ok so i might sound like an idiot asking this, but i want to know how drifting is supposed to be done, not just grabbing the e brake in the corner.
any help? aside from "downshift and stab the throttle"

 

ey, get the drifting video"drifting 101" inside car drifting as well as out.

 

ask anyone with a honda

 

Not everyone with a Honda knows how to drift bro

IMHO all FWD cars are "***-draggers" and can't "drift".



Here's your Drifting 101 video LOL

 

There are many styles to drift, but all will get you killed, hence the reason I drag race now, and sold the RX-7 and bought a Camaro.

I will list these in order of difficulty

-hand brake-self explanitory

-shiftlock- down shift without rev matching, and pop the clutch, the rear wheels momentarly loose traction and you slide

-Powerover-Just jab the throttle and slide her.

^those all require no weight or momentum transfer to slide the car, and combining teqniques make out for really nice drifts. (IE. shift lock to initiate the drift, and power over upon exitins to sustain a nice slide.)

Braking drift- You plow into a cornor overspeeding, and riding the brakes, where you minimize the wight on thee tail of the car, Heel toe to down shift and rev-match, and the motor does enough braking with the momentum of the car cornoring where the rear slips out from under you. It's real easy to put it into a 180 spin with this teqniqe and it's not even the hardest. Power over to finish the slide.

Feint- Steer the oppiset way of the cornor, and distribute all the weight to one side of the car, and flick the steering back to where all the weight gets thrown the other side, and slide it. (Exercize extreme caution when doing this, because it can be understeer hell)

Lift-off- Get going 50-60 mph, and ride a cornor at the limit of grip under throttle and lift off the throttle the rear will have the weight let up off it, and the motor braking causes the rear to slip. (exercize caustion with this too! It is easy to loose a slide a 55mph, I have experence with loosing it with this technique)

There are other, but these are the fundementals for the pavement. You can dip your wheel off the pavement onto the dirt to initiate a slide, and increase your slip angle, but that's all in using the course to your advantage.

I say stick to drag racing, I turned a high dollor sports car into a $4000 peice of rattling **** because of drifting.

 

how fast are you normally going when your drifting? 50 seems pretty quick

 

the only honda you could realisticly drift is an s2000.

haha, yeah i dont think that "silvia" video can help much.

 

the First three don't matter, just enough speed to slide, but the feint and braking drift are easier to control the faster you go. It's really hard to control either of these at 30mph. 40-50 is more like it. The Lift-off needs to be at about 50-60 to work. If you don't have the speed, then it's just like letting off the throttle in mid cornor, which is pointless.

 

There are a few websites out there with all the different techniques, one of them is driftsession.com the website for the local events here in Hawaii. Sometimes its hard to understand the techniques reading them, there is also a video out there called the "Drift Bible" that supposedly shows you the techniques on video. I've never seen it but you might want to check it out. For me I just went to a drifting event and learned from everyone there (either watching or riding). Then I got in my car and tried. So I leared by trial and error, good learning experience. I would say find a large open space and just go for it, throw the car around. High probability the car will not respond like you think it will at first, so good idea to stay away from objects (walls, poles, curbs, etc, etc). I would say learn weight transfer first because it will help you in other areas of drifting besides the initiation of a slide. Around here the most popular technique to initiate slides is a clutch kick, something you can only do with a manual. Basically jamming the clutch while on throttle to upset the traction. My car is automatic and my E-brake does not work well, so the main techniques I use are feint and power over. I think alot of 3rd gen F-Body people will be in the same boat as me with the OEM stuff (no manual and no e-brake), kinda of forces you to learn weight transfer. Your speeds will probably increase as you get better and better. I started out around 20-30 mph, after doin it for a while I was around 40-60mph, and even initiated some slides above 70mph with my old car. Its all a confidence thing, you need confidence to drift at higher speeds. Hesitating will ruin you. I changed cars and my confidence took a dive. I'm slowly working my way back up to 40-60mph speeds.

I've seen that video vindeezl posted on a few other forums. While most people tease and laugh, I give the guy thumbs up for trying. I'm not sure if the guy just screwed up or if he was still learning, but bottom line is that drifting is crashing. It happens to everyone, even the pro's. The streets raise this possibility higher since the conditions are not controlled.

