Theoretical and Street Racing Use this board to ask questions about street racing, discuss your street races, and "who would win?" questions. Keep it safe.

Grand AM?!?!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Apr 22, 2003 | 07:27 AM
  #1  
microtek_10's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 165
Likes: 0
From: Marshall MN
Car: 92 Z28
Engine: 355 tpi
Transmission: 700r4
Grand AM?!?!

Ok, this guy at work has a 99 grand am GT. For some reason he thinks it's just hella fast. He was goin around sayin how he'd beat my car so i just threw out the first thing that came to my mind. "wanna run em for 50 bucks" now i really don't like racing for money but this guys has nothing goin for him. He's 28, dating a 17 year old and he's just cocky and dumb. He says that his ground effects really help his handling....so i mean should i race him with the 92 camaro or not???
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2003 | 07:31 AM
  #2  
ontogenesis's Avatar
Supreme Member
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 1,641
Likes: 1
From: Las Vegas, NV
Car: 1985 Camaro, 2015 Audi A4
Engine: V8
Transmission: 700R4
i got a friend with a grand am that raced me when i had the 305/700r4(slipping some) (165hp) in the car. It was a 99gt, and it was not even a race man, he tore me up bad, several car lengths, they're pretty quick for what they are, i've seen him smash a few early 90's 5.0's
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2003 | 08:30 AM
  #3  
FruityOne's Avatar
Supreme Member
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 2,967
Likes: 0
From: Elk Grove Village, IL
Car: 1989 TransAm GTA
Engine: One sweet modified 355 TPI.
Transmission: The kind that shifts....
The Grand Am GT's are pretty quick for their size, they'd certainly stomp on the new celica's and pretty much most of the stock compacts in its price range. Then again there are always faster cars.

I think they run low 15's, not sure cause I haven't read up on them. This is just what I've heard. I haven't read any official stats or anything.
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2003 | 11:15 AM
  #4  
BigErns90IrocZ's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 379
Likes: 0
From: Ohio
hh, this brings me back to the glory days of my 85 Iroc. Some kid was with his **extrememly** hot g/f and was ****ing with me on an open road. Well, as I am one to impress people with my sleeping beauty, the Grand Am GT punches it, I go maybe 1/2 maybe a little more, and keep completely even with him(this had been from a 40 mph roll) and at about 60 the light starts to change a head of me. I slow down as does the Grand Am. The chick has her window down and says that I am about to get my *** whooped. Fear rippled through my body at the thought of going from a stop with this monstorous Grand Am, until I remembered I am packing a probale 13 second 305. I just smile and say she has to flash me if I win, she just looked at me and smiled. So the light changes, and I still fondly remember the smell of roasting Firehawks from that night. Well, I am going 3/4 throttle and even with me roasting my poor little Firehawks, I am still pulling on the Grand Am. Crossing the intersection I have a car on him, and am pulling and then at about 45 he is maybe 2 cars back. I shift my car out of D into OD and am hitting my upper powerband when I see the Grand Am start making up some ground. Oh, so the little **** has to spray not fair, so I will even it out, I then go WOT and start pulling on him even more. Shut down at about 85 or so and I have 3 cars on him. I slow down and the Grand Am pulls up beside me and the chick gives me a thumb down . I was just laughing because she thought the Grand Am was fast, I mean he sprayed a 75-100 shot and I still pull 3 cars on him, that is sad.
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2003 | 12:35 PM
  #5  
CrispyClutch's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 272
Likes: 0
From: Arcata, California
Wow that whole 28 dating a 17 year old thing is just funny. He must really be lacking substance if he has to pick on girls like that. Not to say that I wouldnt do the same thing.

