So sexay.

 

B.I.N.G.O

 

Very nice.

 

Thanks, love the job you've done on your camaro as well, I've been doing textile airbrush for 10 years now and even though I don't do much automotive work aside from motorcycle helmets, I know excellent airbrush work when I see it, great job!!

 

Thanks. This wasn't done by me though. I mostly do designs using Forza Motersport. Check out the Forza 4 pic thread for some of my work, or look at my FM3 album. I actually re-did my car on the game (the flaming vapire skull took forever), but then my profile got corrupted. I have to fix it somehow now.

 

most cars that I have driven have been in the sub 3000 lb range. With that 3300 lbs is heavy. the lightest car I have owned was just a touch over 2000 lbs though honestly I wouldn't be shocked if it was less. funny thing about that was was one time my friend played a dirty trick on me. he was able to pickup the back end of that car and get it wedge between my house and the fence to the neighbor. there was no way I was going to be able to get it out of there by driving.
sadly that bit him in the *** though as he was the one who had to pick up the rear of the car and move it back.

as far as the integra reading I did explain that one already


I don't believe the camaro's of that era are quite that fast and second not all camaros from that time period are even z28's for that matter most of them where not. how would the datsun fair against the std 307, or maybe even the l65, l48. I know sure s hell the 71 camaro I owned back in it's original state wasn't that fast :-)

hey now bondo is lighter then steel and can still look good if done right :-)

yeah same attitude you get from domestics also... mmm makes me wonder is it really the car or the person.
so far from what I have seen around the real world and on the internet I think it's the person. the car is just the excuse.

please do your research.
first there is the RDX (sold under the acura badge but it is a honda product), then you have the honda city turbo(which is easy enough to know if you play gran torismo), and the honda legend.
I know I know you are now going to come back and say well they still arn't fast, they aren't made in the US, or the one just isn't labled a honda product. in the end though none of that matters as they are all still honda products, it doesn't matter where they where made at, and it also doesn't matter how fast they are. all that matters really is you said no honda came stock with a turbo and yet... they have :-)

you know what this sounds like to me?
sounds like the import owners this place bashes for saying the same thing. you know the well if I upped my boost to 18psi rather then 10, or if I had my NAWS on there, or the whole my flux capacitor wasn't functioning properly which didn't allow me to get up to 88mph where the third turbo would of kicked in.
it's really just an excuse and doesn't really matter how the cars compare mod for mod, or who would be better in a what if situation. if you pull up in a mild modded 350 transam and I pull up in a highly modded 1976 honda accord with a b18 turbo swap and win then it doesn't matter what your car would of done if you had an engine swap and boost.
do you know why?


easy. it's because cause you didn't have an engine swap and boost you are running a mild modded 350.
who gives a rats bum what could of been, the only thing that matters is what is. is your car faster means more then your car could but yet isn't faster.

I would really think about that one.
remember most thirdgens are not z28's or a transam. most thirdgens are v6 cars. and most v6 cars aren't a whole lot faster then most honda's even more so if you start to consider more modern honda's out there.


this isn't quite 7's but I believe these are the same car.
here is his pass down' the 1/4 mile
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5299...eature=related

and here what I believe is the same car goind down to get a slurpee at 7-11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wPdekDlsyI

let me guess though that's really a thirdgen running a big block in disguise though right?

 

wow this threads still goin? really

 

care to elaborate on the obama motors thing?

 

i raged about that lol

 

Well, ever since GM got thier butts bailed out by the government, he now owns some rediculous percentage of GM...I think it's around 25% or so. And owning a 1/4 of a company means that he has a say in what goes down over thier. Look at on-star. Biggest joke ever, and I would never buy a new GM with on-star. It can shut the vehicle off if you so much as try to speed and theres a cop around that calls you in.....it can track where you are at ANY given time. There are other decisions that obama has been included in with GM that I really don't care for either, which is why I really don't care for GM anymore these days.

 

Dang. I forgot about on-star. I'm not paranoid or anything, but is this not concerning? It's like having the Sith lord himself in your back seat.

I'm not against the government, but I am against the government tracking me, spying on me, CONTROLING ME. Thats no joke, thats scary.

 

Don't break the law...

The purpose of the remote shut down was more for theft reasons.

Also, unless they've changed it, it won't shut the vehicle off while it is moving, only once stopped or won't allow a restart.

 

Dont break the law...

Well yah. Was that response directed at what anyone here said?

 

I try not to break the law on a regular basis, trust me...but if I bought a new camaro or vette you better believe it would see full throttle from time to time. And personally I don't want to feel like I'm being watched or recorded while I'm driving my car. Just seems ridiculous to me the control that they can have these days on someones car. I understand that it is more for theft, but the option is still there to turn your "safety system" back around on the owner if they felt the need to.

 

you know what this sounds like to me?
sounds like the import owners this place bashes for saying the same thing. you know the well if I upped my boost to 18psi rather then 10, or if I had my NAWS on there, or the whole my flux capacitor wasn't functioning properly which didn't allow me to get up to 88mph where the third turbo would of kicked in.
it's really just an excuse and doesn't really matter how the cars compare mod for mod, or who would be better in a what if situation. if you pull up in a mild modded 350 transam and I pull up in a highly modded 1976 honda accord with a b18 turbo swap and win then it doesn't matter what your car would of done if you had an engine swap and boost.
do you know why?


easy. it's because cause you didn't have an engine swap and boost you are running a mild modded 350.
who gives a rats bum what could of been, the only thing that matters is what is. is your car faster means more then your car could but yet isn't faster.

and I could spend the money to get the GNX engine to make a duplicate TTA. The only factor here is money. People have varying amounts of money which is why it isn't fair to compare cars as a whole ( Muscle, Import, Exotic, etc ) unless they are stock because after that point, any changes made is entirely dependent on how much the owner spends under the hood.

