on my way home from work tonight, i was cruising down i-75 when out of the blue a mid 90's mustang fly's by me. it was a good lookin white mustang, lowered on either 17's or 18's. i didn't think much of it, but i decided i'd catch up to him and see if he wanted to run em. so, when i FINALLY got up to him, he and i played a bit, but then it was time to get down to business. 60mph roll, i clicked into 2nd and took off. i immediatley jumped a car on him, but he stayed right there till about 120 when we both backed off. it was a rush. haven't been in a street race in a while and don't really intend to get into another one, but i just needed that, you know? it felt good.

we both got off the interstate and i flagged him over to a gas station. he was REALLY cool about it, said it was the most fun he had had in a long time and went on about running an s-trim with 6lbs. and then went on and on about how quick a car i got. this was the first street race victory for the new motor, so it was definetly a rush.

specs on my car are simple:
3310lbs with driver as it was tonight, about 100lbs. lighter when i have the good rearend under the car and the other little things i do when i go to the track.
360cubes
113 aluminum vette heads with bowl blend
crane powermax solid lifter cam 238*/248*@.050 .480"/.500" on a 114 lsa that keeps it kinda quiet
10.2:1
worked over 750 double pumper
holley street dominator intake
hedman longtubes, dual 2 1/2" pipes that desperately needs to be replaced with 3"
ATI 4000 stall converter, 700r4, 3.73's, m/t ET Street radials.

i wanted to see if he'd go from a dig, but he said he needed to get home to his girl.

just wanted to share.

 

Sounds like a good race, but I would have expected him to pull on you up top judging by your trap speeds. My friend had a stock 97, with exhaust and an S trim and would run mid 12s @ 114+ all day long. Now it depends on a lot of variables, but those 4V cars LOVE boost!

Either way nice kill, and nice to see two guys share info after a race!

 

good kill on a slobra

 

i seen full bolt on cobras come close to trappin 110mph. they move out well. S trim on 6lbs should easily do mid 1-teens.

nice kill tho, sounds like your car has alot more left in it.

and dont you love that rush u get from racing? i'm not so sure what it is, but its one of the best feelings you can get when u race. that kinda feeling can get you in trouble. LOL

 

the times in my sig are with me feathering the throttle out of the hole to keep the car from wheelhoppin' cause i have an open differential and no lca relocation brackets at the moment. i fully expect to run 11.8's when i get everything squared around. there is still more to be had in my carb too, i still haven't gotten it fully tuned yet.

 

Man you are really kicking butt with that combo! Is that a soild flat tappet cam? Just think of what you can really do with some GOOD aftermarket heads like AFR or TFS. You would really need a new rear then.
Hey what size tires are you running?

 

yes, solid flat tappet cam. not too shabby for 30 year old technology...

275/60/15 M/T ET Street Radials, roughly 28x9.5

i'm saving up now for a fully forged bottom end with dished pistons...hoping to put a hair dryer of sorts on this thing before the end of 2007.

 

From a 60 mph roll, you "took off" from him by 1 car?

And you guys didn't go from a dig.

So what your saying is you guys really didn't accomplish anything.


Ya, nice kill.

 

Well I go by trap because it is a good indicator of power... I too have to feather my car on radials, yet it trapped high 107s all day, and on slicks would only trap mid 106s. I saw higher traps with less traction, but everyones care is different.

A basic Blown 4V Cobra is a quick car (400+ rwhp and 112+ traps) so you should be proud of that one.

 

yeah i can see him taking off.. he has 4000 rpm stall!

i raced a friends truck you runs mid higher 13's with 1.8-1.9's 60's and 97-98mph traps. i gone 13.98 at 100mph with 1.93 60. he's got th350 trans with 3500 stall, not sure of the gears. basic vortec headed LT1 roller cam carbed 350.

from a 55ish roll, with me given the hit in 3rd which means i'm at about bottom of 3rd rpm wise... he almost instantly pulled back the little advantage i was given and put his door to my nose... then i pulled back even and creeped past at about 90's mph. that 3500 stall hit and his gearing boosted him ahead quickly. where as my car wasnt quite geared as well for the roll speed.

so i can see him getting a quick lead off the gun

 

Good kill man! New ocmbo sounds wicked but that rear is definately holding you back!

a 97 Cobra with an s-trim and only 6lbs? I know 2 valve guys running 8lbs and thei have MUCH weaker bottom ends. a 4 valve loves 2 things: high RPM's and boost.

And man, when I was on street tires at the track, the gears made my life hell....that lasted a whole week before the BFG's went on .....what can I say, Im impatient

 

on the pass of the 12.16@110mph, i did not have any wheelspin, but that was because i had to roll into the throttle to insure i didn't wheelHOP, which is what breaks stuff. i know the car has more in it when i can stand on it at the launch. on the 12.16 pass i still went 1.65 to the 60'.

he was only running 6lbs cause the motor has 100k on it and didn't want to risk hurting it with more boost. or so he says.

 

Nice job and excellent kill!
Remember racing on the street is not really a good judge of how fast a car is or can be. Engine temps,level of gas and who gets the kick can make a slower car take out a much faster one.

