i was coming home from a car show (35th ave and union hills.. for u AZ people). i was doing about 65-70 in the fast lane.. its about 1230 am, no traffic... and i see a ws6 doing about 55-60 in the slow lane. (we had to be right around t-bird) well i dont really care seeing how i havent "street raced" in forever, and keep driving. he speeds up, gets besides me and revs a bit.. so i think, do i want to race or not.. he sounds pretty mean.. but i say, what the hell. so i put it into D and let the RPMS sing. well we go on, more like he goes, and i just nail it... i took it up to about 145 and he was a good 3 cars behind... so i slow down back to 70 mph and he comes up besides me again... well, he wants to race again!! so i said to myself.. ok, 1 last time. and we go.. but this time around 130 mph.. my tranny wont shift into 4th. the engine was at 6700 rpms, and the tranny still hasnt shifted (usually does around 6000-6100 rpms. i had about a car on him, but when it wouldnt shift, i backe doff the gas, nailed it again, still nothing, and he just ended up walking me cuase i couldnt go into 4th.

by now he was getting off on glendale, and im back to doing 70 in the fast lane. when i got off on camelback, the tranny would shift into 4th with no problem. so now i have to see y in 3rd my tranny doesnt want to shift at WOT (yet it did when at 120 mph when i was at the track :mad

oh yea.. i forgot to mention.. i never had my bottle turned on/open.. i was just N/A. It makes me want a remote bottle opener now though :lala: :lala: :lala:

 

sweet man, but i dunno how smart it is just leaving ur location out on the boards....

 

true... il change that.. lol if ur in az, and dont know where some races r.. PM me

 

Sounds like you have one helluva car dude! LS1s with nitrous are no friggin joke, usually ~425-450rwhp with 100shot and boltons or upwards of 500rwhp with 150 shot. However, I don't doubt you beat him with your setup just wondering, why'd you decide to go with a TPI setup on a 406 that you're revving close to 7k?

 

If he was using nitrous and you werent I'm gonna call , but if he wasnt using his nitrous I completely believe the story so good kill.

 

I don't think a 406 is making 399rwhp WITH 150hp of n2o Going out on a limb, I'd say those numbers are off the juice, so it's certainly possible. Also, I don't think a guy that's been here since '99 is going to bs too much

 

He said the ws6 had nitrous. Sorry but even a stock ws6 with nitrous will make over 400 hp. he also said he wasnt using his nitrous. So if both cars were off the bottle ide say its very possible for him to take the ws6, but if the ws6 was on the bottle, even if he was stock there is no way he beat him sorry.

 

Not every ls1 makes over 400hp with nitrous.. but commonly it is the case. Did you consider gearing, weight, or driver skill when 'knowing' that he couldn't win?

It's possible for him to beat an ls1 off the bottle? With those numbers, he would rape, RAPE, just beat a stock ls1 senseless. 400rwhp ls1s trap ~115-118 in the 1/4. Compare this to stock speeds, which range generally from 106-109. There is no comparison. It would make sense for him to trap 126 on the gas if he's making 400rwhp off of it. Even if he didn't spray and the ls1 did, there's a perfectly good chance the outcome was the way he described it. 3 cars isn't that much if you race all the way to 145..

Don't be so absolute in what you 'know' will happen. I used ot have a friend who SWORE her stock 3rd gen rx7 would rape my camaro. She found out differently.. 1) anything can happen on the street and 2)you don't know everything nor does anyone else and 3) you weren't there.

 

He ran a 12.3 at 126 using his nitrous, which by the way seems a little slow for that mph. He said in the story he wasnt using his nitrous because he didnt even have the bottle opened. He also said the WS6 was a bolt on car with nitrous. The WS6 SHOULD be putting down around 500 hp. A 400 hp f body versus a 500 hp f body i no contest. There is no doubt that if both cars were off the bottle he would win, but if the ws6 was truly using his nitrous i think the ws6 would have won.