Anyway I forgot what I was going to say besides that. *steps out for a mountain dew* mmmm dewy
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2003 | 12:47 PM
  #6  
Cruzin Kaz's Avatar
Supreme Member
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 3,331
Likes: 0
From: Welland, Ontario, Canada
Car: 85 Monte Carlo SS...
Engine: T.P.I L98.
Transmission: TH350
Axle/Gears: 3:73 Posi
They are pretty quick, but it will come down to the drivers....
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2003 | 03:10 PM
  #7  
microtek_10's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 165
Likes: 0
From: Marshall MN
Car: 92 Z28
Engine: 355 tpi
Transmission: 700r4
These cars only run a mid to low 15. They aren't that fast. I raced one a while back that didn't even stand close to me. I'm running pretty close to LT1's right now. And we both have autos. you think i should race for the 50 or what? i forgot to add that i have a 355 with a 700r4.
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2003 | 03:46 PM
  #8  
88ROC1LE's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 507
Likes: 0
2000 Grand Am GT with the Ram Air b.s and auto tranny ran a 9.7 in the 1/8 with underdrive pullies and borla exhaust against me. If you are quicker than that and he's not spraying, you've probably got him beat.
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2003 | 08:11 PM
  #9  
microtek_10's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 165
Likes: 0
From: Marshall MN
Car: 92 Z28
Engine: 355 tpi
Transmission: 700r4
It's a 99 ga GT and i think it's got ram air. It's bone stock. He claims to have a chip of something so he has no governor, and says he's had it to 140
in either case this isn't goin to affect his 1/4 mile time.
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2003 | 08:32 PM
  #10  
BigErns90IrocZ's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 379
Likes: 0
From: Ohio
I doubt he could hit 140. It would take a miracle of *** for him to hit 140.

I would think that the ram air GT's could hit mid 15s, 175 HP and 205 Torque in a 3100 FWD car with an auto, that would be mid 15's I would guess.
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2003 | 09:37 PM
  #11  
BadBowtie88's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 970
Likes: 0
Originally posted by microtek_10
These cars only run a mid to low 15. They aren't that fast. I raced one a while back that didn't even stand close to me. I'm running pretty close to LT1's right now. And we both have autos. you think i should race for the 50 or what? i forgot to add that i have a 355 with a 700r4.
What do you have done besides a 355...not that it matters. Dang dude, no offense, but, give me a break. If you have enough to run with LT1's, then go take this moron's money, and then come tell us about how bad you beat him
Reply
Old Apr 23, 2003 | 02:16 AM
  #12  
86budgetSC's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 258
Likes: 0
From: Festus mo
I have been wondering the same thing.


My ex girl freind had a 99 grand am GT.I used to drive it all the time.I guess I forget how quick.


I have a 1969 chevy 1/2 ton truck.It has a 350 with a comp cams 270h cam,edelbrock RPM intake and 600CFM performer carb.Also has 3:73 rear gears and a 3 speed column shifted manual.


My manager has a 2001 grand am SE.And we have a race for 50 bucks.


Anyone guess who will win.I am think she will.Shifting that 3 on the tree quick and getting it right is a pita.
Reply
Old Apr 23, 2003 | 10:00 AM
  #13  
BigErns90IrocZ's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 379
Likes: 0
From: Ohio
You have a 3 on the tree? My freind always jokes about those.

Dont worry, if you lose, you can always run over her car.
Reply
Old Apr 23, 2003 | 11:51 AM
  #14  
afterburn's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 197
Likes: 0
From: Arnold, Maryland
Car: 1986 IROC-Z
Engine: LG4
Transmission: Rebuilt 700R4
The 99 Grand Am GT has 175HP, is FWD, and weighs about 3,100 lbs. That makes for a low 16 second car. If you look at the 3.8L Monte Carlos, wich put out 200HP, they pull 16.2 stock and weigh about 3,500 lbs. I'd say the Grand Am is a tad slower.

Also, look at the Grand Prix GTP, which runs 15.3 stock and has 240 HP...just as another comparison. I'd say that if you have an unmodded 305, you'll take him slightly; but if you have mods, or a 350 you should walk him easily.
Reply
Old Apr 23, 2003 | 03:08 PM
  #15  
86budgetSC's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 258
Likes: 0
From: Festus mo
Originally posted by BigErns90IrocZ
You have a 3 on the tree? My freind always jokes about those.

Dont worry, if you lose, you can always run over her car.
Yup I got a three on the tree.If those motor runs alright.I will be changing it to a 4 speed on the floor.
Reply
Old Apr 24, 2003 | 11:15 PM
  #16  
microtek_10's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 165
Likes: 0
From: Marshall MN
Car: 92 Z28
Engine: 355 tpi
Transmission: 700r4
ok, today at work i see this guy walkin passed. I yell "hey man when we gonna run em?' he's like "i don't know, sometime" So i'm just like "o come on, when" and he snaps back with "why, do you really wanna lose THAAT bad?" Them fightin words. Once i figure out what wrong with my car, he's goin down.

