The Dynojet is not but the Mustang dyno is.

Drive your car in direct drive at lower RPM and I can assure you it will. GM used a restrictor plate on the early vortecs to kill off the throttle response of a large single tb.

 

Wouldn't exactly call my motor lacking compression by any sense of imagination. Its 9.8:1 static compression ratio and tiny cams with a very early IVC. Its dynamic compression ratio is actually very high for an engine designed to pull around a truck that can pull 9300 lbs on pump gas. The intake runners when combined with the head ports are over 20" long. Picture a TPI with a bellmouthed entry at every port and about 1.5x the port area with about 2x the plenum area.

3,000 rpm is the MID-range of a VK56 with stock cams.

With a locked torque converter it would probably lose 15-20 ft/lbs and gain 10-15 hp.

 

Been on a different dyno with a previous setup, smaller cam and stock vortecs at the time. Put down 330 rwhp. It makes good power and moves around 6200 lbs with ease despite lack of gearing in 1st gear. 2.48 1st gear and 3.73 final

The combo falls right where it should looking at other results with the edelbrock etec/performer LT1 heads.

 

Also have the dyno charts of not one, not two, but 3 different Titans on the Mustang dyno...The owner of said Mustamg dyno also put his truck on a different Dynojet and saw the same 10% gain in numbers that I saw on the dynojet I tested on. I have charts from an 04 before and after headers, a 2006 before and after headers and after a merge Y based exhaust and an 05 with headers using 3" collectors.

Steve @ PRT is building an improved version of the Nismo headers built for the Titan. Here is his blog and dyno numbers further improving my point. His truck is a 2004 that has smaller diameter intake runners, fixed intake cam on a relatively wide lsa, and cams smaller in both lift and duration.

http://prtperformance.com/blog/?p=111

 

Here is another chart from a friend of mines 2006. Run 1 was before headers, Run 2 after original nismo headers and Run 3 after a 2.5 to 3" merge Y based exhaust was fitted.



Me racing this 2006, I always had a horrible time getting off the line on street tires in that truck. Even spinning and him jumping the gun and redlighting, the finish margin was less than .1s.

 

Mine will not stay direct drive so that will not happen. I dont see how that trans does if electronically controlled

 

Its the most reluctant transmission to downshift at part-throttle I have ever been around. On the highway at 65 mph you can push the throttle over 1/2 way open before it ever even unlocks the converter. In most vehicles this would not work too well, but it accelerates just fine. Going uphill at 40-45 mph with light throttle has it at ~1,000 rpm and it holds speed despite the low rpm. I often shift into 4th around town because I like the added response and don't mind the slight fuel economy hit.

 

Yet another run starting at 2,500 rpm with peak at 3,000ish. I will say I have I have never seen an engine as sensitive to header design and collector/exhaust diameter as this one. Two trucks, 2.5" vs 3" and the 3" MURDERD torque.

 

That doesnt sound like it should be doing that. That would get annoying for highway passing. Gm on the other hand downshifts to much.

 

The 2009 I drove was the same way with 2.94 gears. Both my 2012 and now 2014 have had 3.36s and drove the same with the exception of the 2wd 2012 having 500 rpm higher WOT shift points. The 2012 would burry the tach into the red at 6,100 and often catch the 6,150 fuel kill on the 1-2 shift. The 2014 shifts at 5600.

Its actually kinda nice that it doesn't downshift until you really get on it. Really does not need to. Even the Tow/Haul mode really doesnt change the 3-4 and 4-3 shifts much if any.

 

Here you go a few screenshots of acquired data from both my Express and Titan that both have large diameter single bore throttle bodies. At 2,000-2,500 NEITHER sees a signifigant increase in airflow above 50% throttle, the Express sees very little increase above 40%.







Idle


Off-idle to WOT



2.08 throttle volts is right at 40% opening comparing idle to WOT

 

Some of you guys are too funny lol...

 

I have spent the last week and a half reading this thread in all of it's 42 pages. Since some people may not be as dedicated to doing that, I thought I'd give a little recap.....