 

and this may be the case too. and i never said he was a stellar driver, though he could have been.

 

sweet kill matt. i cant wait to see u at the track with the 373's in your other rear. when u get it togeather let me know bud i will be there to get the video and the pics of your first 11. something past.

 

Were you being sarcastic? Or were you giving him congrats?

 

If you had a 3.2x gear with a posi you would have ownded him :-p

The only thing ford does right is make their v8s sound good.

 

Yea, or out sell almost everyone of GM's lineup. Oh they also still make the Mustang. Man they did screw up.

 

Want to back that up with a race??? Let me know what the car sounds like back there.

I think when it comes to the thirdgen years the Mustang did alright, being faster in most cases, and outselling them by a ton! But what would I know...

Oh yeah they sounded better too!

 

idk, they both sound good... but are different sounds... its like music, i dont have a specific favorite.. i like songs... of all genres..

exhaust is the same way... but i'd have to say a cammed stroked Ls1/Ls6 vette with a corsa catback is probly the best thing i ever heard. next would be true duals with dynomax bullets on built LS1's

Terminators, forget about exhaust, too much blower whine to worry about that.. and thats not a bad thing. LOL

he has 3.73's and a motor combo that could use that gear.. 3.2x would hurt him more than anything unless they were racing to 150+mph LOL

 

bring it on...

 

Throw stock heads and cam back in, and Ill gladly run you...

Even now, I got a nice little Explorer headed stock cammed car at the house that wouldnt have an issue. Ford did something right if its this easy to run 12s!

 

yep, strong stock rearend and lightweight car.. both + in my book. too bad those foxes dont handle to well just messin

 

Nice kill. The trap speed on your 13.03 makes me sick though.

 

I always knew that Matt's little sleeper was destined for great things! don't let up man.

 

The mustang didn't out sell the 1987 THIRDGEN CAMARO! That was the only year the camaro out sold the mustang.

As far as racing you with a stock 350 in a car that weighs the same as yours don't even go there! You will just get your feelings hurt.

 

that's why it's a smart thing to utilize the correct drive wheels.
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don't worry, i'm not lettin' up for anything now! car still has a bit more in it...though i'm not really sure if i can squeeze much more than maybe mid 11's out of it without spray...i'm seriously looking into my options for forced induction.

 

What about a limited slip differential and tires that cost more than $25 each?

I want a Miata but not a SINGLE person let's me go two minutes without reminding me what a *** they think I am.

 

dude, at 2200lbs and turbo kits readily available, as well as one of the best handling cars to ever hit the market...i'm not sure you could possibly be qualified as a ***.

 

I believe his heads are a stock chevy head off of a vette,and there are stock GM solid or hydraulic performance profiles that would keep him right next to you if not out in front.

 

Don't remind me, I go through the motions every single day.

www.flyinmiata.com

Anyway, good work on the Cobra. Did you give up on the 305 or just upgrade to more potential?

 

unfortunately, the 305 gave up on me...


would have loved to gone 12's with an n/a daily driven 305, but when i got 190-210psi of cranking pressure out of 7 holes and only 90psi out of the last...i knew something was about to go...and i'd rather run 11's anyway.
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heads are very close to stock, though i do have mild bowl blend work done that i did when i took everything apart to inspect after eating my first xe274h cam. the cam is a crane powermax, but it's close to some of the solid performance cams of the late 60's.

 

YEAH MW66, You stick a stock cam and heads in that car, add 2000lb and swap that gear to a 2.41 and come up to DULUTH ga, and I will jump all over that car....lol. And it seemed like that mustang wanted some also....LOL.

 

Lets see.....less cubes, ****tier UNTOUCHED heads, stock cam.....5.0 perhaps doing some ownage

Look up flow numbers for E7's....they are pathetic. Usually flow 150 cfm or so on the intake side. 120 or so exhaust. Trickflows pickup ALOT....AFR's make the lil 302 demons!

And The only 350 STOCK that was worth a **** was the L98......not includign anything from the late 60's. Put some of those BADASS 882 heads and lets line 'em up

 

come on guys, this is getting ridiculous...you know street racing is "Put-up-or-shut-up-run-whatchya-brung-hope-ya-brung-enough" and it's not changing either.

belling aching over my mildly ported 113 casting l98 heads is sillyness.

 

First off,I will say that the 5.0 Stangs are great cars to go quick with cheap and easy and I have nothing against them.However,you act like they are the first and only cars to go fast with stock parts.All of the big 3 were represented by cars in class racing that ran alot faster than mid 12's that had to meet stock specs back in the 60's and 70's.Most of them also weighed in at 2 tons.

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I was also wondering why the 5.0 can use cylinder heads from an Explorer for better performace and still be called "stock "or "factory" but the Bowtie has to use big chamber low performance 882 smog heads to be "stock" or "factory"?Last I knew the aluminum vette heads are factory GM and so are Vortecs.Even the 416 305 heads would be better than the 882's.

 

First things first my car has stock 1989 heads, not Explorer not Cobra, the ones that came on the car! My dads car has Explorer heads on a stock motor, and his car is a good deal faster than mine!

