A co worker of mine just picked up a 96 Eagle Talon TSi, and has been talking a lot of trash lately about my car. My car has the peanut cammed 305TPI Auto, 3.23 gears, a/c delete, smog delete, and no cat. Stock i know he could take me but right now i'm putting in a LT1 cam, and headers. I think i should be able to take him, but just wanted to hear what you guys think

 

I have faith in your american V8 I think that you'll win.

 

Is his car a stick? Is it awd? and does he have anything done to it?

 

most Tsi's are AWD

 

If its an AWD I thnk your in trouble.
If it has ANY mods you are going to be in big trouble
I would talk to him about it a bit more first....the cam and headers will help alot...I don't know how much though

 

Traction will make or brake ya if he is stock.

 

if he is stock or modded mildly but can drive it just yet you can win but if he is modded and can drive it he will probablly take you down good luck though

 

Heres the scoop.
TSI means the CAR has AWD

Those cars with an exhasut and crank up boost t 14psi. with bleader valves.
Which almost everyone puts on ther car!
His car would be pushing anywhere -250-310 horse!
H lauchs it a 5500 rpms and there will be no tire spinage due to his 4wd.
He's more of compution for a LS1., I would not race him for cash!
But for fun why not..

I have owned about 3 of these cars. And heres about how fast I think they are..
All lightly moded... with exhasut and boost control valve.
A DSM NON turbo front wheel drive. Is about as fast a stock to lightly moded third gen.
A DSM 2wd and turbo.. About as fast as a lt1..
A DSM 4wd with 4wd. Will beat almost any other car of the line on the street due to traction.
Also its about as fast as ls1s on the top end.
Aslo not that you have to know how to launch these cars right. It took me about 3 years to get it perfect, So if he dosn't know how to drive you could beat him.
Its a fast car he has but you have to ask yourself about how good of a driver do you think he is?
Have fun.. and remeber no cash bets! Its really Almost impossable to tell what kind of mods he has.
Fast86

 

DSM's are not to be taken lightly. I raced two yesterday at the track. The one ran a 14.7 and then we raced again after he cranked up the boost and he ran a 13.8. The other Talon ran a 12.93 in street trim but has run a best of 11.03 in race trim. I wouldn't put any money on it.

 

A non turbo FWD DSM is no match for any LB9/L98 car.

Stock, a 2WD or AWD DSM is a decent match for an LB9/L98 car, and no match for an LT1/LS1 car.

 

All I know is, as of June 2003 I respect DSM's.
A few guys from Ottawa came down, one in a black 96 LT1 trans am, headers, etc. The other had a 2001 camaro LS1 6speed.
They both got their doors BLOWN off by a 92 TSI. No one knew what was under that hood but it idled perfectly smooth and was ULTRA quiet.

 

Yeah they are fast cars when modded. A few came to our track, some where in the 13's and some where in the 12's.

 

TSi could mean awd or fwd in 1st gen dsms. Don't underestimate them especially on the street.

 

I would worry more about modded LS1 cars than DSMs. An LS1 car with a nitrous kit and some bolt ons will do a lot more damage than a modded DSM on pump gas.

 

Hell a NON turbo DSM is no match for an LO3.... I ran one at the track (1/8th mile).. The guy asked me to give him a headstart since it was test 'n tune night... so i gave him a 2.8 sec headstart (looking at the reaction times on the timeslips) and I still passed him at half track. He ended up running a 13.183@58.37MPH..... Please tell me how that is as fast as a stock or lightly modded thirdgen.

I also ran a 2nd gen DSM turbo FWD at the track.. he had slicks up front, and def. exhaust, (I don't know what else though) but again I toasted him he was somewhere around 10.3...

I have also run numerous DSM's on the street and I still have yet to find one respectable... I know there are fast ones out there, but none to find around here.

Dave

 

There are 2nd gen fwd TSIs.

 

friend of mine had a front wheel drive tsi with cranked up boost, forget what it actually was now, but he ran a 15 flat in the low 90 mph zone before he blew the thing up due to running lean.

