Yeap. Before I did the full exhaust, I ran a 5 speed 01 GT, we were dead even until about 50 and he started pulling away. I would like to run into him again, would be a way better race now.

 

me too

 

my dad said the same thing with his 79 camaro, and that was an 11 second car.

I guess it depends on what a person is use too or what they been around as far as power/speed of a car to say what they considered fast, but however, a 99 - 03 Mustang GT is by no means slow.

I wish my camaro could run those times.

 

I agree if your not 14.4 or better in a 5-speed 99+ GT, then you should hand the keys off. The Mach 1 mentioned if your not 13.6 or better, same bet.

 

Sorry

165hp and 3400lbs aint going to beat 235hp, way more torque of the GTA let alone the Vette with 230hp and 3200lbs.

just FYI, I had an 85 automatic Vette, 3.07 gears, stone stock, except Mobil 1, K&N air filer and a rebuilt trans(stock specs) that ran 14.0@98mph. I also had a 90 GTA 5.7 all stock (Mobil 1)and ran 14.3@96mph. Never ran my 91 Formy, but it felt a hair faster than my GTA when it was stock.

 

[QUOTE=F&Ybodlover;3420661]Sorry

165hp and 3400lbs aint going to beat 235hp, way more torque of the GTA QUOTE]

I was there when he pulled on the GTA. Yes the car was in good shape, Yes the driver knew how to drive it, he builds drag cars and races regularly at Milan in michigan. RITTER did indeed pull on the GTA in the top end. Yea it took him a bit to start pulling and at first he was way behind but he did come up and pass us in his car. At a dig the GTA would stomp him. I dont know why he pulled past, im thinking maybe the fact he has 2.73's maybe that did something. I dont know why. But it did happen.

 

I know a guy with a Mach1 that had a JLT cai and a complete bassani exhaust and it took him slicks to reach 13.3.

 

thats not typical. my buddies full bolt on GT does 13.3's on drag radials
Mach I out here with ET streets ran high 12's with exhaust mods

 

I agree, I know a guy who let his 16 year old daughter drive their Mach1 and she went 13.2 if I recall. I have seen a handful of 13.2-13.4s at crappy tracks, and even almost bought a Grey one that went 12.9 with just a set of flowmasters. Granted not all cars are created equally, but the Machs 1s are actually suprisingly fast. 13.5 was the slowest I have seen in the 1/4 and 8.8 was the slowest in the 1/8th (into a big headwind).

Are you sure you didnt pass him because he let off. An L98 in good tune with a drag racer behind the wheel will not get beat by a mid 15 second car, and thats not a guess, those are facts.

 

Im assuming your talking to me?? Yea he didnt let off. I was a passenger in the GTA, the driver of the GTA was pretty shocked too. Ritters car was seriously sometimes freaky and not freaky like 800hp freaky but wow how in the hell did this wussy 305 just do that freaky. By no means is it a scary drag car, but sometimes it is weird.

 

OK time to settle this once and for all .... I raced a guy at work who has a 91 LO-3 automatic Camaro with my 3.8 automatic 97 camaro and my camaro kicked the 91's butt simple as that ... 3 quik sprints and my 97 beat him everytime. My camaro is bone stock with 3.42 gears. Now I know for a fact my 82 trans am's hybrid L-98 with LO-3 TBI system and 5 speed and 3.73 gears can walk away from my camaro.

SOOOOOOO there is no way in hell this guys LO-3 camaro can run with a GT if my 3.8 97 can beat a LO-3 ..... Now my Trans am can run with my friends 1990 stock 6 speed corvette. It never wins however generally it is 1-2 car lengths behind so I would guestimate it as being a repectful mid 14 second car and his vette gets me out of the hole everytime. Now I would think a L-98 GTA is equally as quik as my 82 trans am.

I think everyone will agree with what I'm saying here that a GT is about as quik or quiker then a 1990 corvettes times. Oh and my 82 trans am is really nothing special. Stock 1990 L-98 with LO-3 TBI system, 350 TPI exhaust system, Caprice 350 chip, stock 5 speed, 373 gears. The gears are probably the only reason it can stay with a higher geared TPI L-98 firebird. aside from that I think they are equal in every aspect.

So sorry LO-3 stock staying on the bumper of a GT is a fiction story simple as that. Or the GT owner was mearly playing with you is all

 

Ummm... I am not going off what he says she says, I am going by the timeslips his car ran which he stated in here...