Im talking take the motor from the car, dont knock any weight out (I sure didnt) and see what happens. I and all of us know what a Fbody is capable of, and what a Mustang is capable of, the fact is for someone to claim the only thing Ford did good was make the exhaust sound good, needs to back that up. I noticed it isnt the guys running 12s or better that say this stuff, its the guys with no timeslips or raging 14 and 15 second monsters.

Those of us who have gone fast know what it takes, those who havent and talk down about other cars, should continue to sit in the stands and watch when the others run!

For the record I dont street race I class race. I go to the track line up with cars with very similar set ups and run heads up. In my eyes thats the ONLY way to race. Stick everyone with similar cars, make them tune it right, and drive it right, and seperate the men from the boys! But not everyone has the desire to run like this, understandable it takes time, patience and skill...

 

i'd like to run the 12.0 or 11.75 index for the NSCA Street Machine or American Muscle class. that's really what i built this car for, oh, and to daily drive as it's my only car.

 

25th, sorry if I got you ruffled. I didn't mean to sound like I was refering to your car.TBI92camaro just comes off as having the "typical" 5.0 attitude.Anyone into hotrodding or drag racing street cars has to appreciate what Ford did with the late 80's early 90's 5.0's.Comparing a factory performance 302 to a smog 350 will always be an apple to oranges comparison to me tho.

 

I dont know what smog 350 you refer too (Im not big into what the head codes and such refer to in the GM terretory), but even trying to compare from GM to Ford it never works. I personally only race other Mustangs. I like to know my car runs good for whats done to it, and the only way to know that is compare with other cars having similar mods. I dont make racing, or even cars my life, but I enjoy them and thats what matters. It might appear my feathers have been ruffled, but this is the internet, we all come off however the other guy reads it! Dont worry, I dont lose sleep over anything on the boards...

Id run NHRA or NMCA or something but I found the Ford heads up racing and it suits me perfectly. Not to mention I have actually placed at national events, and can still street drive the cars built into the class!

Hey I say to each his own, I give respect to anyone with a fast car, and will rag on anyone with a bad attitude, and thats one reason Im on this and a lot of other sites dedicated to other cars!

 

Yeah he has a problem with that... think's his ****'s the fastest in the world just because it's a stick shift and a "Five point oh"

5.0s can be fast. Do I choose to spend my money on them? No. I'd better stop talking before I start yet another GM vs. Ford flame war
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Now there's a good attitude

I like 25th, I can argue with him about mustangs and he never gets upset and takes it personally haha

 

I do cry myself to sleep at night... J/K.

I actually usually forget who I fight with within a day or two. Its the internet if you let it bother you, your going to be miserable all the time!

 

very true. no reason to let people on the net bother you.

 

Not to get off topic, but i have realized that mustangs are typically faster than the thirdgen camaros. What's bad is when you race one from a stoplight, you own him to 35, then he's hitting 7 grand with his stroked, cammed 347, he lays a 5 ft patch in 2nd, chirps 3rd and hes half a mile down the road. You car now has another gear, limp mode. Thinking about buying a local mustang in town. 5 spd, lx, notch, 5.0.. but 155k miles..but then again forged internals is always good. 3200 bucks.

Your sleeper would own most "sports cars" on the road.

Stu, I saw a magazine take a miata with a blown up engine, a wrecked s2000 and swap in the powerplant.

Miata + s2000 motor with turbo, nitrous, head, cam ect = holy shi*
ran the 1/4 in like 11 flat is that says anything WITHOUT nitrous.

makes me realize my high 13 run is slow.

 

I wonder why they redid the head? I can see them using a turbo cam though.

 

ah well, my n/a daily driver still beat that blown mustang.

 

Congrats on that kill,your car is very impressive.I will keep following your progress because I know you will just keep getting faster and faster.

 

"And The only 350 STOCK that was worth a **** was the L98......"

Ugh not really. LT5s(375HP,405HP),LT1s(275 single cat,285 dual cat) and LT4(about 30 more than a LT1 give or take)s were kick *** power plants. LT4s were used in 96 6 speed Vettes and could run low 13s stock. They were also used in 97 anniversary Z28s(very rare though) With stock cr,displacement and staying n/a they are capable of tens.

My dual cat 89 350 Formula stock was faster than my LX 5.0 308 geared car(though my car was heavy and was not as fast as an 87-88 LX) stock to stock. A 90-92 Z28 hardtop 350 was faster than my Formula. A dual cat 5.0 90-92 Z28 hardtop was a mid 14 sec car-not too shaby either. Lets not mention what a turbo 89 Trans Am could do to any 5.0 stock to stock. I am a Mustang fan/owner but I am objective since I have owned,built and raced both. 350 dual cat 327 geared cars were a battle for LX 308 geared LX 5 speeds.

 

I think he meant in thirdgen years. BTW any stock LT1 makes about 305 hp and LT4s made about 330 (used in both Camaro SSs and Firehawks in '97 as well as in certain Vettes like you said). The LT5 was a kick *** motor. I saw a stock one at the local track running low low 13s, probably would have done alot better with some traction haha

 

lt5's are NOT sbc, no matter how you look at them.