hey now dont talk that evolution bs here, god created us all, seriously though lets not debate this too, that'd be another thread and a half

 

All I have to say is this:

http://youtu.be/34CGPY6QhDE

 

 

I ironed mine out. figured like good clothing you don't want wrinkles in it

 

Cuz they are used to lawnmowers?

 

are you in the right thread bro?

 

I have respect for all fast cars, doesn't mean I like them. I personally hate honda's, every kid and his idiot friend has a beat up mismatched civic around here with a 4 inch muffler out, and hi rise spoiler. Most slower than stock because of those "mods".

Even when they are "fixed up", freshly painted, and have like 15k under the hood, I still think they look like grocery getters. It's the same thing as trying to make a geo fast in my eyes, how can you have pride driving such a cheap car. Sure you can do it, but why do kids think they look cool? The Fast and Furious.

To me civics are the Chrysler of the racing scene.... Disgraceful unreliable pos's. I went to school with nothing but those types of kids, and every single one of those cars had a major problem.

Hell brand new Civic SI hatch I seen on the road was already burning oil shooting blue smoke all over the road. How can you even consider something like that reliable?

Comes down to preference I suppose.

 

For the first bolded part...I paid $2200 for my TA, and I'm sure most 3rd gens can be had for under $3K. Are you saying our cars are expensive compared to a honda?

And for the second part, My brother had a 1990 civic with 360K miles on the odometer...ran perfect! My honda is a 1990 as well with 116K on it and it runs like brand new. My other brother has a 98 civic with 212K on it and it runs great as well. How are they unreliable?

 

Cheap as in quality, not price. And everyone on the internet has cars that run for 500k miles. No need to argue about that. I was strictly talking about those who try and mod their hondas to make them fast. Not bone stock ones.

Bone stock civics are just like any other cheap *** economy car.

Some random jokes:
honda? Hold on not done accelerating...... olol
90% of all fords are still on the road today, the other 10% made it home.

 

Our era was over when the 80's started. Picked up alittle recently... The import era is booming now. Fast n furious is to imports as smokey n the bandit/vanishing point was to us muscles.. I have yet to lose to an import and i have a stock 305 firebird.. Mainly because people here slap a fart can and call it high performance around here... What im trying to say is... Our time happened already. There time has arrived. It will pass in probably ten years or so. Let them have their fun. They will never sound as sexy as an american v8.

 

Sound is completely objective. I can find an example of an exhaust note I love from every engine family from rotaries to inline 4-5-6, flat 4-6-8, V6-8-10-12.....

I can also find examples of those same engines that I HATE. Can't stand flowmaster 305TBI cars, all noise no go for the same reason I can't stand a fart-canned civic.

For example I just about any exhaust noise that comes from an inline 6. Be it from a Supra, BMW, or Skyline. I have a special place reserved for the noise that Porsche's flat six engines make, the 911 GT3 RS 4.0 makes incredible noise that I can listen to all day long. Ferrari F355, The GM LS7...etc. Goes on and on.

I'm more of a petrol head than anything else. I can appreciate all engines.

One of my favorite noises is the Brabham V16 engine. A 1.5L supercharged V16. Incredible noise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZMPDCNyQxE

Here's an audio sessions from our Road America HPDE rental we do every year. I put my phone set to record and recorded several 20 minute sessions of audio. I'm sorry about the voices, I couldn't get the mic right next to the track so it was sitting near us at grid. Featured are the GM LS engines, SBC, Viper V10s, BMW inline 6s, Nissan GT-Rs. Lots of cars.

The A class clip is almost 40 minutes long, but has bout 20 minutes with no cars so you can skip the middle. There was a nasty wreck and I forgot to turn it off while we waited for track clean-up.

The B-class is about 17 minutes long.
http://home.comcast.net/~thirdgen89g...ra_a-class.mp3
http://home.comcast.net/~thirdgen89g...ra_b-class.mp3

 

Ok that last section i made was more of an opinion...i was mainly referring to the cars you normally see on the road. How many people drive skylines?

 

you mean like this little toyota
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy-bX8jKWoI
or maybe this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR751...eature=related

or if you wanna look at nissans
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_moZvjymYI
or here ya go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u5y6...eature=related

 

Yeah, no.

