Was pulling up to a red light with about 4 cars in each lane so i pulled over in the third lane with no cars in it and was rolling up to the light as it turned green and hit the gas a little to get ahead of the first car cause this lane ended about an 1/8th of a mile ahead.Just as I hit the gas I noticed the car I was passing was a 06 or 07 GTO.He jumped so i gassed it so i could get over.Noticed his car jumped hard a couple of more times in my rear view.I wasnt looking to race an obviously faster car but he seemed interested so i couldnt resist.Road went to a single lane because of construction work on the road.When it went back to double lane he passed me and had some kinda silly grin on his face.So hes doing about 60mph and i catch up to him in 3rd gear and goose it just to make it jump forward a couple of times and he guns it.I floor it and he is pulling on me and he chirps third gear,i get up to his bumper still in third gear after his shift and we started to catch up to traffic at about 80mph.Do it again from about 40mph with about the same result but if cars hadnt been in the way he would have kept pulling away I`m sure.Pulled up next to him and rolled the windows down and said i just wanted to see what it would do and he said it runs 13.0 to bad there were no more red lights on this highway I wanted to see if i could do any better from a stop cause I`m in the mid 13`s but traction limited but I know I`d loose.It was fun and a good adrenaline rush though.

 

With your mods it sounds like you ran an '05 or '06 LS2 Goat. He would have to be modded to run 13 flat and given your mid 13 second slips the outcome sounds about right. Had you raced an '04, with your mods, you would have likely beat him. Cool run.

 

Good runs. There have been a few '04's to run down to 13.1x. Mine went 13.25 before the mods went on. So you really can't count them out. Now if it was a '04 A4, then it wouldn't have been close. Those are 13.5x cars at best. Way too much torque management in those.

Easiest way to tell an '05 from an '06 is the tail lights. '06 are black, '05 are red.

 

i dont really remember what color the lights were.Iwant to say they were red but the whole car was red so idk.The way he was barking gears at around 50 mph lead me to believe he wasnt stock before he even told me he ran 13.0.But he didnt sound like he had an aftermarket exhaust.But its hard to hear much over mine.

 

not true . when i was a beach bend there was a 05 6sp 6.0 on mt et street drs running 12.8 100% stock with a great driver.

 

Drag radials = not stock at the track. Mid to low 13's is the norm for stock GTO's. Drag radials change everything.

 

i dont consider drs a modd even thow they make the world of difffernce.the way i see it lets it use the power it has.

 

lmao... ok well i know of a few "stock" LT1 camaros running LOW 12's.

 

no lt1 with drs are going to run low 12s. my 95 ta ran a best of 13.5 stock on drs.

when i put falcon z rated tires on my 98 ls1 i didnt run around saying its modded.on stock rubber gtos do run low 13s .drs are still street tires thats why i dont count them as a modd.

 

with the other bolton stuff it went 11.80's. its great making non-believers!
also, that same car stock with street tires went a 13.60@103.

 

friend of mine bought a new 06' GTO with an auto. went to his local dragstrip and got it to do several 13.0 - 13.1s all stock. no DRs

 

i know full well what lt1 cars run mine runs 11.8x-12.3x with true slicks full bolt ons and a s-trim supercharger(vortec) and 6 psi

heres a pic of me on 18 inch drs.

i was saying a stock lt1 on drs will not run low 12s.bolt ons are modds .tires are tires as long as there street legal.

 

it was 12.40's-12.50's with the addition of a 12 bolt and et streets. everything else was still stock down to the manifolds.
we only have a couple 1/8 passes on the stock rear, and they were 8.40-8.50's.

the gta in my avatar has a stock LT1, 203/236 cam, and 125 shot. its running mid 10's so far.

 

Good racing
Great cars, and glad you had some fun!

 

if it wasn't for the skinny rear tires and independent rear the GTO would be a high 12 second car easy, stock. GM was stupid and didn't upgrade the stock suspension or wheels from the monaro from the way it was in aukker land. the suspension isn't made to handle 400 hp, and it needs at LEAST 275 width tires in the back... the stock 245's just don't cut it.

once these cars get going they pull very hard, the trouble is getting them off the line. i ran 13 flat at the track with a 1.97 60' ... and that's with my tires spinning and hopping off the line. 2 tenths off my time and i would be high to mid 12's.

you can talk quarter mile times about these cars but honestly it really doesn't describe how quick they are. from a roll it kind of eliminates the launch handicap they have... they are very quick even in stock trim.

if you want to beat a stock one, make him race from a stop.

 

I'd take the IRS over a live axle anyday. Much better handling and ride. It's not worth the 1% of the time you might be at a track.

As far as the tires, they are bigger than what came on the Monaro if you got the 17"'s. Monaro was 18" stock with 235 tires just like the GTO's optional 18"'s. Suspension was the same also. So they didn't get anything we didn't have except we got wider tires.

 

Agreed. It's not as bad as most people think! Click Here....

 

as an owner of an '05 A4, that race went exactly as I would expect. they hop a little from a stand (04's are worse) but give them the slightest creep and they are a rocket despite the 3800lbs

 

They dont hop as bad as people say especially if you get the right combination of parts or a stick car with a good driver.