It all began in 2008...one man with his rant....

It continued on, by post 506 (page 11) we had "gems of knowledge" such as this...

Then came post 693 (page 14), one of my personal favorites:

By post 1185 (page 24) disbelief was running rampant...

Then in post 1305 (page 27) a random post about lawncare appeared, TO WHICH there was never an explanation.......

Post 1524 (page 31) had an interesting thought on mobile homes:

FINALLY post 1803 (page 37) broke out one of the most classic disses of all time:

And now, after 6 years, over 2000 posts, and 42 pages this thread is now talking about something to do with hp numbers and stuff for a nissan pickup truck.

There is much MUCH more to be found in this thread if one dares to venture, name calling, flaming, member measurements, pink tuxedos, oh the list goes on...

BUT, I will just leave those for some curious and no doubt determined member to seek out.

Happy hunting fellow thirdgenners.

 

RedLeader289 yo daddy so red neck his son owns a thirdgen Camaro from the early 80's
Take that Foo!

 

Don't believe anthing fast355 posts

http://api.viglink.com/api/click?for...s.net%20Forums

 

Redleader, the only reason I mentioned anything in regards to a nissan was in response to fast355's comment... I could care less about a "Datsun"... The ONLY reason I registered to this site is because I own a third gen. The only reason I posted on this thread at all was because of the palpable idiocy for members of a site to bash the very cars in which the site even exists to begin with.

 

Wikedvk you have made my night lol he's been spouting stuff on here for a while, call his bluff and out comes the*titan talk, evidently you guys calling him out and he brings out the "383 LT1 C3"

I can be good at this game too; I'm now the proud owner of an R34 skyline however I can't show anyone anything concrete about it, but I have it, so don't question me on it because I'll pull some of the most repetitive stuff out of nowhere and try to beat you down in an argument using 99% exaggerated "facts"

Seriously man excellent thread to read, I give it a 10.

 

Haha, agreed.

 

I don't even know what you're talking about, did you type in my name when you meant someone else's instead?

 

Fast355 has zero credibility on every forum. Everything he spews is pure crap. This is his life making up stories. Other screen names you can find him
06hemiram,fast355,fast305,carguychris. etc

 

Wikdvk I know (now), and I wasn't trying to give you $#!+ redleader, you mentioned ppl talking about nissan pickup #'s and I was just letting you know that I was only replying to fast355' comment. The other stuff was about the fact that I didn't join the forum to discuss nissan pickups. Which fast355 brought up in the first place...

 

Ah, I understand, thanks for clariying

 

Told you the torque was BS.

Fast355: "But but but, it's a VK with NOS!!!"

 

I bought a 92 rs for 400$, put in a 350 I got for free, then put in a cam that cost about 120$ and it ran a 14.3 quarter mile. Lol I'd say that's cheap power

 

Nice! Good bang fore the buck performance!

 

Yep! The guy I sold it to loves it! I beat a no2 b16 crx at the track

 

Why did you sell it?

 

It had a bunch of rust spots and some dents, plus I have a 89 IROC with no rust, I figured I can always build another motor, but it would be hard for me to reverse rust lol

 

Good cheap combo there. L31 vortecs are generally cheap and easy to pickup and you can still find F/Y-car LT1 cams cheap. Cheap easy way to 330+ hp.

 

Oh look king lies is back. Do you think any of these guys take you serious after you got exposed AGIAN. Didn't think you would get caught again?? your a joke

 

Dude seriously what is your problem . Get a life

 

I don't like liars and people that come on forum taking credit from other people. DO YOU? read this

http://api.viglink.com/api/click?for...s.net%20Forums

 

I do alot of my own work Mike, get a life! You couldn't even put cams in your own truck or tune it!

Oh and look what the Titan is getting next!!! Picked them up friday. Already have the heatshields off and the nuts soaking with penetrating oil. Even at only 5550 miles I am not taking chances with the studs. Oh and my fresh LT4 heads for the 383 LT1.

