In theory...if I was driving around in my car in the late 80's what could beat or give a car like mine a run for its money?

What about the other performance cars of the time? Like the fox-body or crossfire and L98 vettes or how about TTA or GNX how did they compare to lets say a bone stock 1989 IROC? I know Mopar had some performance vehicles but i cant recall any right now.

This is a question me and my friends have argued many times and some straight answers would be great

 

TTA and GNs, Syclon, Typone all would spank you REAL bad.

the mustangs were close but you should win most of the time. vetts had a few more hp so they would win.

there were several exotics that would spank you. you could kick a 308 ferrari's butt though.

that little chrysler GLH turbo would beat you.

hope this answers part of ur question.

 

As stated TTA's, GN's, GNX's, would have their way with you, but since combined production for TTA's & GNX's were only around 2100 units, catching one at a red light would be rare and add to the fact a large number, especially GNX's went right from the showroom to climate controlled garage's to sit and await their day on ebay.

Syclones and Typhoons were not made until 91

So all thats left are Vettes, Foxbodies, and exotics.

 

A G92 L98 would put the hurt on damn near anything on the streets in the 80's. The biggest competition would be a 5 spd 5.0 Which was a little slower and the corvette (2 most common in my area) obviously there would be some exotics and the TTA, GN, SY/TY (when did they start making those anyway could have been early nineties)

 

D*mn Baddam beat me to it

 

For cars in its pricerange the 'Roc was the best of the bunch, which is why i bought one

 

The 89 FireFox [tricked out Trans-Am] should spank you. 89 Mustang GT vs 89 IRoc Z. It took the 350 to beat the GT. The GT would usually beat it to 60. Both had close 1/4 times I believe the Z edged it out most of the time. I read somewhere the Camaro begins to build a lead after 100 mph.

 

Let me just say the majority here looks right...

BUT...

5-speed fox body is a drivers race, not necesarilly the Fbody winning!

 

I have already proved i can beat early carbed foxbodies and I probably wont have a problem with 80's 2nd gen f-bodies but how about early 80's cross fire vettes and first year TPI?

And doesnt Mopar have a single performance car or what in that time period?

 

The Conquest/Starion is kind of a performance car. I don't know much about their engine except that it's a rwd 2.2 turbo with a front mount intercooler. I'm pretty sure it's a Chrysler engine and not a 4g63 variant like the later (and generally faster) DSMs. The Dodge Omni GLH could be made fast for cheap. It weighs nothing and has a decent turboed engine in it. It looks like hell but Goes Like Hell too. That's all that comes to mind right now. I intentionally put the muscle car in name only cars out of my mind. Poor mid-80s Dodge what were you doing?

 

the conquest/starion had a 2.6l SOHC Mitsubishi motor and started with 145hp(first year) and ended with 188hp(last year) and a Curb Weight of just over 3000lbs it would give a f-body a run for its $$

another car is the 84-89 nissan 300zx turbo 3.0l with 200hp and also just over 3000lbs

 

crossfire in its stock form pretty much sucked... Never met someone with a stock 5spd 5 oh that would beat me to 60 let alone 100. with my stock l98 maybe mine was just well kept or something... or there are mods that i just dont know about...

My 89 iroc l98 700r4 With K&n's, gutted intake, intake port work (by me), full exh, shift kit & converter, it put a car on a 97 6 spd SS (lt1 obviously) with exhaust and gears... that sound about right? Factory freak or possible internal mods i dont know about you think?

Im not trying to jack a thread, but it'd help me answer the ques. on this thread b/c im comparing to my old Z...

 

That doesnt sound right at ALL. My car with ONLY a catback beat my friend's ZZ4 cammed/shorty header/flowmaster 3"/chip 350 TPI IROC to 100 by a car.

Exhaust and gears are two of the BEST mods to do to LT1s and wake them up hugely. The limitations of TPI should hold you back incredibly on the top end, which is where LT1s shine. Not to mention their bottom end torque stock for stock is better than an L98's. To take an LT1 like that you need alot more than what you have. I'd suspect his car was f'd up, or you have something under that hood you don't know about.. it doesn't go *lope* *lope* *lope* does it??

 

Is it that unbelievable? An L98 with those mods should be in the 13s with traction

 

Nah doesnt lope real noticably, it has edelbrock headers 3 in Y high flow cat 3 in catback... so its plenty loud. I put the car on him off the line and he pretty much stayed there the whole time. So id attribute it to a good launch and TPI's awesome torque

His car runs really well actually, its now boosted and runs 12's i beleive...

Surprised myself too. Ive actually outran a cammed 2000 Z28 m6 b4 as well but he supposedly had a bad clutch... Go figure

Anyways stock for stock there werent many 80's cars that would outrun a well equipped L98 thirdgen

 

Stock for stock, it would outrun or atleast keep up with 95 percent of the cars on the road. It would be a good race between an LX 5 speed 5.0. As for those TTAs, and GN's, they would own you, no matter how many mods you had.

