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Old Sep 26, 2011 | 10:32 PM
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are you on your xbox playing forza right now?lol i dunno much about turbo setups but i know a stage 4 turbo kit sounds like something out of a video game. turbos and intercoolers have sizes not stages
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Stage 4 turbo consists of "bigger replacement turbo", along with the ecu/pcm being re-programmed. The use of huge injectors and an intercooler. It varies from vehicle to vehicle depending on what other mods are necessary to support.

Maybe your confusing the build of a car to stages of turbos. I didnt know turbos came in stages. I thought they just got bigger. So would the stock turbo in my Talon be Stage 1??? Last time I think I bought a "Stage" turbo was like bzdart said, in a video game.

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Re: why do honda/import "tuner" people think their stuff is fast

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Maybe your confusing the build of a car to stages of turbos. I didnt know turbos came in stages. I thought they just got bigger. So would the stock turbo in my Talon be Stage 1??? Last time I think I bought a "Stage" turbo was like bzdart said, in a video game.

Once again you fail epically.
didn't know they had turbos in tony hawk games
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Re: why do honda/import "tuner" people think their stuff is fast

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didn't know they had turbos in tony hawk games
lol that was good
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lol that was good
well thank you, i hope that isn't sarcasm
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Re: why do honda/import "tuner" people think their stuff is fast

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HAHAHA, win!
Stages in turbo charging are referring to the different parts/power levels of a turbo car. Parts will vary between different types of vehicles and applications. Stage 4 is often when bigger turbo chargers are used, not just increased boost, all of the other supporting mods are done or upgraded as needed.
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didn't know they had turbos in tony hawk games
Hey shorty-skeeter. Your Mom's calling you again. "Boy get that damn skateboard out of my driveway!!" and no driving my Honda Civic for a week boy!" LMAO Whoooo!
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HAHAHA, win!
Ha,ha you lose Six shooter.
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Stages in turbo charging are referring to the different parts/power levels of a turbo car. Parts will vary between different types of vehicles and applications. Stage 4 is often when bigger turbo chargers are used, not just increased boost, all of the other supporting mods are done or upgraded as needed.
still sounding like a video game....................lol
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Stages in turbo charging are referring to the different parts/power levels of a turbo car. Parts will vary between different types of vehicles and applications. Stage 4 is often when bigger turbo chargers are used, not just increased boost, all of the other supporting mods are done or upgraded as needed.
Man, you just don't know when quit do you?

Now it seems more than ever, you're only playing video games and thinking it's real.

So again, I ask, if I go down to my local performance shop, and ask for a "stage 4 turbocharger," what are they going to hand me?
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still sounding like a video game....................lol
Yep.
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Re: why do honda/import "tuner" people think their stuff is fast

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Man, you just don't know when quit do you?

Now it seems more than ever, you're only playing video games and thinking it's real.

So again, I ask, if I go down to my local performance shop, and ask for a "stage 4 turbocharger," what are they going to hand me?
Who here mentioned a stage 4 turbocharger? It's called stage 4 turbo. Are you blind and dumb? I hope your not deaf too.
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Re: why do honda/import "tuner" people think their stuff is fast

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Who here mentioned a stage 4 turbocharger? It's called stage 4 turbo. Are you blind and dumb? I hope your not deaf too.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHhahahahahaha....*breath*PFFFFTTHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahhahahaha...

WTF do you think a "turbo" is?
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Stage 4 turbo is not an actual turbo charger itself. It is a level various supporting mods. Sure they sell big turbos, they are not called a stage 4 turbocharger.

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didn't know they had turbos in tony hawk games
I'll give you credit for that one
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Re: why do honda/import "tuner" people think their stuff is fast

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well thank you, i hope that isn't sarcasm
none at all i know people like this where i live i like to call them forza racers people that will never actually take there car to the track or even drive it how it was meant to be driven and what they call knowledge comes from fast and the furious movies,video games and wiki lol wenever i meet people like this i just cant help but laugh
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHhahahahahaha....*breath*PFFFFTTHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahhahahaha...