 

He is seriously probably bored with his forum. What CAI or muffler to run. What tuner to buy. Or who has the cheapest plasti dip.

 

Your going to be exposed on every forum your on ........Hows that fake dyno you posted again going for ya? or the fake dodge truck you pretended was yours? or the fake times you claim you ran?

 

My Ram that doesn't exist!

 

Holy God, enough with the damned Titan. It's a TRUCK. No more about it, please. A thread about a truck is mind numbing in the extreme.

 

How about a bone stock Fiesta ST clicking off a high 14 second pass at 95mph? I expect the ET's will drop as owners learn to drive them better. If it wasn't wrong wheel drive that ET would be a lower. I wouldn't mind one, but for daily driving purposes I needed a bit more room, so the Focus ST was what I got. I really wanted the RS, its just 2 years ago there was no word on the Mk3 Focus RS. Now we know its going to have 330hp, ~330lb/ft torque, and come in about 3300lbs. It is very tempting.

Cars are going places faster and faster. Dodge and their 204mph Charger Hellcat, then you have the tiny hatches that perform almost as well as the 3rd gen F-bodies did.

What was once king of the streets is now sub-par performance. But thats progress, and progress is good.

 

You're the one that brought a dead thread back up. Speaking of which might be a truck but it would still kick the hell out of any stock L98 F-car in a drag race.

 

Stock for a third gen isn't anything to brag about.

It's a small block chevy, there is almost no excuse as to why you couldn't make it faster if you wanted to.

 

Same thing applies to anything. I have a SBC 350 Vortec in a 99 C1500 Suburban that runs 9.20-9.30s in the 1/8 with a very simple and inexpensive parts list. LT1 cam, hooker long tubes, hooker dual exhaust, K&B CAI, S10 torque converter, transgo hd2 shift kit, stock 3.73 posi, and PCM tune

 

My brothers 3.6 Avenger with a CAI and magnaflow muffler swap with resonator delete ran 9.00 in the 1/8. Everybody claims the 60s where the performance high point, but I disagree, it is TODAY.

 

"Avengers, Fiestas, Nissan trucks... Who gives a ****"

 

I'll run any stock l98 against my stock focus St.

I enjoy both immensely. I love my thirdgen.

But if you were to pit two factory stock examples against each other the thirdgen would lose in every objective category.

Hot hatches have come a long way.

 

People who actually have nice modern vehicles. As soon as you put the pedal down next to a pickup truck and get left behind you might care too!! You may love your 5.0L, but it was a 15 second car when it was new and most 4 bangers on the road today can run with it if not outrun it.

 

Ive have nice modern vehicles the last 20yrs mr fast355. Yea so what if my wifes altima can outrun my firebird. It doesnt mean much to me. My car outran 4bangers in its day. I outran a 69 Chevelle SS with a 87 GTA. So what the other car was worth 10 of mine. If i wanted to race i would build a RACE car. I wouldnt be racing altimas and ford focuses and crap.

 

I wouldnt race work vans and suburbans thats just so #$%*

 

Bingo! Give this man a cigar. Who in their right mind would run a factory powered LB9/L98 3rd gen against anything stock today lol? TPI engines can't breath, have horrible factory programming, and even more horrible factory cam specs, coupled with ridiculous stall speed limits and unmatched gearing. Some of you guys are hilarious...

Bingo again! Flip it around. Let's see how an '89 Honda fairs against a new Camaro...

Many variables I am sure, but very very possible...

Don't need a "race" car, just an engine that breaths enough air throughout the RPM band to satisfy the displacement.

 

Not sure why everyone brings up old hondas considering they never made a performance car in that era. They were concentrating on performance motorcycles. Although their 2.0 I4 did make more Hp and Tq per L than the L98 and they had 1.6Ls that made 100hp per L


The only jap company making performance cars in the USA at that time was mazda. The supra put out a modest 205HP in 89 but did not bump up to "276" until 1990

 

If a stock L98 thirdgen ran 18's from the factory, it would still be preferable and cooler than any truck, bar none.