Here's some video of me using the feint to initiate slides. These are all slow speed feints in 1st gear (TH350 trans) no e-brake. First one is here at our local track, and here is another one on the street from a different angle. Both of those files are zipped, so save them, unzip them, then watch them. Nothing spectacular, but hey there you go.

 

i dont consider myself a drifter... however, as car guys have been doing for decades, i enjoy a occasional open parking lot right before i change rear tires.. lol.


my technique is different the a "drift".. its pretty simple.. however, you need power, you need a limited slip, locker, or spool and basic skill with the pedals..

while stopped, dump the clutch.. having the wheel turned is optional, but fun..

if you keep the wheel turned to full lock, obviously you do the basic burnout.
now heres where people see how skilled you are.. its simple. dont smack your car on the rev limiter... either shift into 2nd. or feather the throttle...

now using a combo of the brake to keep from picking up speed while straight, and the gas on at all times, widen the circle into a powerslide, or flip it going the other way... or do whatever. the car can slide around rather quickly, but in a fairly easy to control manner once you understand how it behaves.


however, you will look like a idiot attempting this if:
you have a open diff.
you have a lack of power.
you smack the limiter/overrev
you forget that you are overheating the tires, have a blowout, and are now stuck with a car in a smokey parking lot, with tracks leading to your car, and your car has a fresh dent from the carcass of a blown tire smacking it.



in anycase, its not "drifing", but you can do it in a smaller parking lot, and its still alot of fun.

 

I think people should continue to tease and laugh, that's not exactly how I want to "try" to drift a corner

I mean if he was new to sliding his car around, he should find a nice vacant spot, or a track, not some 2 lane backroad.

Nice vids and info as always Hawaiian

 

Car setup helps a lot too. Adjusting front and rear alignments, size of sway bars front and rear, etc will help to induce more oversteer and make it easier to get the tail out. Of course, doing this will also make the car kind of spooky to drive on the street, especially in the wet. The tail end will want to come around all the time - and on public roads that's not such a great idea!

 

so howd you start drifting? there a local scene around here, and i think its fun as hell, so i want to learn. alot of people critisize me for it just because the sport is dominated by imports, and i hate imports, nissans arent bad however. i just think it looks like a fun *** sport.

 

dam thats some good driving how long you been drifting?

 

ask crazy hawaiian hes the pro

 

Hey thanks guys but I'm no Pro. I just drift for fun, probably the most fun I've ever had. Revlimit got me into it, he was already doin it and he said to come check it out. It looked like fun so I decided to give it a try. Turns out it was ALOT of fun! There are not too many domestics in our local scene over here, so it is kind of odd to see us mixed in with the imports. Its OK though, just keep practicing and build your skills and eventually people will build respect for you. I've been into drifting since 2002 but I've been doing it on and off. Lack of funds and general knowledge in car repair means I'm usually down for months when something major breaks on my car, sometimes even a year! Kind of makes it hard to practice enough to be consistent enough for competition. So right now I'm working toward building a good strong car out of my 89 IROC-Z. Revlimit recently completed alot of work on his car. His old 91 got crashed too much so he built up a 84 shell into a monster, 400hp with a 6 speed. I think all he needs now is a cage and a tire sponsor and he would be competition ready. Here's some older videos of Revlimit back in the day, 2002/2003: check it out. These vids were taken on the local mountain we use to practice (when the cars are working). I wish I had video of my other friend that drifts the mountain with his Z28, he's animal!!

 

hey CrazyHawaiian how much of a drop does your cars have? and what did you do to make them drop that low? did you cut the springs, buy drop springs, or is it drop spindels?

 

I'm not sure how low they are, I don't have any stock height measurements. Both cars use spring pertches (weight jacks) and custom length/rate springs. The orange one also has drop spindles. I've made arrangements for the green one to get a set of drop spindles too, hopefully it works out. Those spindles really make correcting the geometry easier.

 

mountain drifting sounds so insane! i dont think ive got the heart (or *****) to go there.