WTF do you think a "turbo" is?
You put one of those so called stage 4 turbos on your car, you better have suppoting mods for a stage 4 level. They are not really "stage 4" turbos. Get it? They are bigger turbos, so you better have supporting fuel mods and traction. It is a misconception among people to call an actual turbocharger a stage 4 turbocharger. Stage 4 refers to a whole being the sum of its parts. In other words, all of these parts are just ingredients of a whole. There is no stage4 turbo without supporting mods. You are not at "stage 4" at that point, you are just at the point where your engine is going to blow up from boost.

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Pfffffttt, sounds like what came out of your Mom last night before i left.
Awesome, at least someone has to talk her, I sure don't....

So answer my question...

What do you think a "turbo" is?
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Well now your Mom said i reminded her of a stage 4 turbo, she wanted even more of that boost. I told her i didn't want to blow her. She just wanted my wastegate.
Thats the worst joke i've ever heard.

Turbo's don't come in stages. Motors do. Turbo's dont. Can you comprehend that? Probably not.

Also, I never knew a turbocharger is different than a turbo. I hope none of this information sticks with me or I will become just as retarded as you are.
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none at all i know people like this where i live i like to call them forza racers people that will never actually take there car to the track or even drive it how it was meant to be driven and what they call knowledge comes from fast and the furious movies,video games and wiki lol wenever i meet people like this i just cant help but laugh
those are the people i came in this thread to bash and i'd take cars to the strip, if there was a strip within 50 miles of Bridgeport, sadly only a dirt track where a friend of mine died racing his late model R.I.P chris
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Thats the worst joke i've ever heard.

Turbo's don't come in stages. Motors do. Turbo's dont. Can you comprehend that? Probably not.

Also, I never knew a turbocharger is different than a turbo. I hope none of this information sticks with me or I will become just as retarded as you are.
the plans for your car are an ls1 t-56 and a moser 9 bolt how you gonna afford all that on mommy and daddys salaries? when they keep taking you to the hospital for hitting your head every time you try and skate
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Re: why do honda/import "tuner" people think their stuff is fast

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Plenty of cars with stage 4 turbo. Come on man, i was into turbocharging in 1996. How old were you then?
Jesus christ man, lol

Originally Posted by ninetyone
Stage 4 turbo consists of "bigger replacement turbo", along with the ecu/pcm being re-programmed. The use of huge injectors and an intercooler. It varies from vehicle to vehicle depending on what other mods are necessary to support.
project89 is correct...at least in the turbo Buick world, nobody refers to turbos or upgrades by "stages" or whatever you wanna call it. I know the Supra guys call it BPU, BPU++, etc. The Stage I and Stage II engines project89 was referring to are the Buick motorsports V6 blocks which were stronger with bigger displacement than a stock production 3.8.
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So technically speaking, if you see a company advertising a "stage 4 turbocharger" ,that is a misconception on your part. It is just easier for them to call it that so the average Joe can understand he is just buying a bigger turbo.
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Thats the worst joke i've ever heard.

Turbo's don't come in stages. Motors do. Turbo's dont. Can you comprehend that? Probably not.

