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I was reading a story in a current issue of TURBO magazine that had a toyota supra that claimed 800+ to the wheels. The owner said with 800+ it was good enough to beat Stock Suzuki GSXR1300 Hayabusa's. Is this a good measuring stick? I have a friend that has a 2004 GSXR 1000 and he says the 1000 is only 5 to 10 hp off the Hayabusa so what do you think?

TexasLT1

you need considerable "stones" to take a bike, especially from a roll. Sufice it to say, there are probably only 1 or 2 people on this entire board that would be able to take down a liter bike. 600cc's are a little easier, but you're still going to need 500+ hp against a well-riden bike.

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I hear ya. But i figure if your going to down that road then go all the way. That is unless the bike is turbocharged itself. then forgetaboutit.

paul_huryk

The lower the speed, the more of an advantage a bike has over a fast car. As you go faster (above 140 or so), aerodynamics catch up to a bike a lot faster than a car.

Think of it this way - a Hayabusa runs in the high 9's at 140+ in the quarter and tops out at 195 or so. A car that runs the same in the quarter would be able to get into the 230mph range (like the twin turbo LS1 Vettes).

PhAnToMs

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that dude with the white supercharged camaro that took forever to ship and then got it raced a gazillion cars blew his engine raced one i forget the outcome

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So just for the sake of conversation if I produced 1000+ at the crank in my 92 camaro and we had no traction problems, would I have a snowballs chance?

kairles

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I play with bikes(mostly the new R1's) all the time on the high way in a C5. around 70mph to 110ish I car keep up but after that they pull FAST

I seen a video of a supra that killed a 'busa on the highway it was black and said it had like 900hp

04 gixxer is close in hp(only down about 5-6hp) but is lacking torque(about 20lb-ft) its also geared different. the 'busa was built for 200+mph. but to take down any bike 750 & 1000 would take some power but bikes like the 'busa, ZX-12, and the blackbird all can hit 200mph with little mods(some easier than others) to take one down would take a lots of power and then some

I say you and you friend go for it and film it

TexasLT1

with 1000+ crank, you would take out all but the most insane turbo bikes

Orr89RocZ

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i seen a vid of a stang with 1000 hp on a twin turbo setup racing a nitrous'd hayabusa from a dig, and he had about 2 car lengths on him at the end of the distance they raced, which was about a 1/4 mile.

i seen a big bore nitroused hayabusa lose to a single turbo Supra from a 60 mph roll. that supra had to have 1000hp

most modern day 02-05 600 up bikes are capable of 10's at 120-145mph....... so for a car to handle them from a roll, thats 11 seconds and better... and in a 3000-3500lb street car thats 450whp to hang near 120 mph in the 1/4 and more like 500-600 to hang with the small bikes and again, a bit more to handle bigger bikes.

1 DwnCam

I think the biigest problem from a car perspective would be traction out of the hole. That would make or break the race. We'll see what happpens after my motor is fully tuned what kind of H.P. were producing.

But it sure sounds like a lot of fun.

87TPI350KID

Who cares about racing bikes, the power to wieght ratio is ridiculous on them. Making a car fast takes alot more talent.

305RSlc

Very true, but pushing any modern sports bike to the limits of what it can do in straight line acceleration also takes a ton of talent. That's the one most defining factor in racing a bike. The guy could have a 230hp busa that had the ability to run 7's in the 1/4 but if he couldn't ride worth a crap then it wouldn't matter. Go so some motorcycle forums and you'll see guys on there with "slow" 600's stomping on squids with liter bikes. So it just depends on the ability and skill of the rider. However, most cars are going to need 500+hp to hang with any inline 4 cylinder bike.

HorseflyDF

If you want to see a movie where a muscle car takes
on bikes you can watch first Mad Max movie where Max
has an Ausi Falcon XB with a blower its pretty cool.

He runs down the bikers but its not real..hehe
The Falcon didnt even have a real blower was just for
show but the effects are good, when the blower
spools up.

2QUIK4U

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I bet the guy who owns this camaro has the stones to race anything on the street..... http://videos.streetfire.net/Player....C-B905DDA5580F
I taped this at the car craft nationals last weekend. You need a high speed connection to see the video, but i will tell ya what he had..
It was a 2002 "NICKEY" camaro SS. It had a small block 427 with a turbo. Im not sure of the PSI, but it was fully equipped with working a/c and fuel economy of 24 mpg... It was a daily driver also!! His tires were p315 40 18's. The first dyno pull, the car started burning out on the rollers at 100mph!!!! Needless to say that he spun the rollers to the tune of 1011RWHP and 988lb ft of tq!!!!

I wish i had 24 miles per gallon.

1 DwnCam

Now that's what I'm F***'N talkin about!

stu

Now who was saying that they thought V8's should use superchargers?

Anyway, why does it sound like it's got a lopey cam?

ShiftyCapone

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I agree with everything said here. If you go over to www.ls1.com you can watch a few videos of heads and cammed LS1's racing all sorts of bikes.

Bikes are deadly fast but some people can't drive them very well. There are more 12 second crotch rockets at the track than 9 second crotch rockets.

I have seen a few videos of turbo busa's and they go 250mph. The acceleration is insane but they didn't have track times. 1000hp may be enough to beat one in the 1/4 but anything other than a 5 second drag car would have a tough time beating one. The viedo I speak of has the bike going from like 120 to 220 in less than 3 seconds. Oh and it was doing a wheelie the whole time.

stu

I've seen that video and a couple others like that, it's freaking awesome.

ShiftyCapone

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I have it if anyone can host it.

1 DwnCam

What section of LS1.com are these viedeo's in?

I am sorry, my PC is causing me havoc and accidently editing peoples posts.
-Shifty

ShiftyCapone

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Typically they are in the "street racing board" but you can commonly find outrageous videos in the anything gfoes forum. You will have to wait a few days because it appears they are doing a server overhaul. Just try a search for "turbo busa".

Orr89RocZ

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check out Streetfire.net

they have lots of bike vids doin acceleration runs. that will get you a good idea what they are capable off.

another guy on another forum just ran a kenne bell cobra at 15-16psi with his GSX-R 600 from a few roll speeds. The cobra was only a car length back. the whole time. that same cobra raced a procharged 9psi Z06 and beat it. i would like to think the cobra should have lost that one but w/e. that vette put down 572whp. so, just to give you an idea how fast you need to be to catch even a 600 bike.

1 DwnCam

That puts things in perspective.

slohand

i dunno, after watchin that video i feel well.......humble. shesh!! 1010 HP!!!!!

anyway i have raced bikes, what the heck worst u can do is looze.

ran some guy on what i believe was a 750 something about 4 months back. left the stop light and we nail it about the same time. i was suprised he didn't drive away. i was close behind after he hit second. man you could hear that bike roar.

of couse when he missed 3rd and i shot past him it got pretty quite. wow, i didn't know bikes could rev that high.

anyway, it was fun.