if the race is long enough you will catch him by the end.

 

I think it's going to be a good race, but if you launch consistently well, then you win by about a car and a half to two cars. Speculation: I have never seen an AWD turbo eclipse run before and I understand they are fast. But with a 355, and 3.73's I think you'll get him really bad off the line and keep distance because your carb isn't going to top out like LTR's or TBI.

 

there is no way in hell he is going to have an awd tsi off the line, he might be able to keep up with some slicks and a stall converter, but without those no way.

 

I have a video downloaded of a 4th gen Trans Am (dunno what year) against an AWD Eclipse and the Eclipse launches like a rocket. But the T/A didn't have good traction cuz you can hear it spin.

Hurts to watch.

 

It truly does depend on the driver. The 3" exhaust with no supporting mods such as an upgraded exhaust manifold, ported turbo, fuel mods and the like will result in boost creep for the eclipse which hurts it because if it creeps to 20psi it'll just be blowing hot air at higher rpm when the boost creeps so high. However if he DOES have some supporting mods, namely a better fuel pump or at least a rewire then he'll be good and if he can drive he can POTENTIALLY hit low 13s/high 12s with the stock 14b. Of course this depends highly on the driver, where he shifts etc. I think you might edge him out at the top, personally. Race him and find out!

 

thanks for the responces keep them coming

throw this into the mix (on a seperate note):
race him from a 20 mph roll

 

from a roll i think uve got him

 

I have a 93 GSX... Even from a 20mph roll in 2nd gear, I can drop the clutch at about 4000rpm and launch like a Yugo rear ended by a garbage truck. An FBody with a built 355 and 3.73s on street tires should still have traction problems if you jump on it at 20mph. My former 91 GTA and 92 Z28 would kick down and roast the tires if I floored it from 20mph.

My GSX used to walk all over my 96 Z28/SS 6-speed from any speed before most of my mods.

If he has a stock 14b turbo, all he has to do is keep it above 3000rpm and he'll have no real turbo lag. Your car seems pretty built, so you have a very good chance of catching him at the end. AWD is the equalizer here. With just free mods, you can have a DSM running an extra 2-3 lbs of boost.

 

everybody is quick tonight

yeah i might have traction problems - but i am hoping that with heated up low psi street tires i wont spin.

yes he still has the stock turbo. how much do those cars weigh?

 

My tag says 3128 lbs

 

so you think i got him from a 20 roll?

how about his setup vs. my setup on a 100 shot???

 

your setup with a 100 shot will rape him, lol

 

I think you'll spin even from 20mph... What distance are you racing?

I have a 3 inch exhaust and run 14 lbs of boost and ran 13.8s on the stock (slipping) clutch without tuning the a/f correctly. What do you run in the 1/4?

Turbocharged cars don't really run out of breath like many NA cars as the speeds get higher. They like high rpms and high speeds. Without the NOS, you'll probably catch him eventually after you hook up because you're pretty modded, but I doubt you'll walk past him-- depending on how long you race. Unless he misses a shift or hits fuel cut...

You better beat him if you have a modded 355 and a 100 shot!!! You just gotta run and see what happens.

 

i dont know what i run. i have raced a turbo DSM before tho. i do not know the mods but he was eyeing my car down and listened to the idle so i assume hes not completely ignorant. but still the one i raced was a was like a 1993. we raced from 65 mph to 85 mph and i stayed DEAD even with him or i was pulling just a tad. i know this doesnt help much because the car could have been stock or could have had 15 lbs of boost or something. but i know i stayed with him from a 65 mph roll.

 

I ran 95 or so GSX that had exhaust and a 5spd and did not get beat that badly out of the hole. Kid was not the greatest driver, but I caught him after 45 or so and then walked him thorougly. I had about 1 and a half cars by 85. I personally think that people hear DSM and immeadiately grovel to it, DSM are not that impressive. If you want a car a turbo car to fear, then fear the GN, GNX, Turbo T/A and the Regals. Everyone and their freaking grandmother has a DSM, and most of them are N/A.