 

damn.. i dont check back in a day and by the reading all the accounts, i was spraying and still lost??!!?!?


ok to clear somethings up..

mtx28: i went with the TPI setup (modified ofcourse) becuase of the power band range of the new TPI set up and the cam's range... it gave me better #'s for the power band hat i wanted. LT1/minirams didnt do anything power wise till 6500 rpms... i jsut wish the new tunnel ram was out a year ago when i did this engine, but i may do it now, but want to see the #'s it puts out first. as far as the 7k thing.. the engine was not built to go near 7k.. the cam is for 6000 rpms.. not 7000. i was saying that in the 2nd race... the tranny wasnt shifting into 4th.. and i was at 6700 rpms.. so the tranny should have shifted well before 6700 rpms, but it didnt, thats y i let off the gas, got back on and it still didnt want to shift.

as far as the race.. the WS6 WAS spraying.. I was NOT spraying.. my bottle was not turned on and i dont have a remote bottle opener.

as far as my hp/tq #'s.... they are all N/A. i just got the nitrous put in around 11/02.. and i did the dyno pull almost a year before i put the nitrous in... and thats when the engine only had a 2000-3000 miles on it... and i only had 26lb injectors. since that dyno pull i have added 30 lb SVO injectors, bigger headers, bit bigger cam, cut-outs, 15x10 cragars/ET streets w/ rim/tire screws to get the slicks to 10 psi, and the nitrous kit (havent put in the 3.73's yet.. so the 3.42's r still in there). SO i can/will say im making well over my 400 RWhp and 440 RWtq by now. i havent done a dyno pull with the spray yet.. im waiting for the car club im in, www.AZFBA.com , to make one so i can go.

my 12.3@126 WAS with the spray though. the video i have from that club day shows my ET streets just spinning to their hearts content the whole way down the track... but thats prob cause i forgot to set the psi to 16-18.. and not have forgotten to check the psi (it was the last race) and when it was over.. and i checked the PSI, it was at 27.. so go fig. now that the wheel/rim screws r in.. i know i have a better shot at actually getting into the 10.9x's like my ETA shows.

ill prob go to this race spot they go to next saturday after the car shows to see if hes there and if he wants to go at it again

 

What do you think you would run without the nitrous?

 

i did a run without nitrous.. but again.. didnt check air pressure (i must have been retarded that day) but with a horrible 60" (didnt heat up tires either) i ran a 12.7@116.

 

Either way you have a fast car. I'm sorry for making it seem like i said you were a liar. Thats not what i intended for it to sound like. All i was saying is a bolt on ls1 with nitrous should have beaten you without you being on the bottle, but who knows. Either way good kill.

 

... well i knew where u were coming from. in the car club im in, one of the LS1 guys jsut broke into the 10's (10.91@124mph) with bolt-ons and 150 shot. and there is another guy that is an all bolt on n/a running 11.5's (forgot his mph). i think(know) that if i would have remembered to check my tires psi, i would have had a good chance of being in the 10's myself.. if not low 11's.

 

Is that all you are on these boards for is to call BS on any story relating to a 3rdgen smoking a 4th gen???

 

so you know you were not spraying and you know that the WS6 WAS spraying. i would say the LS1 on spray (unless its like a 25 or 50 shot) should have won. i would think the LS1 on spray is putting down more power then your car NA. you would think the LS1 with bolt-ons is putting down about 330 RWHP (maybe more) and lets say a 150 shot. thats mathematically 480 RWHP.....

 

theory is a long way from reality. it seems from your post that you don't have too much experience with either ls1s or highly modded (TPI 400ci) 3rd gens.. probably not a good idea to tell people with those cars how fast they theoretically are

 

Seeing as almost every nitrous kit is rated for flywheel horsepower, a 150 shot would actually be closer to 120-125 hp at the wheels. And it depends on what bolt ons, 330 hp at the wheels is 400 at the flywheel. Seems a bit extreme to me if bolt ons are just a whisper lid and a catback...

