allright heres the story; my friend has a 1990 Beretta "GTZ," he said its a quad 4, i don't know anything about his car because i don't f*ucken care about it. i feel this way because he talks sh*t all day long . i have a 86 IROC and he thinks he will walk me from a roll and smoke me off the line . now for the specs...

1990 Beretta w/ quad 4 : 5 - speed manual
170,000 miles (still runs good)
bone stock

1986 IROC-Z w/ 305 TPI : 4 - speed auto
65,950 miles
SLP runners
K&N filters
Hooker cat-back

WHO WILL WIN, HOW BADLY?

 

compare the 2 cars.

your car (i'm assuming that it has an LB9... i dont think there were any other 305 TPI's in '86...)

- 190 HP
- 285 TQ
- ~3800 lbs.

his...

- 180 HP
- 160 TQ
- ~2800 lbs.

Keep in mind that he'll probably get the launch on you because of his 5-speed and 1000 lbs. weight advantage, but the TPI is a torque monster and will quickly take care of that, by the time he shifts into 2nd you'll be in the lead.

One very important thing that u left out though... what kinda gears do u have? I don't think it'de matter anyways, you've got this race. I'm just curious.

 

prof:



i think my car is closer to 3300 pouds and i have 323 or so ill check the codes. :rockon:

 

woo hoo, I Quad 4. 2.3 liters of GM terror... or something.

From what *little* research I did at http://www.beretta.net I think they run high 15's. If his is stock with that many miles, I bet he's in the 16's.

 

i really what to smoke this tool. :rockon:

 

i told him he's in the 16s, but he said,"i got a new clutch which will put me in the 13s." but befor that i told him my car probebly runs high 14s (with good 60's) i think it could with the K&N filters, SLP runners, ported plenum, and Hooker cat-back. but this kid is a true r!cer!

EDIT: i'm a senior member now......... YES

 

Sounds like a kid. Let him talk his talk, then give him a good rev, then put a little money down to scare him ($20 or $30) and youll have him grinding gears all the way down the road. If your scared of a beretta then i suggest you get rid of the F-bod and get one. Not flaming or anything but you gotta have more faith then that.

 

i'm not scard of a stupid f****ing r**er g*y beretta it's just at my school every one likes g*y r*cers and pick me to talk thier sh*t to. it makes you think when every one talks sh*t all day long.

i need to move. but r*cers are every where.

you know what r*cers are like no matter how much prof you show them that their cars suck they don't give up talking sh*t.

 

The point is it's a freakin' Beretta. They are NOT anything worth sweating over. At best, it's a mid 15 second car. Just run him and shut the kid up..... and tell us what happened

 

170K Beretta, that speaks for itself.

Good luck and kick some ***

 

Youll beat him if you have any idea of how to drive your car. But thats not what you want you want to kill him and shut everyone up. I suggest at least getting headers and a high flow cat that should put you in the 14's and then youll leave him in the dust badly and hopefully shut him up. Good Luck.

 

Snag a mild cam like the 204/214 dur@.050 cam Summit sells for under $100. Your 86 has the dreaded peanut cam, you'll pick up quite a bit by upgrading there. My 86 IROC's 305 TPI runs well with that cam. That and some headers should help you out with the stang that "raped" you in your other thread too...

 

haha you'll take him no problem with the 3.23 (not that you wouldnt anyways.) Your right about the weight too, idk what i was thinkin lol. curb weight is 3145 lbs. with a 4 speed. Show everybody at ur school whatsup and smoke this guy. and put money on it.



BTW - Nice car, looks incredibly clean in that picture.

 

but an lb9 is

 

damn man. KILL HIM. I have Novembers GM High Tech and a guy with a 90 GTZ has a K&N, ported up and lower, ported TB, weight reduction, exhuast and a honed manifolds(I think this is correct, I am doing this off of memory) and he ran a high 15. No way will he get even close. Launch her and take it for the win.
It will not be close, especiall with it stock and that many miles. Don't worry have faith in the good ol'e LB9. It could be worse he could have a Evo, WRX or a SRT4. Right? Have fun.

 

Damn its not GM High Tech that has it in its readers rides. Its one of the Chevy only mags.

 

I was gonna say! I was looking all over the thing, and I couldn't find it. I don't think it was Chevy High Performance either. It might have been Super Chevy though.

 

is what? 5.0 liters of GM terror?

 

I used to have an 86 LB9 3.23 IROC, a good freind of mine nad a 90 GTZ 5-speed at the same time. We raced several times and the outcome was always the same, he would get about a half car on me coming off the line then I would creep buy him before the end of first gear and keep going. Mine was stock so you should win buy another car link or so (on top of 3-4 I usually put on him).

 

I think you should def. get him I have an 86 iroc with ported plenum 3.23 gears, hooker cat back and 212/218 cam and I ran a 15.0 on a hot *** night after a couple hour drive to the track.

 

Where do you guys get these ridiculous weights for our cars like 3800 pounds??? I have cast iron heads and a 10 point roll cage and my car weighs 3025 pounds without driver.

 

My 01 is 3460 half tank of gas w/o driver.

 

Thats mighty light Unknown_host for a 82' in "street trim". Or is it stripped?

 

My rock is 3500(give or take a few) my bird is 3480.

 

The carpet and interior plastics were out to do the cage when I weighed it, but before the cage it weighed sub 3025 with full carpet and interior. This is a non smog, carb setup. Only fiberglass is the hood.