Also, I never knew a turbocharger is different than a turbo. I hope none of this information sticks with me or I will become just as retarded as you are.
Skeeter, now isn't it past your bedtime? You may lose your privelage of driving your mom's vtec or playing tony hawk on your xbox.Don't wanna risk that yo
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the plans for your car are an ls1 t-56 and a moser 9 bolt how you gonna afford all that on mommy and daddys salaries? when they keep taking you to the hospital for hitting your head every time you try and skate
Sorry to burst your bubble but I live on my own salary which is more than you make in 3 years I gaurantee.
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Sorry to burst your bubble but I live on my own salary which is more than you make in 3 years I gaurantee.
so tell us all what exactly do you do, and how old are you anyway (probably a little old to be calling yourself shorty skater)
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I love how technology has made it possible for us to better our cars. Now we have all kinds of engines and parts to put in and go fast. Look at how long it took to go from the TPI to the LT1, then to the LSX, not very long! Same with the T5 to the T56, a short time to experiment (all during our generation, SOB's!) and the rest is history.
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Skeeter, now isn't it past your bedtime? You may lose your privelage of driving your mom's vtec or playing tony hawk on your xbox.Don't wanna risk that yo
Being I'm in Spain currently, days just starting but ok. And granted mom drives an Envoy thats not vtec and dad's truck puts out 800+ HP. And I perfer PS3 over xbox. Thanks though
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So technically speaking, if you see a company advertising a "stage 4 turbocharger" ,that is a misconception on your part. It is just easier for them to call it that so the average Joe can understand he is just buying a bigger turbo.
so from what i gather from the last couple pages of this thread is that you tried to tell everyone that a stage 4 turbo kit is a real thing and now ur saying that its just something thats made up to make the average not car educated person know there buying a bigger turbo?so does that make you the average none car educated person for using the term?lol if so that explains alot
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so tell us all what exactly do you do, and how old are you anyway (probably a little old to be calling yourself shorty skater)
Merchant Marine and I'm 23. Ive used that name from jr high just for being convient.
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so from what i gather from the last couple pages of this thread is that you tried to tell everyone that a stage 4 turbo kit is a real thing and now ur saying that its just something thats made up to make the average not car educated person know there buying a bigger turbo?so does that make you the average none car educated person for using the term?lol if so that explains alot
Haha. More win from this guy right here.
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so from what i gather from the last couple pages of this thread is that you tried to tell everyone that a stage 4 turbo kit is a real thing and now ur saying that its just something thats made up to make the average not car educated person know there buying a bigger turbo?so does that make you the average none car educated person for using the term?lol if so that explains alot
Nope, i said it more of an overall "level".
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Old Sep 26, 2011 | 11:32 PM
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Plenty of cars with stage 4 turbo. Come on man, i was into turbocharging in 1996. How old were you then?
in 1996 i was building 5,000 hp top fuel engines, and 3000 hp top alcohol engines, not to mention chassis building and doing street rods.

ive done repair work on john and ashley forces cars, not to mention other top names liek frank manzo, bozzeli brothers, mike kosky

so while u were playing with stage turbochargers i was playing with multi million dollar race cars
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Nope, i said it more of an overall "level".
Keep your facts straight and dont try and change what you've already said. You've done this so many times in this fail of a thread. Stop trying to make people think your so much smarter than you are.
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Merchant Marine and I'm 23. Ive used that name from jr high just for being convient.
interesting, what exactly does a merchant marine do?
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in 1996 i was building 5,000 hp top fuel engines, and 3000 hp top alcohol engines, not to mention chassis building and doing street rods.

ive done repair work on john and ashley forces cars, not to mention other top names liek frank manzo, bozzeli brothers, mike kosky

so while u were playing with stage turbochargers i was playing with multi million dollar race cars
**** i want your job haha
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Re: why do honda/import "tuner" people think their stuff is fast

Originally Posted by project89
in 1996 i was building 5,000 hp top fuel engines, and 3000 hp top alcohol engines, not to mention chassis building and doing street rods.

ive done repair work on john and ashley forces cars, not to mention other top names liek frank manzo, bozzeli brothers, mike kosky

so while u were playing with stage turbochargers i was playing with multi million dollar race cars
you worked on top alchohol cars and still have your eyebrows jk man, i dont think anyones calling your credibility into question here, your build threads speak volumes, and made me feel okay about having a 2.8 bird not long ago
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Old Sep 26, 2011 | 11:36 PM
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Re: why do honda/import "tuner" people think their stuff is fast

Originally Posted by shortyskater
Keep your facts straight and dont try and change what you've already said. You've done this so many times in this fail of a thread.Stop trying to make people think your so much smarter than you are.
I don't think there's any chance of that happening. lol
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Old Sep 26, 2011 | 11:38 PM
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Re: why do honda/import "tuner" people think their stuff is fast