 

That's why you don't give morons access to the engine bay of anything bigger than a matchbox car. Let me guess.. "Stock boost gauge IS SO accurate!! Says I am running only 12psi!"

 

with the 2nd gen talon there are tsi's which are fwd and there are tsi awd which are awd i'll have to say if he is stock and knows to drive he will give u a run if he has few mods he will take u. i have been around these cars for 2 years now my best friend has an 11 second 97 eclipse turbo fwd, i have helped him go from his 16 second 1/4 stock (he has an automatic) to his 11 seonds now. i have seen the mild modded, meaning intake exhuast, fwd run high 14's and awd run mid 14's u give those tubo cars more air and let more out the love it

 

I had a '90 Eclipse GS (turbo, FWD, 5sp) - exhaust, intake, boost +2. It wasn't near as fast as my L98 A4 w/ K&N and exhaust.

 

My friend has a 95 Tsi AWD. He had filter, MBC set at 15psi, no cat, catback, intercooler pipes, and a 1st gen BOV. About $400 in mods. He ran a 13.71@95 with it. There are VERY quick off the line, and pretty stout up top. I used to beat him with my GT pretty good before the SC but I trapped 100-102. He got a car or so off the line but I hook hard with my Nitto's on the street (did without SC a least!). I would pull back even then put a few cars on him up to 120. Are top speeds were real close though, just over 140mph. The main thing holding them back anymore are the stock T-25 turbos. My other friend has a Eclipse GST (GSX is AWD). He now has a larger Big 16G turbo set at 16psi and it hauls! Easy 105 or so trap speeds. Once he gets bigger injectors he will be bale to run 18-20 psi and trap over 108 easy. They are cheap to modify and make fast, but $$$ to fix if they break.

 

A friend of mine is lookin at a 90 (?) Talon tsi. Its the turbo AWD 5spd car. He is hell bent on getting out of the f-body theme, went to a DSM tuner site and immediately began trash talkin bout me my bro and my friend who has a 1le Iroc. Says he will hand us our *****. Unfortunately for him the car has 120,xxx miles on it, the clutch was supposedly replaced, and the boost guage reads at around 2 psi (yes 2).

He says after a tune-up and any other repairs, he will have a solid 13 second car. He cant drive the GTA he has!!!!! I am almost ashame of myself due to the fact im gonna put a hurtin on this boy at the track, but it needs to be done.

But thats gonna be in the spring, he doesnt have the car yet and the track closes in a week for the winter. By then, my 91 will recieve headers, runners, SFC's and maybye a set of 1.6 rr's

 

I know all too well about how drivers play a big roll in these cars. I also knew another guy in highschool with a 97 gst and that car was worked over big time. He had a super 20g turbo with just about every imaginable modification done to it. That car was a beast from a roll, but he would never race from a stop. I think the reason was because he ran a 14.2 in the 120 mph range, lol. He just couldn't launch the car to save his own life.

 

good *** a car with a 20g should run WAY faster. you are right, Captain No-Launch.

TSi AWDs can be made into stupid fast cars for cheap.

The 4g63t is a very stout engine able to put out large numbers bone stock.

With good driving and tune, you can spend about $1200 (performing work yourself mind you) and run well into the 12s all day

I always wanted to wire the boost gauge in mine to actually show boost (versus a gauge pod and an aftermarket gauge), not that heinous "estimate" that they gloriously rigged it up as (wtf was on their minds)...but the car was stolen, oh well, hehe.

Hot Rod has a mid 8 second Talon in there this month. stripped interior, but still. With full interior, it'd still be a 9 second street car I bet...

Never know what's coming with a DSM. If it says GSX or TSi AWD, be wary. the FWD turbos are highway terrors, though.

 

A very good friend of mine has a 99 Eclipse GSX 5-speed (AWD turbo) W/21,000 original miles, bought new. Bone stock the best we could get out of it was 15.1 1/4 mile. After changing: upper intercooler pipe, g-reedy(?) blowoff valve, broshur full exhaust including down pipe, air intake w/k&n and clutch (ebc or atc something like that, best one he says) the best we could get was 14.7, --threw on a manual boost controller and got a 14.4 BUT that was the BEST times we got, and you could hear the turbo/blowoff valve 2 lanes away while on the street.