 

ron let me ask you whats the problem with the sound those cars made?

second question did you even watch the videos?

 

Yes I did watch the videos. I've been listening to too many Classic Chambered and glasspack samples to think those sound "really good" lol.
But really, the Toyotas lack a certain quality that muscle cars have to their sound and a few of those simply have their exhaust cut. Any fool can make a car sound "bad" by cutting the exhaust off.

 

I like the first one alot... But its still not as throaty as a v8... All the cars sound good except the last one... But what these cars most likely lack is high rpm in gear sound... Sure they sound good idling and a quick rev. But imports no matter how beefy soundwise sound crappy passed 3000 rpm

 

You pinpointed it.

It's hard to compare one of those to something like this

http://youtu.be/y90X6wPJt7k
this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWu6r6sTcFg
or this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2YLERQvPQQ

 

One every day on my way to work if I park in the west lot.

 

I see almost as many GT-Rs as I do C6 Z06s.

See tons more normal vettes, but GT-Rs aren't that much out of the price range of a new Z06.

Skylines themselves being that they weren't sold in the US are much more rare. I have seen 1 or 2. They were all over Japan when I was living there. I'd see 5-10 a day, as much as you see a normal vette here.

 

Whether something sounds good or not is completely subjective and pointless to argue.

Personally I HATE the sound of unbaffled Harleys, they sound like a wet fart, through a loose sphincter, but the owners seem to like it. :shrug:

There are many V8 engines that I find sound equally as appaling, though there are a few I like.

My favorite sounds though are of the old F1 cars. 18000+ RPM song... Oh how I wish I could have that sound emanating from my exhaust without spending millions on engine development and fitting. LOL

Renault F1 engine dyno: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_QyUD6V5_I

Early '90's Renault test Cell, where it was someone that actually "drove" the engine, not computer simulated track conditions. :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OS_k...eature=related

More Renault F1 test cell: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2jTK...eature=related

Honda test cell: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=014-Jxskqm4

 

What do you think you're listening to?

Also more torque then you're typical stock transam, almost as much as a transam gta

 

Dint forget the nova, that symbolizes american power right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tzzad...e_gdata_player

Edit: sorry at work on my phone so auto correct bites me sometimes wroth sure words our spelling plus it its a pain to multi quote

 

It would be if I stuck a pair of top fuel slicks in there on a custom 9 inch behind a nitrous'd 454
But come on, the nameplate was only revived to attract Chevy loyalists hard-pressed for fuel. That generation was built on a Toyota platform

 

Yes but if w are going to and distort imports only to the worst and domestics to the best then why can't we switch the cards around.

If nothing else I can show you some clips of v12 imports

 

It's not imports that I hate, it's ricers. And I'm pretty sure putting an exhaust system on your infiniti that causes you to lose 5hp (second to last video you posted, if I'm not mistaken) is ricing.
There are definitely imports and tuners that are great and can beat American muscle, but they just don't strike the right chord for me. I'd much rather have a can of good 'ol American V8 whoopass
Plus, what do you think chicks dig more- a well-tuned Civic or a thundering Camaro?

 

Can't hear them.at work so wont be able to listen. Why do you day out would cost five horsepower though?


that's fine. To each their own. I would much prefer imported v8/v12 goodness
There we go stereotyping again. Remember the same can be said with what would a chic/guy prefer, a nice worked over 370z or a chevette

 

First point: he said the system caused him to lose 5 hp on the dyno.

Second: Ok. I think we can agree to disagree then.

Third: I thought we were speaking in terms relative to price. 370z is way out of the range of a Chevette. Civic and Thirdgen Camaro are pretty close.

 

Alright what about bmw, mercedes, supra, 300zx, 3000gt and so on versus thirdgen

 

Ok fine, it's all preference. There are entirely too many variables to generalize with yes or no.



....this must be the most pointless thread on these forums

 

Yes it is but you sol keep conning back

 

Haha I'm unsubscribing. I think I've contributed enough pointless banter :P

 

you couldn't tell?

 

come on.pointless its not you can still enjoy it

 

Well for some reason even though I unsubscribed I'm still getting notifications O.o

For everybody's enjoyment here is a quote I gathered from a lacrosse forum I'm on.

"You're like a Prius; I'm like the 1967 Shelby GT 500 about to embarrass you and make you wish you were never born. Run run run little prius."

