i know stock these cars suck stock but with the common engine swap they pull around 13's.

a guy wants to race me in his CRX he said they they just put a stock motor in it but i didnt ask him if it was from a crx or if it was a bigger engine but where do you think it would stand against my 305 tpi if its the stock motor?

 

Dont underestimate a well built CRX.They haul A$* and Ive been smoked by quite a few

 

HAHAHHAAHAA, no seriously. hahahahhahaha.

You aren't serious are you? CRX's are not fast. They can be made fast, if you wanna put a turbo or GS-R engine....but they aren't fast if mildly built like most are. If he has a stock engine w/ minor bolt-ons, you should beat him pretty bad.

 

Thats what I meant,a modded out CRX hauls A$*.I know stock or even some few minor bolt on CRXs are slower than my LG4

 

yea i know crx's stock are slower than **** and i know that they can be made fast. im sure that i can beat him if its stock. but a kid i know has a civic hatchback with a gs-r motor in it and its running mid 13's and that basicly the same thing as a crx

 

Most of those ricers will call their car stock if it's got an engine swap from another honda or acura. so they could drop in a more powerfull engine and still call it "stock"

 

Just race him and if you lose get yourself a real car!

 

Listen to this guy cause he actually knows most ricers and can take an accurate census on what most of them do.

Anyway, with a 305 you might be looking at a hard time with any CRX that has anything but a D-series motor in it. Unless that D-series motor is turbo, which will also be bad for you. I ran 15 psi on my motor that was 'stock' so you never know what he means by that.

 

well its simple, ull beat him unless hes lying to you bout his car. if you dont beat him, get a 350.

 

Get a 350 anyways #@!$%^&* a 305

 

u should read my sig

 

aaaahhh, build that 305 and go 350/lt-1/ls1 hunting! mines already beat a 99-00ish camaro ss

 

Your car is freakin awesome mw66nova!!! You're my role model!!!

 

aaawwww shuuuucks maaaan! thaaaanks!



watch out 350 crowd, with my new tranny/converter combo and some traction (coming late march/early april) your gonna see a daily driven 305 go DEEP into the 13's if not touch on some 12's. i got the power, just gotta get her down the track!

 

Ok, the top model CRX had 108 horsepower. Enough said.

 

They also weigh at least a thousand pounds less than the lightest Camaro. I think that horsepower number is wrong though.

 

Add an H22 to that CRX, and you're toast if he doesn't break somthing. Heck, add an LS motor to it and you're still toast (or an F22...pretty much anything but a D series). NEVER underestimate a Honda...no telling how fast they are, seriously. I ain't speaking form a V6 owners' standpoint, I'm speaking form a Guy who has taken rides in modded Hondas. My Girlfriends H22 Prelude would DEVASTAE a 305 TPI....just boltons, nothing else (phased cams soon, as well as a little device I'm utterly jealous they never made for our cars..the VAFC(AFC in our case) )

 

I did a LOT of research because at one time I wanted one. According to my sources, the SI had 108 from the d16a1. (engine code may be wrong though, I cant remember)
Yeah, they're lighter, but one of the reasons I didnt buy one was because the SI I test drove felt slow as heck, and I hated the clutch and the shifter. THey just felt too lo-po for me, and I felt like I was going to break it if I powershifted wrong even once... Jusy my opinion though.

 

If you beat that car, then either you are running 12's, or his car had something SERIOUSLY wrong with it... or maybe he REALLY REALLY sucked at driving.

Those cars CAN and HAVE pulled a 12.9x in their stock form. Don't believe me? fbody.com.

Don't mean to start anything, just wanted to clarify for those who don't know about 4th gens.

 

i know how fast those cars are, and i never once implied he was a good driver. non-the-less, my 305 powered 87 sportcoupe beat a 99-00ish SS. my car also has a lot of top end charge (100mph for a 13.7 run). once my car has the proper converter (sitting at the shop now) and a shift kit (sitting at "other" shop) with some slicks (sitting in someones shop, LOL) than there is no reason i shouldn't put down some LOW 13 second passes, which would be well into stock LS1 territory and i haven't spent hardly any cash getting there.

www.cardomain.com/id/mw66nova for specs on build.