Speakin of the broken car. I have a back Tickng sound. Mechanic said proably the flexplate. Well with a cracked flexplate, will the car vibrate at all? Cuz from about 1500 to 3000 the car will vibrate if i'm on the gas. Thanks for any help.
Reply
Old Apr 24, 2003 | 11:49 PM
  #17  
hydra512's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 50
Likes: 0
From: milwaukee, wi
i was surprised at how fast the grand ams are. i raced my friends 99 gt and it was pretty close. his front bumper was at my rear bumper/ middle of my car. i would think they are mid to low 15's if i a still running the same times i was at the track a couple weeks ago.
Reply
Old Apr 26, 2003 | 12:42 AM
  #18  
Black363IROCZ's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 318
Likes: 0
Car: '88 IROCZ
Engine: 363 Vortec w/Miniram
Transmission: built 700r4
a 3.4L grand am is a low 15 second car, I've seen them mutilate many a Civic Si owner. Funny as hell too! it's a different world man, a stock 3rd gen isn't fast (unless it's a TTA) these days, especially the 305s. need to start modding and motor swapping to keep up.
Reply
Old Apr 26, 2003 | 09:17 AM
  #19  
86transamws6's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 312
Likes: 0
From: Westminster, Ma Blairsville PA (Wyotech)
Car: 88 IROC - 86 Trans Am
Engine: L98 Carbed - 350 Carbed and boosted
Transmission: auto - T5
ahhh, street racing and 17 year old girls...life is good
Reply
Old Apr 26, 2003 | 04:47 PM
  #20  
firebirdconv92's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 385
Likes: 0
From: North West Indiana
Car: 2001 Silverado (I miss my 3rd gens)
Engine: 4.8
Transmission: 4L60E
What's up, hey I just looked up the performance stats on a 1999 Grand Am GT and they say that on a hard launch they will run a 16.50 @ 84.3 mph. Also, they say that not governed, the theoretical top speed is only like 130. Push that in his R. Kelly face! :sillylol:


www.car-videos.com
Reply
Old Apr 26, 2003 | 07:01 PM
  #21  
BigErns90IrocZ's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 379
Likes: 0
From: Ohio
I would think that the Grand Am GT would be able to run a stock Civic Si from a stop, but once they get going in the higher ranges, the Si will win because the GT with fall flat on its face cause of the fuel injection. What r^icers dont understand is that Hondas were not made for stop-light to stop-light racing unless they have a power adder. Most Hondas make there power at top end, not low end. So seeing a Grand Am GT mutilate an Si from a stop is plausible, but higher speeds I would put my money on the Si.
Reply
Old Apr 26, 2003 | 10:59 PM
  #22  
Black363IROCZ's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 318
Likes: 0
Car: '88 IROCZ
Engine: 363 Vortec w/Miniram
Transmission: built 700r4
Originally posted by BigErns90IrocZ
I would think that the Grand Am GT would be able to run a stock Civic Si from a stop, but once they get going in the higher ranges, the Si will win because the GT with fall flat on its face cause of the fuel injection. What r^icers dont understand is that Hondas were not made for stop-light to stop-light racing unless they have a power adder. Most Hondas make there power at top end, not low end. So seeing a Grand Am GT mutilate an Si from a stop is plausible, but higher speeds I would put my money on the Si.
lol, hondas don't have power with turbos either, at least not down low, they need to spool their turbos for that extra boost to send them through the 1/4 at an astonishing high 14 seconds lol. highway racing is lame but yes, an Si would take a grand am from a 40 mph punch. but that's not drag racing lol.
Reply
Old Apr 28, 2003 | 02:05 AM
  #23  
mpitts77's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 68
Likes: 0
Dunno....I raced a newer riced up civic si..with my 92 RS..with really bad blow by.. =D. At least I think it was a si..only saw the back of it for a few seconds
Reply
Old Apr 28, 2003 | 09:55 AM
  #24  
Azure's Avatar
Supreme Member
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 1,319
Likes: 0
From: "No one cares if you're in before the lock!" - Best quote ever.
When I'm 28, I don't imagine I'll think other 28 year olds are hotter then 18 year olds....
Reply
Old Apr 28, 2003 | 11:16 AM
  #25  
Black363IROCZ's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 318
Likes: 0
Car: '88 IROCZ
Engine: 363 Vortec w/Miniram
Transmission: built 700r4
Originally posted by afterburn
The 99 Grand Am GT has 175HP, is FWD, and weighs about 3,100 lbs. That makes for a low 16 second car. If you look at the 3.8L Monte Carlos, wich put out 200HP, they pull 16.2 stock and weigh about 3,500 lbs. I'd say the Grand Am is a tad slower.