He's since added a frankenstien turbo w/ external wastegate (I really don't know much about these things) larger intercoller, injectors, fuel pump and fuel pressure regulator and his best time is 12.4 at 20psi, pretty damn fast.

But as far as cheap, no way, and he did all the work himself except for when 2nd gear servo went, that cost him $2000, and theres no aftermarket heavy duty servo, just stock with better bushings.

 

The 99 is part of the 2nd gen Eclipses...they are not nearly as cheap to modify on a stock for stock basis as the 1st gens where...if I remember correctly and I know 89Formula383 will correct me if im wrong (he owned one) the 2g's have crappier heads, a 13b turbo, and a plastic blow off valve stock vs. Better heads, a 14b, and a non plastic toy blow off vavle. I love my V8 as much as the next guy...and my *cough* H-6 *cough* too. But you can have a 1G in the 12's for less than 1.5K easy...no way in hades on a 2G though. Not bad for a 4 banger.

 

Wow ...A 99 GSX 5 Speed AWD w/ a 2nd gear servo blowout he says? ...didn't think manuals had servo's...but automatics do, prolly acounts for another reason your pals 99 DSM was less than standard in terms of DSM 1/4 time for the money invested. Love to have one though to tinker with.

 

2gs had a T25 and required a turbo upgrade sooner. 1g manuals had a 14b. Autos had a 13b and required turbo upgrade sooner as well.

there are "free" mods you can do to 1Gs that can't be done to 2Gs, but not many. no, i will not going into them here.

it can be done, i'm sorry your friend had such trouble. There are certain thigns to do in a certain way, in a certain order to maximize results. such as using a 1G BOV versus aftermarket (2G cars only) What was the boost setting at with the manual controller? 5 psi?

Please refer to this for quick, painless, DSM staged tuning. Maybe a bit more money, depending on overall parts choice. Keep in mind, that a 12s slip would be with great drvier, good tune, and good setup.

Never heard of a servo on a manual, though, must be for those "extra hard shifts" when your arm is feeling a little tired?

 

As a said above, my friend 95 Tsi ran a 13.71@95 with a cheap press-bent 2 1/2" exhaust, stock downpipe, MBC set at 16psi, upper and lower IC pipes, 1st gen BOV crushed, K&N kit, free mods, and thats about it. Total of like $400-600 in mods.

 

Sorry, it was a syncro, my mystake. And by the way, thank you for so kindly/sarcastically pointing it out for me.

And If your so in LOVE with the GSX's, sell your car and buy one, then you can tinker with it all you want

 

He is just pointing out the REALISTIC performance that is attainable with them. If you friend did all that stuff an was in high 14's...he needs to hand the keys over to someone that can drive!

Heck, my friends GST FWD ran 14.7@96 with just free mods and stuff. That was with traction issues...

 

Actually with "ALL THAT STUFF" his best time overall was a 12.4, and I did state that. (actually when I was talking to him yesterday he said he ran a 12.2 this year) And after reading from the website someone so kindly posted, he would have attained more HP from just going to a 1st gen blowoff valve rather than the upper intercooler pipe and aftermarket blowoff valve.

 

Im sorry ator, I wasn't trying to be evil or anything, just making a funny...I apologize if you took it personally. And about purchasing a DSM, I would buy one...but im out of garage space and none of my current cars are going anywhere...unless I wreck one.

 

I did take it personally, but it's no problem. I don't know too much about those cars other than what my friend tells me and the times I see him run. I did know it was a syncro not a servo, I just didn't realize I said servo by mistake until it was pointed out, but it's no problem.

 

im srry to say but i think he'll take you off the line and you'll have troubles catchin up til the end of the track!.....that is if its AWD......2 of my friends have talons one is AWD the other FWD and the FWD cranked up the boost and i took him due to his traction problems......but the AWD talon...when i raced him he took me off the line and i never pulled ahead til high end of third gear. there is no doubt they are fast cars!...i have respect for them, if its FWD id put all my cash on u but AWD u may run into troubles....good luck though!.....comeback with some good results