That in itself will not beat my ld Jeep Grand Cherokee, let alone a stock L98 or Mustang. Tell me all the stories of the car being a freak one day and a dog the next but the facts are the facts and have been posted by the car owner.

 

I dont personally thinik 1/4 mile times are the only way to judge a vehicles performance. I understand what your saying about a car running 15.6 or whatever and you being able to take it in your Jeep. I believe you probably would in the 1/4 mile. Hell I had an old cutlass with a 350 olds all stock junk 170hp with a 2.41 rearend. I never took it to the track but my buddys 98 jeep cherokee smoked the crap out of it when we touched it off at lower speeds. But when we raced a couple times going down the highway I schooled his ***. So yea in the 1/4 he probably would have killed me just becuase he took off a hell of alot faster and was down the 1/4 before my engine would even start revving enough to make use of the sad 2.41's. All im saying is the GTA thing did happen. I dont know about the stang stuff I wasnt there. I can give you another example. The same buddy with the GTA had a 84 Monte carlo with 4.11 posi and a 327. Im not sure on motor specs but it was mean as **** on the street. He took it up to the track. It ran 13.98 on M/T slicks, that was the best time. Average was probably 14.4. Not that great in my opinion. However on the street he took a lightning that supposedly was 450 rearwheel horsepower. Dont know if thats true but the guys who own it are ford freaks and all own some type of stang or lightning and drag them at Milan. He took a fox body style Cobra with headers full exhaust and some other bolt ons. Guy said it was a low 13 second car. Yes they were racing. They were both from a roll. I was in the monte both times. Theres other stuff he beat but nothing to brag about. I think its possible for a slower car at the track to beat a faster track car on the street. Probably not if both start from a deadstop but at a roll I think things can be different.

 

Okay, I understand the slower car at the track beating a faster car on the street. I'm in that club. I can only drive my '98 Z28 to an 11.92 1/4 ET, but I'm consistently trapping 117-118mph.. That MPH is good for bottom 11s if I had a drag suspension and a stalled auto (or could drive the 6-speed). So while I can only drive to a high 11, I'd be able to play with low-mid 11sec cars on the street (from a roll of course).

HOWEVER, the part of this story that makes no sense (all ETs aside) is the fact that he trapped 83-84mph. There is no way in hell a car trapping 83-84MPH is going to be able to keep up with a car on the street (at any speed where traction is not an issue) that traps 15-20mph faster than it....no WAY. That stock L98 car should be trapping mid 90's stock, again, no way those two will be close at a roll race ever, and the only chance the L03 would have against the L98 is assuming the L98 has shitty tires and smokes em while the L03 can't even spin its single drive tire, but even that race would be over as soon as the L98 let off enough to grab traction.

You shouldn't even be able to play with a '99-03 V6 Mustang. The 96-98s...sure, have your way with them (and you might be able to hang with some of the stock auto GT's), but the '99+ cars were noticeably quicker. The 05+ cars even better. I barely edged out an '05 GT in my '98 Z28 when I only had the cat-back/lid.

 

Just wanted everyone to re-read my original post!

I wasn't anywhere near beating it, pulling on it or anything of that sort and never said I was! I simply stated that from the speed of about 65mph to 100mph he had pulled on me to my front bumber. This speed is not anywhere near the same as going from 0-35mph, I raced a few Mustang's when I had that car and the only when that I ever beat was an old carbed one (like early 80's) **** I got beat by a Dodge Caravan in that car from a stop light!!! But the car had excellent top end acceleration (for what it was especially) I know there wasn't a chance in hell that I was going to catch the GT

 

Well the race did happen and RITTER did pull. As far as V6 stangs go. No one will probably believe me when I tell you guys I raced and beat an 03' Convertible from a 20mph roll and let off around 65 still about a half a truck ahead. Yes I said truck becuase I was in my 95' K1500 shortbox extended cab with a 350TBI, cat back exhaust, 3.42 gears.

 

[quote=DuronClocker;3421078]Okay, I understand the slower car at the track beating a faster car on the street. I'm in that club. I can only drive my '98 Z28 to an 11.92 1/4 ET, but I'm consistently trapping 117-118mph.. That MPH is good for bottom 11s if I had a drag suspension and a stalled auto (or could drive the 6-speed). So while I can only drive to a high 11, I'd be able to play with low-mid 11sec cars on the street (from a roll of course).
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I was in the car with a buddy of mine in a 2000 Z28 that runs a 12.8 at the track and we were on the highway comming back from the track and we raced a 10 sec. procharged foxbody and beat him from a 45mph roll. The stang pulled on us at first but those 4.56 gears killed him on the highway and caused us to win.

