I just saw a classic car and driver report on a road runner with the 426 hemi that made 425hp. They ran 0-60 in 5 flat and the 1/4 in 13.5 on skinny old radial tires bone stock. Imagine what a good set of tires would do for those times. They spun the whole way down the road.

 

and since when would you build a car to pick up chicks?

Sorry not me....

 

It's a production car. And a little foot note, the SS 454 ran low 12's, roadrunner was actually running in the low 12's as well. The point is, no matter how fast the Neon is, It just doesn't turn heads like a musclecar. If two cars fly by me One is The neon, the other a 69 Roadrunner, I ain't even gonnna GLANCE at the Neon! It'll be junk in 20 years, the Roadrunner will be in a Museum (Along with the 69 CAmaro!!!!!!!!!)

 

lol you still don't get it do you? You're comparing apples to oranges....OF COURSE people would look at the roadrunner or any other muscle car for that matter...

That's NOT the point of this thread...never was.

Fact is that lowly Neon is faster than most cars GM and Ford make

 

You show me where any "true" off the showroom floor ran 12's. There are none. The best times I've ever seen for a 70 LS6 was 13.1. Same thing for a 70 Hemi Cuda, 13.1. Only a handful of cars ran in the 13's completely stock. Most were upper 14's like the Z28 and GTO's.

Sure you can make them go into the 12's with relative ease, but they didn't come that way from the factory. Just like my TTA. For $50, I was running in the 12's. That doesn't mean it came that way from the factory.

 

COPOs don't count as "showroom" as they were never on any showroom floor

Also, we're drifting off topic here guys. Discuss appearance on the Appearance and Detailing board. Keep the discussion thirdgen related.

 

Ok, the SRT Neon is faster than most thirdgens

How's that?

 

just wanted to say
read your PM's

and I don't build/buy a car to impress others
I'm secure enough about myself to buy something I want
I don't care what others think

 

Trouble maker

But third gens look better

 

How's that? Actually, that's great. Someone finally spoke the truth. Too many people diss the newer cars because they are just 'neons' or just 'subarus'. These cars are faster than a stock thirdgen ... and they do it with ABS, multiple airbags, awesome crash ratings ... and even AWD (subaru). If you are a true car lover you can see performance where it really is. I hate r1ced-out hondas, tiburons, etc. But, when a company does get it right and makes a fast production compact car (SRT4, WRX, etc) you have to give props and respect ... or else you're just being closed minded. My IROC runs mid 11's. But, guess what? I've already considered parting it out or selling it as a whole in order to buy a WRX STi. Why? Because it has 4 doors (great for baby seats), Front and side airbags, an awesome crash rating, AWD (you can drive in the snow), and it is 300hp stock. The WRX STi would crush any thirdgen in the stoplight races. AWD allows it to do that if the driver of the car is a good driver. Dump the clutch at 5k on an STi and any thirdgen will just see their bumper (on the street). Don't get me wrong - my IROC kicks ***. But, even though it pulls 1.6's at the track ... it is useless on the street. I can floor it and shift into third with the speedo registering 90mph but with my car only going like 2mph - rofl. RWD cars just cannot plant huge power on the street. It's just a fact. Who cares if my car is fast at the strip. In a stoplight race from a stop I would lose depending on how far up in the mph we are racing. An STi will kick *** and do it with AWD, great safety, family appeal, HUGE 4-piston brakes, a heavy duty 6 speed, a turbo, and a suspension that puts stock IROCs to shame. This thing is EASY to get into the 12's and 11's aren't far away.

Tim

 

Im gonna totally agree with trek. A neon is no comparison to 60s-70s factory muscle AND muscle of today. Yes it may be decent. But like he said put a few turbos on our cars and theyre into 9s..

Nate

 

Ummm I didnt see anyone dissing the STI. Id love to have an STI over ANY 3rd gen. The facts you mention+its speed is awesome. I have yet to see anyone on this board call the new STI a ***** car. Cuz frankly it isnt. Its a respectable car. That pulls 13s from factory. I dont think the Neon deserves as much credit as the wrx cuz well Neons dont have a reputation for being fast. The wrx does. Plus it looks a hellavalot better!..


Nate

 

Nicely put Tim

 

C'mon, you should've figured that out after meeting me at the Thirdgen Nats

 

"Any thirdgen" or any stock thirdgen?

I've run a new STi with a decent driver. I lost because of the launch. After I hit second gear I regained some of his lead. At 100 he had me by a car length. A car with more power would have no trouble taking a stock or mildly modded one after AWD loses its advantage (after 1st gear usually). Although non-thirdgen, I've seen several bolt-on LS1 cars on DRs lay the smack down after 1st gear on well driven STi's.

Your car runs great at the track, but doesn't on the street. That's common, but I've seen high powered 10 second RWD cars pull the tires on the street laying waste to 11 second AWD cars. Your BFG's aren't cutting it on the street.

 

ddn69- I am not trying to argue, but when you say a wrx has a rep for being fast, or course it does. An IMPREZA, does not. a WRX is a package for the impreza, so when you say a neon does not have a rep for being fast you are right, but an SRT4 DOES have a rep for being fast. Get what I am saying?

 

no he probably won't get it

 

I dunno i've never had a problem with an LS1 in my WRX until i'm well into 3rd gear. Of course that LS1 was in the 12.5 range in the 1/4. STi blah blah blah..they're beautiful cars but more than one has seen my tailights. Fear the modded WRX's instead of the STi's cause they have a good aftermarket supporting them wheras the STi does not(yet). If you don't believe me on that one..the fastest WRX right now which is also still streetable is right on the 8 second border wheras the fastest STi is owned by Godspeed inc. and is going 11.6's or so.

 

I think I'll end the thread here.