And for the record, he totally could. He's squatted 525 while weighing in at 181 lbs

 

Double post by user error

 

I think it funny how people with cars designed to be fast or quick, seem to compare them to Prius' to say how much better they are...
Umm... the Prius is designed for economy at moderate engine speeds, not racing.

 

Not bad I guess. Never done a squat only leg press. Was doing around 375 at 12 years old. Can maybe do 50 now though. My knees are shot from wrestling and hockey

 

oh man it's a real life internet dick measuring contest! I've got 8.5" here who can beat me?!!??!

LOL @ the SRK section

 

damn i'm 8 and a quarter, you win this time, but my ***** are huge!!!

 

sorry about double post, but lacrosse is gay

 

You can't really take that literally- he was talking about athletic prowess. And if you think about it, my car is better in both terms of expense and overall pollution.

1. Mine cost $2500, a Prius costs at least $31,000. The money I didn't spend on my car will pay for gas and maintenance for a good couple of years
2. I'm re-using (or recycling) a car that someone didn't want anymore. I didn't force companies to burn up resources and create pollution by producing my car. Plus, I don't have a huge battery that required some company to rape the earth and then refine said earth-rape material using a toxic process, nor do I have to worry about how that said battery will be disposed of.

 

You're just jealous because I have a 6 foot pole. If you're referring to the "bro" culture that's associated with lacrosse, I understand- that's gay as hell.

 

I'm only about 4 1/2" and my thumb is thicker around then my staff. but you know what does it matter. cars are like my staff. they aren't there to please someone else but rather to make me happy.

 

LOL, I can guarantee that the Prius uses far less fuel than your car, offseting any production costs. I know, because I drive one occasionally. The Prius has some surprising pick up (acceleration), and is fairly comfortable to drive.
You haven't included the maintenance and the replacement parts in your little
post there, both in terms of monetary costs and production costs, that the Prius won't need for years to come.

The batteries, just like any battery will be recycled and used to make new batteries. The batteries are designed to last a minimum of 10 years, while the typical under hood battery has a life expectancy of about 3. Replacing the typical battery 3 times in the same period would have approximately the equivalent resources used that a single Prius battery uses.

What I was really getting at was the fact that so many people compare their cars to the Prius to prove how "bad it is."

The Top Gear "test" where they had the Prius racing around the track with a Mercedes following behind, is using the Prius in a way it was not designed for. The Prius was designed for fuel efficiency in typical commuter traffic, which it does very well in.

The other Top Gear "reporting" that says that the batteries use so much in the way of resources, is a bit skewed. There are thousands of batteries and supplies to make those batteries shipped at a time, so the environmental cost per battery is really quite low. Also consider that many of the conventional batteries you will buy will make similar if not the same trip along it's manufacturing process.

 

Is that why at a muscle car show, you have a bunch of beat looking harley chicks, but at nopi or any of the import events, there are gorgeous half naked girls having wet t-shirt contests and strutting around being photographed on the cars? But honestly, I have always seen much better quality women at the import shows than the muscle car shows. The import scene is young, hip, and whats "in" now, and thats what attracts the women.

And as far as the prius, you know what they say about the factories that make the batteries....."don't drink the water."

 

OK, now that I'm done filling out my college applications I can engage in pointless debate of all kinds and argue my points to the death even if I'm wrong.

Sure, it's a perfectly good commuter car- I spent a fair amount of time in my aunt's Prius and she was getting 48-51 mpg highway. Electric motors have max torque available from 0rpm so I don't doubt you on the pickup.

Now let's work from the assumption that I am to only make modifications that improve fuel economy and will use it as a DD.
1. Whole exhaust done with mostly used parts for around $250
2. Install EBL Flash to program- piece of cake $350
3. Install higher capacity fuel pump because of headers $50
4. Clean fuel injectors (just to be safe, yanno?) $50
5. Re-ring pistons $100 incl cost of engine stand
6. Do a little port work on the heads, nothing major $0
7. Install a used Torsen rear with 2.73 gears- can't lose control in bad weather $150
8. Oh no, my transmission needs a rebuild!!! $1000
9. Damn this thing's riding rough- new shocks and struts and poly bushings. I'll even get new springs while I'm at it.. $350
10. Hmm, I could use an oil change $30
11. I could use a new water pump, aw hell I'll replace the belt too. $100
12. You know what, I think I'll take care of the cracked dash pad, it's been a few years. $30
13. New battery. One that'll last me a good few years $60
...let me know when I hit $28,500

Actually, I think I'll see how much gas that gets me. I'll use $3.50 per gallon- gas prices have stayed relatively stable when adjusted for inflation.