 

Believe me, I understand about roll races and how they change what a faster car vs a slower car means, but the fact is thirdgens don't have top end pull, especially 170 hp thirdgens. The stock gears help top end runs, but from 65 to 100 the gears wont matter much if at all, especially with a car like said before, trapping 15+ mph more.

Hell I ran with a Lamborghini on the highway, and the race was skewed in my favor, and although he didn't get by me until about 110-115, I would in NO way say anything about keeping up with it.

The 15.6 @ 83 you ran is way more of a deciding factor on how fast your car is, then a short highway roll with anything. Trust me on this one.

 

I own a Marauder, that has the 302 hp DOHC 4.6, and it is still only a low 15 second car stock. The police interceptor vics are mid 16 second cars. LOL that was quite the kill.

In today's world, we have enough technology that even really boring 4 door cars are at least in the 15s w/ V6s. The maximas, acura TL's, etc are 14 second cars stock. The only thing an LO3 might beat would be a mini van. Even the stock V6 mustang would keep up with you, the V8 mustang would destroy you probably by at least a full second in the 1/4. Dreamin'.

 

And again, never said the Crown Vic was fast. you all just keep assuming I'm saying something, or something I don't even know

And thanks for the part about the 1/4 mile again YOU ARE AN IDIOT thank you come again

BTW the Mustang would get ahead by that second or probably a little more under 60 mph

 

And then after 60mph he would just continue to pull away faster and faster. You're best chance would be under 60mph, and even at that, I don't even think I'd call that a chance.

 

Umm, Fbodies usually ONLY have the launch to get out in front. You guys weigh close to the same, you make 170 hp, he makes 260 hp, he can rev to 5500+ your cars done well before 5000 RPM. These aren't assumptions, these are facts!

 

ritter is a retard you may have never said your formula is fast but you said you were at his bumper at a 65 mph roll up to 110?? He would be so far in front of you you wouldnt kno what u were racing. Also you said stock gt's are slow that makes you a dumbass right there if he slow what are you?

 

i just dont think ppl understand how much difference there is in a car that traps 84mph and one that traps 98mph.

there is abig difference in a 99mph car (my car) and a 102mph car (my buddies LT1 and my buddies GT stang) you can see my vid in the drag section, i got a full tenth or two on the reaction time and jumped out to a lead (his stang nose behind my bumper 5 ft or so) and he caught me in the 1/4 mile every time. thats only a 3mph difference in trap speeds. i can imagine the beating a Gt would do to a 84-85mph trapping TBI car from a roll on the highway or from a dig. it just wont be pretty

 

So if you have a slow car you cant state the obvious about other cars?? Bickering back and forth in this thread is pointless. Dont believe he passed an almighty L98 or kept up with a stang for a little bit, thats cool. Not like hes saying he smoked them both at the track. Hes just saying he messed with them a bit and kept up with the stang. Then passed an L98 which I know for a fact he did.

 

ok my car rear wheeled dynoed at 192rwhp on a mustang dyno, in Jackson county MI

Ya'll can say whatever, but I know I passed a 350TPI GTA and stayed at the bumper of a 99-03 Mustang from 65-100mph (not 110) I have also taken a S2000 from a 20mph roll, those are low 14 second cars

 

that car couldnt have been stock. S2000 is as fast as a GT stang, they have crazy top end.

L98 had a passenger, so i can almost see that you passed him if the L98 was not running strong as it could have been. a L98 with extra weight and a motor in need of a tune, you might beable to run down. still dont know why you were able to hang with the GT or beat a s2000. they just had to have been bad drivers. but oh well, its no big deal

 

yeah thats how I seen it, I'm not seriously trying to start arguement. Just stating the obvious.

 

192 rwhp on a Mustang dyno...

Post the dyno sheet, if this is true your car is not stock, and I am willing to bet not a 305.

That and how does a 192 rwhp car run middle to upper 15s @ 84 mph?

A lot of things aren't adding up here...

 

I'm not the one that dynoed it, the captain I bought the car from told me

 

Sure sounds like he lied to you, 190 rwhp WILL run way better than mif to high 15s. My dads car ran mid 13s with a tire and 212 to the tires.

 

yeah well it's whatever, I don't even own the car anymore and it's making me sad talking about it

I might be getting another third generation Firebird soon so, later guys