Also, look at the Grand Prix GTP, which runs 15.3 stock and has 240 HP...just as another comparison. I'd say that if you have an unmodded 305, you'll take him slightly; but if you have mods, or a 350 you should walk him easily.
umm, magazine racer. I ran a 15.7 in my folks 2001 Monte SS, and all the GTP owners I know are running 14.6-14.8 so...
Reply
Old Apr 28, 2003 | 06:59 PM
  #26  
BigErns90IrocZ's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 379
Likes: 0
From: Ohio
Well this must be a new trend, because the people I know with GTP's(4-5) were busting low 15's on average, 2 of them had hit 14.9's but that was under good conditions. Factory freak GTP's might bust 14.6's but that is less than 10% of GTPs. I raced a GTP with my freinds TGP and from a 45 mph roll, plus he had a jump on me, I was a fender up on him at about 70-75.

How is highway racing lame? Gee you know I do get a real rush going 0-60 on the streets then slamming on my brakes . That is so exciting. And to get a real good challenge for a fast car try to go highway racing. I saw an LS1 that thought he was the shiite get smackdown by a Supra. Was fun. I used to both stop-light race and occassionaly a highway race.

It all depends on what you like I guess.
Reply
Old Apr 28, 2003 | 08:05 PM
  #27  
Black363IROCZ's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 318
Likes: 0
Car: '88 IROCZ
Engine: 363 Vortec w/Miniram
Transmission: built 700r4
Originally posted by BigErns90IrocZ
How is highway racing lame? Gee you know I do get a real rush going 0-60 on the streets then slamming on my brakes . That is so exciting. And to get a real good challenge for a fast car try to go highway racing. I saw an LS1 that thought he was the shiite get smackdown by a Supra. Was fun. I used to both stop-light race and occassionaly a highway race.

It all depends on what you like I guess.
only a complete idiot would race from a stop light to 60 MPH in traffic. How about racing from a dig on a 1.5 mi straight away in the boonies? that's how we street race where I'm from. a Highway race is clearly geared towards a top end car with a manual transmission, most 3rd genners using TPI wouldn't run on the highway well; they'd never stand a chance seeing as how most of their power is formed below 4800 rpm. highway races don't prove anything but how good top end is. In a drag race you need to know how to launch, you need to have a good low end to get out of the hole fast and decent top end to keep the lead, highway racing is what import people do cause they can talk smack about how they kill all V8s in their 14 second turbo car on the highway, until a solid roller 8 cylinder walks on them from 60 like they were standing still IMO, a real drag race is done from a dig and incorporates being a good driver and the entire powerband of your car. lol, supras always like to run from highway punches, while their turbo is spooled, and their IRS isn't struggling to hook up well, that way they can deny their car only really runs a 13.0 in the 1/4 when they cruise along side an LS1 or "walk" it.
Reply
Old Apr 29, 2003 | 04:15 AM
  #28  
halflife52's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 85
Likes: 0
grand am GT's are nothing special. sounds like the guy doesn't know what he's talking about. he's just talking smack to make himself seem better. Give him a rude awakening, microtek.

and a 28 year-old dating a 17 year-old is just plain sad. you have to be desperate as hell to do that.
Reply
Old Apr 29, 2003 | 09:22 AM
  #29  
BigErns90IrocZ's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 379
Likes: 0
From: Ohio
Things are rahter different here. The only boonies that are big enough are out by the GM plant in Lordstown, like over a half hour away.

I would love to go from a stop to a 1.5 mile run with another car that could have matched my Iroc. The only problem is that most of the kids in my area are either really slow, or take out their parents car. I have seen a s/c LT1 Formula running around occassionaly, but I dont want to get raped that badly .

I started to go LT1 hunting once I got my car with all the bolt-ons but I couldnt find any .
Reply
Old May 1, 2003 | 07:16 PM
  #30  
BigWhiteGTP's Avatar
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,043
Likes: 3
From: San Diego
Car: 1994 Trans Am
Engine: LT1
Transmission: Auto
Axle/Gears: 3.23
[i]

Also, look at the Grand Prix GTP, which runs 15.3 stock and has 240 HP...just as another comparison. I'd say that if you have an unmodded 305, you'll take him slightly; but if you have mods, or a 350 you should walk him easily. [/B]
Sorry to burst your bubble, but please don't rely on mag times to make your car seem faster. Stock GTP's run between 14.5-15flat. If you get worse than that, you can't drive our cars. Factory freaks are around 14.1 or so. With less than $300 you can have a high 13 sec car. With a $1000 invested in the right parts you have a low 13 sec car.