Let's say I average 25 mpg- not unrealistic.
Now let's say I drive uh.. 20,000 miles per year. Definitely more than average.
That's 800 gallons per year vs 400; $2800 vs $1400

Over 10 years that's $28,000. Add $500 because I like Mountain Dew. That's $28,500. Add the cost of my car- $2500 and I have spent $31,000.

On the other hand the guy that bought the Prius spent $14,000. He probably doesn't even drink soda so I won't add $500 for Mountain Dew stops. Add the cost of the car and he'll have spent $45,000. Not even bothering to mention the taxes at purchase (yes I know you get a tax break) or interest due to car payments.

Now let's factor in maintenance and upgrades.

Me: I'm not going to bother adding up all the crap I posted before so I'll make it $3,000. And then I'll triple that- $9,000. Then I'll add on another $2,000 for some other stuff. And I'll add another $500 (I really like mountain dew).
So far I've spent $42,500 to keep my car running for 10 years. Not bad! I got to have a fun, cool commuter car and still spent less than the guy in the Prius spent on gas and the purchase of his car.

Now the guy in the base-line Prius has to tack on maintenance. Toyotacare only lasted for just over a year if he's driving the same amount of miles. Actually, I'm going to be super-nice. I'm going to say that every part of his car is enhanced with kryptonite (except the battery). No maintenance. But wait! you need a new battery. That'll be $2,300 sir (I'm assuming that the purchaser of this Prius is man enough to do this task himself)

So after nearly 11 hypothetical years I am finally bested by the Prius not even superman can hurt. Not a bad run IMO.

As for pollution, sure they use less gas buts far more resources go into the production of the Prius than do many other cars. Imagine the engineering and resources that went into producing the latest Prius with an Atkinson cycle engine. (Gemma Atkinson ain't bad though *Do not open this at work* http://images.psxextreme.com/wallpap...tkinson_02.jpg )

The cost of development and installation for parts on my car is extremely low. Why? 'Cause the parts have been out there for ages and almost everything on an SBC can be made to work on another SBC so I'll be ok with a bunch of used parts and the occasional new part that there have already been so many copies made of that developmental costs are largely irrelevant. Plus, by doing all the work myself I actually spend time that would be otherwise wasted investing in myself in both the knowledge I gain and in the money I save.


I can't really debate anything here except for the fact that a battery with a 3 year lifespan is horrible. I think 5 is a much more reasonable number. Edge: Non-hybrid

Probably the worst thing I've learned in doing all this research is that the batteries in all my old R/C cars are toxic


As I've said, they're certainly not horrible as far as a commuter car goes. If someone wants to spend 30-40k on a car that only gives them good gas mileage, they can do it. The reason people so frequently make that comparison is probably because we all associate green with slow. Not like you'll ever stand in the parking lot as everybody leaves a car show, sniff the air and say "My this spring air smells ripe with the flavor of life"

True. Your point is valid.

Ok, you got me there.

Also, Jeff Dunham on the Prius: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQcSOP2AzXU

And because this is the internet and there are no real rules about moderation, and I'm a fairly new member: I would like to ask forgiveness to be given for my scathing denunciation of your views and that I not be sentenced to the Kingdom of Ban (seriously, that would damn near kill me. I have a lot of stuff I'm doing with my car now and 2 deals pending)

 

That's because the muscle show environment is more or less geared towards the family and older men tend to be the ones who have the muscle cars (and usually the money for those muscle cars). I've seen the NOPI shows too, they're ridiculous. They're also filled with younger guys that don't care about a family environment.
If you have an import and a muscle show right next to each other, both filled with the same age guys, and then let a bunch of girls in they'd almost certainly go to the muscle car show

But then again, it's pretty damn nice to be different

 

You know that awkward moment when you are about to tag team a girl, and the guy next to you has a comparatively smaller *****?
Lol....it's ok though, he drives a prius

 

One word, vasaline.