Originally Posted by project89
in 1996 i was building 5,000 hp top fuel engines, and 3000 hp top alcohol engines, not to mention chassis building and doing street rods.

ive done repair work on john and ashley forces cars, not to mention other top names liek frank manzo, bozzeli brothers, mike kosky

so while u were playing with stage turbochargers i was playing with multi million dollar race cars
Wow, i'm impressed.
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Old Sep 26, 2011 | 11:41 PM
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Re: why do honda/import "tuner" people think their stuff is fast

Originally Posted by ninetyone
Wow, i'm impressed.
why because he actually knows what hes talking about?lol
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Old Sep 26, 2011 | 11:42 PM
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Re: why do honda/import "tuner" people think their stuff is fast

Originally Posted by kmcn47
interesting, what exactly does a merchant marine do?
Make sure ships get from point A to point B. Cruise ships, oil tankers, military ships, ect. Deal with 500-5000HP engines, gas turbine engines, ect. Keep machinary running, fix what breaks.
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Old Sep 26, 2011 | 11:43 PM
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Re: why do honda/import "tuner" people think their stuff is fast

Originally Posted by bzdart1974
why because he actually knows what hes talking about?lol
well no matter who says what in this thread we all "think" we know what were talking about, and i once saw something clever on this site "increasingly i find the difference between a fact and an opinion is the number of people who believe in it" wise words
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Old Sep 26, 2011 | 11:49 PM
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Re: why do honda/import "tuner" people think their stuff is fast

Originally Posted by shortyskater
Make sure ships get from point A to point B. Cruise ships, oil tankers, military ships, ect. Deal with 500-5000HP engines, gas turbine engines, ect. Keep machinary running, fix what breaks.
sounds like your working hard then, not at all the "skater punk i pictured" sorry for that but keep in mind this is the internet and noone knows who anyone is................ i work at a distribution center part time (30 hours) $11 an hour and when i'm not there i'm asleep at my gfs house or in school for broadcasting, or at the radio station doing intern work (which sux) haha but it'll all be worht it someday when i can redo and "modernize" my newly beloved 84 Z28 how i'll want it which is gonna be expensive but then again anything done the right way usually is
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Old Sep 26, 2011 | 11:57 PM
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Re: why do honda/import "tuner" people think their stuff is fast

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sounds like your working hard then, not at all the "skater punk i pictured" sorry for that but keep in mind this is the internet and noone knows who anyone is................ i work at a distribution center part time (30 hours) $11 an hour and when i'm not there i'm asleep at my gfs house or in school for broadcasting, or at the radio station doing intern work (which sux) haha but it'll all be worht it someday when i can redo and "modernize" my newly beloved 84 Z28 how i'll want it which is gonna be expensive but then again anything done the right way usually is
No worries. Yea I'm out at sea 3-4 months at a time then home for the same amount working 72 hour work weeks at $25/40 an hour being regular pay and overtime. Keep up the hard work though, it pays off. I've priced out my build and motor, trans, suspension and rear end are already over 10k alone being I buy the parts brand new or strictly off Hawks. But like you said, done the right way, it will be worth it.
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Re: why do honda/import "tuner" people think their stuff is fast

Originally Posted by shortyskater
No worries. Yea I'm out at sea 3-4 months at a time then home for the same amount working 72 hour work weeks at $25/40 an hour being regular pay and overtime. Keep up the hard work though, it pays off. I've priced out my build and motor, trans, suspension and rear end are already over 10k alone being I buy the parts brand new or strictly off Hawks. But like you said, done the right way, it will be worth it.
i found hawks parts to be pretty cheap and well worth the money, atleast some little stuff i bought from them when i still had the firebird, headlight rebuild kits, centercaps, trunk pull down motor, that was a quick little car i had i regret getting rid of it, it was a ws6 car 4 wheel disc and all there wasn;t a corner i was scared to attack in it, anyways yeah i'd just like to update alot of the outdated things, ie: weatherstripping, headlights, engine, i would say tranny but its got a brand new 4l60 in it from jasper, door handles stereo, do full L.E.D.s for all the lights, have a nice daily driver thats a somewhat sleeper
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Re: why do honda/import "tuner" people think their stuff is fast