Also, a friends wife has a 2000 GAGT it ran a 15.3 bone stock. Again, don't magazine race unless you know better. Obviously you don't.

I'm not a troll either, I've had my share of F-bodies. I've loved every single one of them. I just couldn't deal with the constant repair bills. If you don't believe me PM me I'll be more than happy to tell you about my firebirds and my GTP.
Reply
Old May 2, 2003 | 06:41 PM
  #31  
BigErns90IrocZ's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 379
Likes: 0
From: Ohio
I have yet to see a GTP run a 14.1(it is plausible that a factory freak could do it) stock. I raced one in my freinds TGP from a roll, may not be their strong point, but raced from 45 or so to 75 and I pulled a fender on him. And the TGP was rated at 205 hp and 215 torque, most of them run 15.3s. So GTP must not be good from a roll.

Magazine times are usually just a general idea of what the car can do. So, I could understand lower times because a person is a better driver, better track conditions, but I dont see a .7+ sec difference in the average times of a car. Of course, some magazines shouldnt be payed attention to, like the one that got 14's out of an LS1.
Reply
Old May 2, 2003 | 06:41 PM
  #32  
BigErns90IrocZ's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 379
Likes: 0
From: Ohio
Also, you say that the GTP should at least high 14's, so how does a the Grand Am GT that makes 75 less hp and torque run only .3 or so slower than the GTP.

The 83 Z-28 L69 ran a 15 flat and that is with RWD, 3.73's, a 5spd and 190 hp and 240 torque.

Last edited by BigErns90IrocZ; May 2, 2003 at 06:45 PM.
Reply
Old May 2, 2003 | 10:58 PM
  #33  
BloodRedDragon's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Jan 2000
Posts: 110
Likes: 0
From: Pennsylvania (near Philly)
Originally posted by BigErns90IrocZ
Also, you say that the GTP should at least high 14's, so how does a the Grand Am GT that makes 75 less hp and torque run only .3 or so slower than the GTP.

The 83 Z-28 L69 ran a 15 flat and that is with RWD, 3.73's, a 5spd and 190 hp and 240 torque.

GA GT has 3.29 ratio and weighs about 3100 pounds. GTP has a 2.93 ratio and weighs about 3500 pounds.
Reply
Old May 2, 2003 | 11:52 PM
  #34  
BigWhiteGTP's Avatar
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,043
Likes: 3
From: San Diego
Car: 1994 Trans Am
Engine: LT1
Transmission: Auto
Axle/Gears: 3.23
BigErn, you're right L67 GTP's aren't the best from a roll, we get tons of KR up top because our SC's let off so much heat and have such a ****ty intake. Actually if you take a bone stock 3.4 DOHC GTP and a 97+GTP and race from a roll around 50, the 3.4 will take the 97. However, from 0-60 is a different story. GM underrated the GTP's torque, we have more like 325lbs at the crank, not 280. In fact, 267lbs is at the wheels, but because of our tranny and tq conv, our cars aren't the easiest to dyno correctly.

If you don't believe me about 14.1 factory freak GTP's then go to Clubgp.com and do a search. Just like most cars, you have to know how to drive these cars to get good times out of them. Whatever mag got a 15.3 out of a GTP needs to learn how to drive. Probably the same mag that got 14's out of an LS1
Reply
Old May 3, 2003 | 01:16 AM
  #35  
Black363IROCZ's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 318
Likes: 0
Car: '88 IROCZ
Engine: 363 Vortec w/Miniram
Transmission: built 700r4
Originally posted by BigWhiteGTP
Whatever mag got a 15.3 out of a GTP needs to learn how to drive. Probably the same mag that got 14's out of an LS1
I believe that magazine was either Road and Track or Car and Driver, they are the biggest bunch of incompetent lamewads to ever get behind the wheel of a car. Who the hell runs a 13.0 with a Z06, a 13.2 with an '03 Cobra, and a 15.1 with a new GT???? Hell, Motortrend got a 15.3 out of the n/a L36 monte SS.
Reply
Old May 3, 2003 | 01:38 AM
  #36  
Traveler's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
I'll second that.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
69GTOby
Tech / General Engine
40
Apr 18, 2016 02:34 PM
88SS6SPEED
Engine/Drivetrain/Suspension Parts for Sale
7
Nov 11, 2015 07:05 AM
meeklay812
Camaros for Sale
1
Oct 1, 2015 03:46 PM
tgp1990
V6
1
Sep 4, 2015 06:24 AM
mrdevontay
Body
0
Sep 2, 2015 08:04 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:27 PM.