 

You don't need to run 12's to beat any ole LS-1 just because a few people have run 12.9s.

 

true, but even the bad LS1 drivers trap higher than what his car does. his new mods are only going to help his launch, not add any power. at the track he may dispatch stock or lightly modded ones due to his low 60fts which will produce good E/T. but on the street when the slicks come off, and theres no VHT prepped concrete launch pad, hell be seeing LS1 taillights due to his low trap speed

 

heh, good thing i don't street race!

 

That's right, SI model. Torque was even less impressive. Good for high 16s at BEST.

If anyone here is worried about any CRX with the stock engine, turbo or not, you need a reality check. They've become the new 5.0 around here, and there are plenty of examples to pick from. Even at around 2300lbs, they'll need an engine swap just to keep up with most of our cars. There are several B18 T3/T4 cars running around here, and most struggle to keep pace with a stock LS1 car.

Whats the world coming to when a mediocre econo-$hit box gets respect from performance enthusiasts?

I've seen John Deere's haul ***. Should I start respecting them?

 

I've seen John Deere's haul ***. Should I start respecting them?

 

Hah,!you got any video of that?

 

Sounds like you need to recheck your facts. That's what I was running and never had a problem with any stock LS1 cars.

 

dude i got a crx si and their light as light can be. IT's fully guted and its just sumtin to mess with at the track. I'm guesen with its 110 hp its somewhere in the 15's so with an easy motor swap yes 13's is very likely. THeir the only fwd car i would race out. Good luck

 

Facts are straight stu. Boosted cars fair better up where you are, but here at sea level, the playing field is more even. LS1's run strong here, and typically trap at least 105. I've seen stockers trap as high as 108. And after barely getting beat by a CRX (blew my launch and never recovered) with the above stated combo, I did my research. Race gas and big boost aside, they need a good bit to run well.

82knightrider - ESPN2 sometimes shows mower racing. After seeing it on TV, I had to watch an event live. It may sound like a joke to you, but these guys take it very seriously...

 

True, you could beat an LS1 with your car, not saying you can't, but the driver has to suck. LS1's trap hiiiiigh.

Not trying to start anything, just talking

 

Stock LS1, old new, LOL just kidding around!

As far as a Civic goes (CRX) they are really hard to seperate these days. They are just like the 5.0 Mustangs, they all look similar, you never know if it runs 16s or 12s. And Im sure as most V8 owners, you guys expect a 16 out of them, when you probably should expect better, in this day and age!

From what I understood weather affects boosted cars more. I dont know about stricktly altitude, but I do know one weekend a guy in a Lightning ran 12.3s, and my car had gone 12.5-12.6s, then another hotter weekend he was going 12.7-12.8, same as me, 12.7-12.8! Im sure altitude affects cars different then just heat and humidity, but then again I am not sure!

Ill leave with what I always leave with, dont underestimate the competition, overestimate them, and be prepared to lose. You go into races like this, and you rarely get disappointed!

 

at stu's altitude, N/A cars lose a full second and about 10mph in the quarter. boosted cars only lose half that

 

Yep, that's about perfect. That's why I loved to line up against Corvettes. Too bad only a few of them were ever stock.

 

same.

 

back when my car was a LB9 I beat a crx with what they said was a gsr motor with a full exhaust I left him at the line spinning but he did start to catch me but it was to late

I also have a friend who had a crx with an integra ls motor and it was SLOW

you should beat him but if you go from a roll it's in the air

sorry had to post this

 

I've never seen that one before.

 

this is kinda adead issue here but sorry guys, 305 TBI engines are slow.. My daily driving stock 99 buick century beat one by a car length. This camaro had exhaust, basic clean running tune up, K&N, no cat, MSD. It was my brothers...hahahaha anyways, 305 TBI are just as slow. compare to a crx even witht he D series engine.... 1/4 mile wise i think crx would catch up. Now if we are talking any kind of swap, forget it. B16.B18 K20's or 22.. it dont matter. Few people have a crxs out here. i ran against a CRX in my TA i got now and won by 3 car lengths. It had B18 all motor then he got a turbo and towards the end of same race he started to catch up but still lost. its all about that traction. If that crx doesnt red line it the whole way through 2nd, i think he could take you.