 

400rwhp with an auto tranny is pretty impressive. You'd get about that with an auto LS1 with bolt ons and a 100 shot.

So if aziroc is actually over 400rwhp now, (don't forget the mountainous 440+ torque at the rears...) lets say 425 it could certainly happen. Who knows.

Still if you didn't talk to him, you don't KNOW he was running no2. Could have been just a hotter cam thrown in with the bolt ons, or maybe a full heads/cam car and such...

 

so the auto trannys eat up almost 100 hp?

 

yeah i was wandering this too, how do you know for a fact he was spraying at the time?

 

AZIROC,

You don't have to wait until AZFBA does a dyno day. Check out AZSR, one of your fellow members (Sterling) is throwing a dyno day on 3/22. I am finally going to find out what the new 385 does. If the tune doesn't look too bad and I don't have issues with the programming, I am throwing my kit on the car that is sitting on the floor (NX plate system). One of my buddies is bringing his h/c LT1 too.

Drag that hoopty out to Street Flight and dyno it. You can't beat $40 for 20 minutes (not sure what the additional charge is after the first 20 minutes). This comes with Sterling's assistance with tuning.

I would head out to Sonic but I have a wedding on Sunday to go to.

Also, how do you know for sure the LS1 was on the spray, did you see a purge or talk to him afterwards? What color was the car?

 

Yup... 15-20%...

if you take 500fwhp minus the drivetrain (15-20%) you get the ~400rwhp..

depends on the condition of the transmission and tqconverte ect.

 

i saw the AZSR people r having a dyno day, but those guys are jsut a bunch of *******s, and i dont really want to drive for over an hour to get to the dyno place to hang out with them till its my turn.

 

you're prolly right, but that seems a little high to me, oh well

 

 

so lets just say in theory then I have a car putting down 1000hp at the wheels that means I'm losing betwee 150-250hp?
but put the same drivetrain on a different motor putting out 150hp I only lose 22.5-33.7hp

for some odd reason that doesn't compute

 

 

Just wanted to say I very much believe his race.

I've raced 2 LS1's with spray, first was an '01 WS6 with a 125 shot. It was my best friend, only mod to the car was Nitto's, and it was an auto. I took him off the line by almost 2 lengths, he claims it was because he didnt go full throttle. He pulled probably 1/2-1 length on me by the end of the 1/4.

Other race, '02 WS6, heavily modded, 150 shot. This car had everything, heads, cam, long tubes, cold air, stall, 12 bolt, gears, Nittos. first race was from a standstill, no spray, he wins by oh about 4. Second race, now this was strange, was from a 40 roll, still no spray, he only takes me by 1/2 third race, 20 roll, he sprays, annihilates me. about 8 lengths.

Now I'm only running around 400 crank hp, and so far have gotten a best track time of 13.1 @109. If aziroc is running low 12's, then he should have beat the LS1 anyway.

 

You say you had 2 carlengths on an ls1 with nittos off the line and your best 60 foot is a 2.0???? Ummm i find that hard to believe. An LS1 with nittos can easily pull sub 2 second 60's all day long. Then you say he only had you by less than 1 car length by the end of the 1/4??? Even a stock ls1 with 125 shot of spray should be trapping well into the teens and you only trap 109. Something doesnt add up here

 

ok, did I not say that he didnt go full throttle to keep it from spraying in first? therefore, if he's not at full throttle, I'm able to pull 2 lengths ahead because I didn't spin at all. Then, since I'm already 2 lengths ahead, he had to play catchup. See where I'm going with this? Its called a street race, **** never adds up.

 

I guess crazier things have happened on the street. All things being equal that shouldn't have happened, but oh well.

 

Hell I wish I had video of the races with the second WS6, now that was crazy. The guy told me he dyno'd at 440 at the wheels off spray, yet somehow I managed to hang within 1/2 car up to around 100??? :shrugs: oh well, it was still fun as hell.