Dodge had the Mitsu Starion, 0-60 in the sub 7 range, could hang with most 305 cars.

 

Well his car is a 305TPI/5 speed car...

GN/GNXs would obviously own him. TPI Vettes would do the same.

A 5.0/5 speed 87-93 Mustang...GT or LX would put a hurting on it provided the driver wasnt a dumbas...but being lighter than an F-body stock and having a few morep onies than a 305 as wlel, it owuld edge out.

Hell, If not driven correctly, a 305 car could lose to a Fiero GT granted a Fiero is a low 15's car stock. I actually saw a SD L98 car LOSE to a 88 Fiero GT/ 5 speed...it had a cam, full exhaust, sticky tires, and some intake work done....ran 8.8's CONSISTANTLY to the L98's 9.0's....I was crapping my pants upon viewing but man o man, that Borla exhaust on the Fiero made it sound WICKED!!!

 

Well I guess my car wont do too bad against other cars of the time and some newer ones stock for stock


I doubt the stuff bolted on to it is making a huge difference:

AFPR,gutted intake with K&N, BBK TB, MSD ditributor, coil, and wires, Bosch platinum plugs and O2 senor, centerforce clutch, Dynomax exhaust with stock manifolds and Y pipe and a recent tune up and new tires, Hotchkis tower brace and sway bars front and rear, and a lowering kit

 

there were several cars that would have took the 350 iroc and several that would have given a good light to light run.

the w41 442 would have been a drivers race for sure! it is rated at a high 14 second 1/4 but, those cars are pretty far and few. you would have been more liklely to find a H.O. grandam or olds which could have took the iroc from light to light but, lost in the 1/4.

those turbo grand ams and sunbirds and 3.1 turbo grandprix were quick in there day and responded to the usual turbo mods.

most cars were slow back then but, those others were some of the best factory sleepers. even today they still catch people off guard.

I remember the turbo omni, for a while there was and I bet still is a good following of racers that have those things moving good! nothing is worst that being spnked by one of the worst looking cars.



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The Conquest/Starion is kind of a performance car. I don't know much about their engine except that it's a rwd 2.2 turbo with a front mount intercooler. I'm pretty sure it's a Chrysler engine and not a 4g63 variant like the later (and generally faster) DSMs. The Dodge Omni GLH could be made fast for cheap. It weighs nothing and has a decent turboed engine in it. It looks like hell but Goes Like Hell too. That's all that comes to mind right now. I intentionally put the muscle car in name only cars out of my mind. Poor mid-80s Dodge what were you doing?




really really going under that's why the goverment helped them out

 

everybody forgot my last car from back in the 80's, the turbo toyota supra, straight wrecked on the 300zx's, i think the numbers were 0-60 in 6.7 and 1/4 in 14.7 according to car and driver in an auto. unreliable as hell though

 

Wow he is right how could i forget the supra

My friend from highschool had one of those too

 

rx7s would kill u turbo tbirds would kill u all the bikes would have killed u, bimmers maybe...

 

If you want to go into the early 90s the SHOs were quick cars, the DSMs and probably a few more!

In this day and age high 14s is a joke (no offense) as a lot of factory cars will run that, and Im talking sedans!

 

DSMs do not worry me unless the driver really knows how to mod them cuz i have killed plenty of those things around this area but in the right hands damn i wont even try it

As for the t-birds I thought they where dogs?

I totally agree with 25thmustang thats why my next car will be a Corvette or i will do an engine swap complete with a dyno tune and all sorts of performance goodies, I dont know which yet the goal being having a 11 second or faster weekend cruiser

EDIT:spelling

 

The turbo coupe Tbirds werent bad at all...

 

Tbirds, rx7s and bimmers... not a single one from the 80's better in the 1/4. Yeah bikes... obviously

 

really? I passed one of those up for my Z28. My parents gave me a choice of a T-bird, 94 Mustang GT 5 speed, 1995 Z28, 2000 GTP 2 door, and assorted IROCs and 4 bangers but i went with my uncles car cuz I liked it alot

 

also in the 80s you also had all the muscle cars which you wouldnt stand a chance against, nor the hot rods maybe the flat heads but thats about it.

 

We are talking about factory cars produced in the 80's....

 

Thats very true since they werent really collectors items back then according to my dad, but i didnt think anybody would bring it up. You do have a very valid point though pre-emission muscle would stomp me and most of our cars for that matter

 

As for Mopar, what about the Dodge Daytona? What years were those made, and how quick were they? I'm pretty sure there was a turbocharged Shelby Daytona, although I don't know much about them.

 

Yeah the TC Tbirds werent too bad, not race cars but for their size they held their own. If I had that list I would have gone with the Z28 only if it was a 6-speed!