I am gonna go to my local Vatozone and ask for a stage 4 kit for my 95 Blazer.
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Re: why do honda/import "tuner" people think their stuff is fast

Originally Posted by kmcn47
exhaust $300 you got ripped bud
Really? You think $300 for an exhaust is too much? I know guys that spend $1300 for titanium exhausts on vettes. This is precisely why we as 3rd gen owners have absoluty crap for aftermarket parts. Because the majority of you are cheap as hell!

Originally Posted by ninetyone
Last i checked a turbo kit made for an Iroc was right around the same price as one for a Honda. Who do you think would make more power now? Still thinking about weight being an issue now? that's what i thought.
Uhhhhhh....not even close. I have seen COMPLETE turbo kits for hondas starting at around $900. Granted they aren't going to be the best quality, but you buy one of those, then change out just the turbo for a nice quality unit, and you have yourself a complete turbo kit for a honda for around $1700. That is cheap as hell for a turbo kit.

Originally Posted by bzdart1974
are you on your xbox playing forza right now?lol i dunno much about turbo setups but i know a stage 4 turbo kit sounds like something out of a video game. turbos and intercoolers have sizes not stages
Hahaha. Took the words out of my mouth. How bout using real turbo lingo like millimeter, PSI, A/R, etc. You don't build a turbo car in stages unless you own an STI.
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Re: why do honda/import "tuner" people think their stuff is fast

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Really? You think $300 for an exhaust is too much? I know guys that spend $1300 for titanium exhausts on vettes. This is precisely why we as 3rd gen owners have absoluty crap for aftermarket parts. Because the majority of you are cheap as hell!



Uhhhhhh....not even close. I have seen COMPLETE turbo kits for hondas starting at around $900. Granted they aren't going to be the best quality, but you buy one of those, then change out just the turbo for a nice quality unit, and you have yourself a complete turbo kit for a honda for around $1700. That is cheap as hell for a turbo kit.



Hahaha. Took the words out of my mouth. How bout using real turbo lingo like millimeter, PSI, A/R, etc. You don't build a turbo car in stages unless you own an STI.
whats wrong with being "cheap" (frugal) haha
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Re: why do honda/import "tuner" people think their stuff is fast

Originally Posted by shortyskater
Being I'm in Spain currently, days just starting but ok. And granted mom drives an Envoy thats not vtec and dad's truck puts out 800+ HP. And I perfer PS3 over xbox. Thanks though
PS3 for life! Free online baby, that was my selling feature!

Originally Posted by kmcn47
whats wrong with being "cheap" (frugal) haha
I'm the cheapest SOB you'd ever meet, but I spare no expense on my car. You don't know how much custom work I've had to do getting my car to where it is whereas the foxbody mustang guys have it all premade for them. You could build one of those things from the ground up with aftermarket parts. Just find it online and click to buy. Sucks owning a 3rd gen when you have nothing for aftermarket support.
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Originally Posted by whitedevilTA
PS3 for life! Free online baby, that was my selling feature!



I'm the cheapest SOB you'd ever meet, but I spare no expense on my car. You don't know how much custom work I've had to do getting my car to where it is whereas the foxbody mustang guys have it all premade for them. You could build one of those things from the ground up with aftermarket parts. Just find it online and click to buy. Sucks owning a 3rd gen when you have nothing for aftermarket support.
yes lack of an aftermarket sucks, it sucks more when you have one of the 2,8l 3,1l cars, there are almost no parts for them at all, aside form one set oh headers i found on hawks, and atleast we can find replacement parts cheap and plentifully

and yes ps3 for life!!!! come on gt get some thirdgens!

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