 

They can hop even with all the parts if you have enough power. Mine hopped like crazy the first time I took it to the track with 600 miles. Ran a terrible 13.6. On the 4th trip, I finally figured it out and went a 13.2. Then the mods came and it hopped again. Drag radials took care of the hop and I ended up running 12.3 making 390rwhp. Making over 430rwhp now and its hopping again. Put King springs and Koni's along with drag bags and its not hopping anymore.

If I decide to up the power a little more, I'm sure the hopping will come back. Of course this is with an M6, A4 guys have it a lot better

 

which is heavier, 2000 ish ls1 ws6 t/a, or a gto? i've heard the 4th gen t/a's can weigh in VERY heavy, breaking 2 tons. If we take advantage of the newer engines we have the best platform in my opinion, lightest anyways. a 3rd gen with an ls1 is an easy 12 second car, why? all aluminum motor drops the weight off the nose considerably, these cars CAN be lightweights if not light middleweights.

 

GTO is heavier. Mine weighed 3960 with me in it.

My 96 WS6 weighed in at 3650 with me in it. My 89 TTA weighed 3550 with me in it. LS1 cars fall somewhere in between.

All weighed on the same scale over different years.

 

I have an '04 GTO.

A properly modded TPI L98 will eat any near stock LS1 car to about 60mph. After that, the TPI Parachute opens and the LS1 car will keep pulling.

 

It would have to be a very nicely modded TPI. Stock goats run under 6 second 0-60, 5.7 (I think) is what Pontiac says.

I was doing sub 2.0 short times in mine completely bone stock. From what I remember from friends running in the '80's, they weren't that good. Of course they still were using gatorbacks. Only one buddy had 305 M&H's but he was spraying out of the hole and could for sure take any stock LS1

TPI definitely benefits from a drag radial. Maybe moreso than the goat because the torque comes on so low.

 

I was thinking about that yesterday, how maximizing the 60 ft times on a stock l98 could net high 13's. i'm at 14.4 but i'm spinning thanks to my oatmeal bushings, bent panhard and shocks i'm shocked are in one peice..

that's on a 2.0 60 ft with street tires, with practice i know i could pull a sub 2.0 and my hp is much higher then it was that last pass, also my tire pressure was in the mid 30's on that run, traction coulda been helped alot.

in anycase, the engine in the gta will be in the lighter t/a next summer, plus a camshaft i hope, and subframe connectors, but minus the crap suspension, and if im lucky, a four speed manual will be behind it.

by the way, you t56 guys ever think maybe a trans with so many gears isn't the best thing for a tpi powerband? typically you see a guy with a t56 swap use a 4.10 since he's got that double overdrive, but in my mind that would destroy a tpi's speed, gearing IS rear wheel hp, if you're keeping the engine on the high end with narrow gears hows that going to work?

 

Don't forget, The GTO is a heavy car at 3,600-3,700lbs plus fuel and a driver and has independant rear suspension, which makes it tricky to launch w/o bad wheel hop.

I pulled 1.900 60ft times with heavy RONAL Firehawks with 275/40/17 Yokohama A520 tires. Stock block, cam, heads, bottom end, diff gear. The 2,500 stall non-lockup converter helped alot though.

 

The GTO is heavy, that's for sure. But what many don't know is that it is geared like a 3.90 rear F-Body. It has the ZO6 trans. Instead of a 2.66 first gear, it has a 2.97 first gear. Everything, except 4th, is geared like it has 3.90 instead of 3.46.

Independant rear does take some learning. The very first pass in my car was a disappointing 13.6 with a ton of wheel hopping. It wasn't until the 4th trip to the track that I figured it out and got down to 13.2.

I know 3rd gens can launch, my TTA when bone stock except for Firestone Firehawks would cut 1.88-1.90 all day long the first time I had it out. I was impressed to say the least. I know the gatorbacks couldn't do that as I was running 13.0@105 every pass. I give those times to the tires as I could come out on boost rather than wait for it to come on.

 

Lets explore the launch..

If an l98 iroc was launching with a 1.6 60 ft time, what kind of 1.4 time does that yield?

my experience:
2.0 60ft, 14.4 et. Now with some small upgrades

minus 200 lbs, 3500-200=3300 (as its an iroc not GTA), usually minus 2 tenths at the end of the track.
stiffening,lca's,panhard,good drag shocks = 1.6 60ft?

at least a 14.0 since you knocked it off at the 60. but if the standard rules are in play(a short 60 is worth more at the 1/4) you'd be looking at a 13.8 i'd say. now a 1.6 is haard to hit on a street car, but with dr's and a good suspenion, a 1.7-8 isn't that hard. now make up the rest with a common engine mod, CAI, headers and exhaust,1.6 RR's, a cam, almost any of the easy mods but especially the headers, and bam 13's.

our cars would probably be helped with a deep stage, since our power is down low a shorter track lends itself to us, helps with r/t as well.

following that logic a typical low torque import would do well with a longer track, start earlier so you're rolling when green goes, you skip a portion of your horrid low end and you're average speed goes up=shorter e/t right?

 

The 60ft time does not equate the ultimate E/T. It only shaves the best E/T the car can muster. Unfortunately, a long runner TPI car hits the air flow brake around the 3/4 track mark while the mid runner length LS1 will keep pulling.

The opposite would be true for say an Integra GS-R with the V-TEC motor. You can cut the best 60ft of your life, but the motor doesn't boil until well after the 660ft mark where it will pick up a ton of e/t and trap speed.

A TPI pulls great numbers on an 1/8th mile track, but not so great on the 1320.