 

Yea, swapped CRXs and Civics can be really fast. My friend just put a B16A in his 89 CRX, all stock JDM motor, only thing it currently has is a 3"(I think) exhaust sytem. Raced my brothers friends LT1 T/A and kept up pretty well, the T/A has gone 14.2. We predict the CRX is in the mid-high 14s with just the swap and exhaust. Hard to get traction in that thing, may be due to the cold weather also, but it pulls good up top, shifting at about 8k! He plans on goin all motor, hoping for high 12s-mid 13s and then throwing a 75-shot on it. Will be pretty crazy, those times sound about right to you stu?

 

yeah those B18 rev 9500!!!!!!!!1 but under load in gear they hitting 8200 at shift points with a rebuild. CRAZY !!!!!!!!

 

Yes they wynd up nice but really don't have much torque, at least compared to a nicely modded V8.

 

I see there are lots of varying opinions out there so I figured, coming from one who's driven one of those ricers I'd give my $.02.

My ex has a Honda Civic CRX Csi -- it's got a 12-valve engine in it, don't know any specifics, but it was the one and only year (1985)(according to him) that they allowed this type of engine to be imported to the US. He's done some work on it, replacing the suspension and brake system with an Acura's and has been a good customer of Jackson Racing out in California where they've been "2 Fast 2 Furious" 15 or so years before the movie came out...my ex did his car about 13 years ago. Anyway -- I've raced and have easily beaten a Vette -- pulled away from him like he was in park, and he was the one revving and wanting to show his stuff (got beat by a GIRL! ). One of these Csi stock engines with some simple mods and you never know...but I did it, so I saw it with my own eyes.

Those cars are light, take off quick and feel like you're driving a bullet. I'd take him up on it, but I'd be prepared to have to eat a word or two if you've told him "no way." I don't know what he's done to it, but I do know that under the right conditions, with the right "stock" engine it can be done.

Never underestimate a ric*r -- even if you don't like them or are just used to the stickers and chrome posers.

 

welcom fggb but i doubt that this kid has what your ex had or has. and yes sometimes the stickers are there for their sponsers but thats like 1 in a million

 

Here's some specs I found online re: the CRX "Si" not CSi as I stated before...

Engines: Si: 1.5 liter I4 91 bhp @ 5500 rpm, 93 lb-ft @ 4500 rpm.
Performance: Si: 0-60 in 8.7 seconds, 1/4 mile in 16.2 seconds.

Just to give you some stock stats. (or is that just TMI?)

 

Yeah, doesn't sound too bad. That three inch exhaust is WAY too big for N/A though. I wouldn't go over 2.25" myself. I bet it sounds pretty crappy. lol

 

I actually think it may be around 2.25 or 2.5, there has just been so many people telling that they put 3" exhause on their car lately I may have got mixed up. Because ya know, even people I know with v6 Mustangs need 3" .

 

on the right CRX, a B16 swap with bolt ons (headers/catback/cam gears, etc) can go mid low 14's. 160hp and 2300lbs can move well... add a 50 shot and can go 12's if conditions are right...

thats what alot of the honda boys are saying over at honda-tech....

know your enemy..... stock h22 in a crx is a beast, yet its considered stock....

a 305tbi will have major problems... it doesnt take much to go low low 15's in a CRX which will run with 305TBI's and some TPI's

anyway, if you go to a 350 block, might as well go 383 since stroker kits are same price as 350 kits for the most part... just alittle more machining. go with more inches and more torque
thats whats best!

 

 

not too shabby for 91 hp..

but, lets face it, Most hondas will lose to Most 3rd gens...

some hondas will win, some 3rd gens will lose... hold out hope!.lol..

 

Just get more performance Mods its fun and why not?

 

Compare liter sizes and horsepower to domestic econo boxes and the laughter stops.