Old school muscle cars existed, but life in that time was different. There werent many 9, 10 or 11 second cars out on the streets, like today. In my area, and LOTS of others, if you go out trying to be one of the top guys and arent running 9s, your a noone! Back in the 80s a solid 12 second car could basically own the streets...

Times have changed, and cars have only gotten faster! Its nice to know nowadays you can run 10s or 11s with a street car, with AC, power everything, CD player and all the goodies!

 

http://www.allpar.com/model/daytona.html

Don't forget this is what replaced the IROC Camaro

 

So in the end the TPI cars where the tops dogs aside from a few limited production cars?

That being said i still dont know why people say TPI sucks because considering its 20 year old tech it still holds up pretty good on the street light to light for sure

And yeah mustang I do agree if you dont run 9's you really cant brag too much cuz someone will blow your doors off but like someone mentioned on a vette forum 11,10, and 9 second cars are still few and far between on the street

Thanks for the answer to my question guys

 

The thing is in my area we have a HUGE car scene, and there are quite a few 9 10 and 11 second cars. There are even a few 8 second cars running around (but only when theres money be tossed around). Even 11s now will be a decent stoplight car, but in the real street races, it might not cut it!

 

YOU'RE KIDDING!!! In my town i own the streets

First of all I gotta finish college then get me a C5 vette cuz I just love that body style then I will see how far I will take it

 

The biggest competition in my town are the new factory turbo cars. Srt 4, Evo, WRX. As far as domestics go, I can hold my own.

 

Can I come to your town and have some fun? I wont even race in my area, wouldnt be worth losing!

 

What do you have in that mustang to be running mid-12's??

 

Be my guest...feel free to own them all but you will never be able to "win" becuase they will all come up with excuses of why you beat them....I have beat this one kid 5 times and everytime its an excuse i swear everybody in this town is a hardcore r!cer for sure.

You can stay at my house my garage is huge and you can keep your car there

If you want some competion in this area you got to hang out in Mankato ( Minnesota State University is located there and is where i go to school) there are plenty of real street machines around there

 

alot of street racing has alot to do with intimidation, add a aero hood loud exhaust cage 5pt harness slicks and pizza cutters up front with a gear whine and nobody wants to race you anymore

 

STOCK bottem end, STOCK cam, STOCK heads (freshened up, NO porting), Cobra intake (untouched), TB, MAF, CAI, pulleys, Full exhaust, 3.73s, STOCK suspension...

Not only does it go mid 12s all day long on a good tire, it has been a 12.999 on a street radial!

Id love to head out there, throw a nice little 150-175 shot on the car and have a low 11s car to play around with the locals. Im the kind of guy who will even pop his hood before a race, I love to let them see how stock it really is!

I agree joc, I ran around on ET Streets and skinnies for a while, and people thought the car was something special, but on the stock rims, they pretty much laugh at it!

 

Those are awesome times for the mods. What were you running stock?

 

Bone stock with the auto and 2.73s trhe car ran 15.3 @ 89 or 90 (1500' or so elevation). With gears it went high 14s, and on the untouched motor with a few minor bolt ons went 13.0 @ 103.

 

If your even in western NC, give me a call. Sick stang you got there for those mods

Its pretty hard to get these TPI cars into those timeslips without intake mods. You can just slap a new set of gears and a MAF and see big results.

Hopefully im in the 13s right now.

L98
Honed out stock base, SLP Runners ported to plenum, AFPR, Hypertech Chip, a bunch of MSD ignition goodies, got some 1.6 RR going on soon as well as some Hookers
700R4 1800 Stall (Need 2400+)
Shift Kit, Corvette Servo ect.
Running a real sticky Falken tire, 3.27 gears, got a 2.06 60' time on stock suspension, so I guess I can get it to hook.

A set of LCA and some new shocks would really help.

 

WoW I always thought to run an even 13 with a 5.0 LX you would have to dig deep to the heads/Cam.
Good runs though

 

Nah, Im sure with suspension, and some weight removed the car could go low 12s, but its too much of a street car! MOST guys wont go that fast without HCI, but then again most guys suck at driving and dont have a clue how to go fast!

 

Perfect example of that today: Today was the last day of the year that I drove my car and leaving the MSU parking lot some jerk with a really clean looking fox-body vert just cuts me off and looks at me like I had the plague. Man this guy had a major chip on his shoulder for some reason, and I tought him a lesson easy enough since his car was a vert and it looked like he couldnt drive a T-5 like I could. Didnt know those verts were that slow but it sure sounded nice.

He had chrome cobra rims and dual exhuast dont know what else but really did sound mean.

 

I don't know where you are from, but around a here My 89 305 TPI is slow. I lose to everyone at the track my best time was a 16.01. Yikes!!! But I gotta 350 just about ready.

 

Here you go everybody then just zoom out and thats where i am located the middle of nowhere

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp...&zipcode=56081

Also your car has a mass air sensor mine is speed density and a 5 speed making mine stock for stock faster then the 305s before my model year