 

yeah 90% i see are NA

 

but its the other 10% you have to watch out for

 

like this dude

hes fixing to put on a huge turbo and intercooler setup
might have to get this race in soon lol

 

N/A DSMs are definately not worth worrying about... But he's racing a 93 GSX. The 95+ GSXs are slower than pre 94's because of their smaller turbos and plastic BOVs that leak at 12psi. 2g GSXs hardly even feel like they're turbocharged... Turbo DSMs take very well to even the smallest mods. What do you consider impressive? You can easily get a 1g (90-94) AWD DSM into the high 12's/low 13's for under $1500 in parts without nitrous on the stock turbo. That's not too bad for someone on a budget...

Sure no car is unbeatable, DSM and FBody included. Regardless of the car, if the driver can't drive, he'll get beat. More than 1/2 of all races are determined by the driver's skill anyway.

 

I have a friend with a 97 GS-T (fwd turbo) a T3/T4 hybrid turbo and a front mount intercooler running 12.2 on street tires. He can spin his tires all the way through 3rd and most of 4th from a 1st gear 20mph roll. The T3/T4 turbo is a mid-range turbo too, there's much bigger out there.

As that GSX sits right now, I think you can reel him in if the race is long enough and your car is running well.

 

why do ya say "reel him in"? think he will jump me from a 20 roll?

 

My GTA and Z28 were basically stock L98s with nice soft BFG Comp T/A ZRs. Whenever I'd floor it in 2nd, the trans would kickdown and I'd melt the tires. Your car has plenty of mods and should do the same thing. Unless you know for a fact you can hook up from 20mph?

I think you'll spin even at 20mph and if he launches right-- even at 20mph in 1st or 2nd he'll be gone. If he just rolls onto the throttle from coasting, then it's a different story.

Since you don't know what you're running in the 1/4, it's really hard for us to tell exactly how quick/fast your car is...

 

its goin to be an interesting race assuming he just has exhaust and 15 lbs. of boost..

from a dead start i think he'll get you for a lil' bit and then you'll start pulling on him and then pass him up.

from a 20 roll i think he'll still get you cuz you wont hook up. when you do hook up you'll start pulling on him and then pass him up. just what i think.

 

i honestly dont think u'll have a problem hooking at 20 mph, but i think you will get slaughtered off the line. Friend of mine had 4.10 gears in his 92 camaro that ran 14's and that car was all in the launch and he got killed off the line by a guy in a gsx.

 

i knwo i can hook at 20 mph no problem. i dont know i might try to get some nitrous first....

 

nitrous would definitely do the trick as long as you dont get gready and blow your engine.

 

ill put it like this i don't know the diffrence in the power or speed between the newer and older turbo mits cars but i raced a newer 1 with my 200,000 mile stock tpi 305 with a k&n and i had the exhaust done (cut off the cat and replaced with a glass pack and a turn down out pass side) i ran with ****ty plugs because i had spraied my super power shot to platnum plugs (didn't spray in the race) and i busted his *** by atleast 4 and half cars. it was a turbo mits eclipse year must have been close to the last year they made them because it looked pretty new. i did it with a 305 tpi you should be able to do it with a 355 and i only had 323 gears with a mini spool that only lasted that race (didn't get the diffrent cross pin)

take it into consideration,,,,,,, alot of people talk about imports like there big **** now a days but ive race just about every kind and most of them aren't what there made out to be (but some of the faster ones need respect, like the turbo eclipse and 3000gts for example. if he beats you mod more, if you win mod more so it doesn't much matter what we tell you just go race him and then you will know for sure.

peace

 

Why don't you get off your *** and race em? You've got everybody's opinion and we can now conclude that everyone here at thirdgen (mostly) thinks that you'll get raped out of the hole but you should be able to pull on em. So go ahead and do it! But how good of a driver are you? Is your car tuned? You gonna do the work needed before the race? (front sway, TIRE PSI .....) Just my $ .02

P.S. Might want to take off the Edelcrock j\k