 

Sorry but off that sub. Unkown, how much weight can i lose stripping everything interior except the dash and 2 front seats? The carpet weighs alot?

Beat the GTZ in front of everyone and settle that. Then you wont have to worry about anyone saying anything after that. If he's stock or even has minor mods youll still get him. My 91' 120,000 mile GTA run's a 15.20 with a 2.30 60' in 90* weather and 80% humity here in the mid south. My 60' sucks b/c the tires that wear on it at the time were 225/60/16 off a 00' V6 bird' and they were almost completley bald. I can pull a 15.0999999999999 with my new tires and free mods. He's gotta do everything perfect (launch, shift, "drive") to get even close. Just because someone has a 5 speed doesnt mean that there ALWAYS gonna launch and shift it perfectly everytime. He'll be so nervous that he'll prolly' tear the trans. out of the car. Anyways Good Luck

 

thanks here is more... :lala: :lala:



heres a close up of the paint........... yes my dad is a cop.

 

so i'm talkin to the *tool* and he said his car and his dads 305 nothing 87 monty carlo "SS" will beat my car so bad ill cry. i'm like WTF !!!!! your dads car is bone stock with 200,000+ miles, GO F_UCK YOURSELF YOU ***!!!!!

EDIT: i posted that he is my friend, not any more.

 

Oh no watch out for the mighty LG4 or L69(well L69's are pretty damn potent in some cases). WAX him already and tell us about it. Take his dad and his GTZ out to the same road and wax them at the same time. Beat them both and tell to get a third gen next time.

 

i know how todrive my car. plus i got some new rubber (as seen in pics) which is very sticky, with my power challenged 305.

 

his dads car is the WHITE TRASH KING ! w/ four different rims and did not move from the garage in 2 years! it has no windsheald ether! o yea four flats too.....

 

i keep seting dates and money but he is a r!cer with the same old . i whanted to race in the spring, when the snow and salt is gone but ill race him whenever now! i tell him to set the time and place, and bring money too all the time, but still the same old .

i am pretending like he is going to win just to give this tool the ***** to race too!

it is very hard to lie like this.

 

You know another cheap thing I thought of that you can do for cheap is get a set up 1.6 roller rockers. This should raise the lift on your cam like .25'' or so and that should shave a couple tenths off of your qaurter times as well. with that and the headers and cat youll have a pretty quick little 305. Good Luck man.

 

no need for the cheap mods. why? because i am getting a 350 put in . but that is not it the 350 will be a stroker 383 . that is not it eather the stroker 383 w/ forged internals is geting a blower too! don't forget the nasty nasty cam :rockon:



that is a next winter project tho .

 

Just thought I'd put my .2 cents in. Here is some Beretta related Multimedia.

http://www.beretta.net/behind_the_wheel/multimedia.htm

Rex, who drives a white 92 GTZ is in the 12's now with his Quad4... although he has some "upgrades".

Quick GTZ/Quad4 info. The 1990 GTZ's had 180hp and the best overall off-the-line gearing that was available in a GTZ. Although, a 1990 with 170k on the clock can't be doing all that well.

I get tired of hearing about these GTZ races all the time. I've seen BONE STOCK GTZ's do high 14's and slightly modified ones in LOW 14's. They are not the fastest cars, but certainly with the right drivers, they can be/are much more than 15-16 second cars.

Here's the way I look at kids like the one you want to race:

He's driving an old ***, not worth alot of money car, that has 170000 miles and to top it all off, its not rare (1 of around 16000 in 1990) and has the old, ugly *** interior (1991+ has the newer, much better interior).

Now, there were only about 3000 total GTZ's made from 91-93 with the Quad4 (93 being the most rare at only 693 total Quad4 GTZ's).

If anyone on this board has any other Beretta questions, kick em my way. I was on Beretta.net as an active member for alomst 5 years and have learned about all I can about them.

 

That they suck and are a waste to mod a girls car... That's all anyone needs to know. Sure, you can make anything fast, but why bother with a Beretta.

Most everyone could care less about Rex's 12 second car because it takes a lot less to get third gens there.

 

It takes less than 1400$ to get a thirdgen into the 12's? Sign me up!



I guess at that price we should all be there.

 

A L98 anyway. I personally have never read about or seen a GTZ in the 14's. The best I have seen is high 15's. I have seen them here with mods getting into the 16's thats a 15@sealevel. I don't know, they don't seem very fast maybe they are, but they are not stout "stock" performers.

 

Basically using junkyard stuff seems to be a big hit... I forget these things since i've moved beyond that. I haven't been to bnet for a bit, so I don't remember much about his car. Before I go running my mouth, I probably should research it a bit more...

http://www.beretta.net/behind_the_wh...bo_project.htm

That's ONLY on the engine/turbo build. Don't give us that crap about only $1400 bucks.

Even if you wanted to say it was $1400, how many Beretta's run like that? Like 1. Not everyone is going to have a "quick" Beretta, even the original mid 13's were less than stellar by todays standards. Just like people say about the SRT-4... it's still a Neon.

It's funny when browsing bnet looking at all these kids who think they have some sort of fast car, when in reality it's a peice of junk that GM put by the wayside (hell, the same can be said about the f-bod, go figure). Seriously, if you mod a Beretta, you have no sense. Get a real car, or lose the ***** and grow a vagina.