Of course a 5.7L V8 is going to be faster than a 2.2Vtec 4cyl.

In the end it all comes down to price. You throw 10k at an engine, the odds are that the bigger one is going to be faster. ( equivalent years of course. Advances in technology wouldn't be fair to the older car )

Thirdgens are faster than Hondas because they cost around 2x as much. ( a 88 GTA by todays standards would be over $35,000 )

A almost perfect modern example would be a 2010 Civic Si vs a 2010 Camaro SS. The faster car is almost always the more expensive one. ( in fact, the only example I can think of where that doesn't hold true is the hyper cars like Pagani, Bugatti, Ferrari, etc. The SSC Ultimate Aero stomps every single car around and it costs just under 800k as opposed to the millions for other cars )

 

is it obama, or the government in general? not saying that I'm an obama fan but it seems to be that obama is turning into nothing more then a scapegoat for the countries problems.
it's also not like other companies though don't offer the same services as well.



what you could do and what you did do though are two seperate things. when it comes down to the race itself what you could do has no bearing on what you did do.

if you and I raced and I was in my honda accord complaining about how you have a larger engine then I do and so if I would of added a turbo charger to make up for that lost displacement you would call me out and say I'm a ***** making excuses. if you do it as a domestic owner though it's fine.
see the double standard here?

what makes it even more interesting though is now you are also bringing technology into the problem as well. to that I honestly say same thing it doesn't matter who has the best tech, or the most money spent on their motor, who would of been faster if they did this mod or that or mod, or being fair cause one car has more boost then the other one. doesn't matter stock, modified or what mods have been done. the only thing that matters is how fast you can make it with the money you have.
who cares what a car runs stock if you don't plan on keeping it stock. or who cares how fast you could make the car if you don't have the money to get it there. either way none of that matters anyway all that matters is who ran what and who won.

if you claim something else then you are doing nothing more then making excuses. how many more excuses do you really need to make as to why you drive a thirdgen over a honda civic?

 

what honda civic fwd car has gone low 7's? QUickest I seen a few years ago was 8.0's....But who cares...there are other FWD cars in the high 6's now.

 

i am new to the site and have a problem with a car i am putting a moter in. the car is a 91 rs with a 305 tpi. it is stick. i replaced it with a 89 formula moter tpi 305. i replaced all the wiring computer and i am missing a mas air sensor. will that make the care not start? i have fule to the rail (not sure how much). it cranks over and will fire on either. will not stay runing. i do not know if the injectors are pulsing or not. i do have spark to the plugs. the plugs are dry. i replaced the fule fillter. sory if this mes up your post like i said new to the site.

 

Heres an article from an import mag on a local freind of mine. I've known Ryan for a long time now and worked with him for 2 years....but he built one of the most impressive hondas I've ever seen. The work into this car is amazing if you see it in person, and for those that say FWD doesn't hook, he says otherwise. Him and his father were a two man team and not long ago they took home 1st place in an NHRA class against GM sponsored factory cars!!! Tell me thats not impressive for a little honda. If you read the article, you can see that with the stock engine with a turbo kit, he made 260 WHP and ran 11.9's in the 1/4 on the old setup. Like I keep saying, it doesn't take much when weights on your side, and you know what your doing. All you guys saying a turbo honda would have a hard time beating a mildly modded L98....keep dreaming. This is what "correctly done" means.

http://www.turbomagazine.com/feature...tch/index.html

 

Really??

This:




or this?:



I read the entire article, but no matter what I can't get past the silly/ugly look of the Honda (and the sound of it is even worse). I m not saying the Honda isn't fast, but with the same mods and proportionate weight reduction the Camaro is just as fast (if not faster), looks better, rides better, is safer, and sounds better. Both cars can be taken down into the 10's, 9's, 8's and less etc.... but it just comes down to whether or not you'd prefer to drive an American V8 muscle car or an ugly, foreign, 4 cylinder, front wheel drive tin can. The good ole USA does it better than anybody when it comes to cars in my opinion.
White Devil: You seem to really like the foreign cars; but I gotta tell you..... your 3rd gen blows them all away in my opinion. I'd much rather have your car than that ugly yellow Honda (even if the Honda is faster!)............nice job!

 

Honestly, I appreciate and like all cars. I am not biased toward anything in particular, I just happen to own a 3rd gen. I give respect where it is due, and my freind that built that honda gets all the respect in the world from me. To get the same power from 1.6 liters that I am shooting for out of my 5.3 liters with a turbo, that is impressive. Some people really like the sound of 4 bangers...me personally, I'll take the sound of a V8, but I do appreciate the sound of a well tuned 4 cylinder car as well. But anyways, thanks for the compliments on my build! I do like american iron more, trust me...I'm just not a die hard like others.

 

Frankly I agree with everything you just said.

btw....even though you are shooting for the same power he has... your engine is a whole lot closer to stock than his.

 

I'm curious to know how you heard the Honda while reading the article.

There are a lot of assumtions in your post.

Let me ask you this which weighs more a Ton of feathers or a Ton of lead?

 

A ton of bullsh!t

 

That parts true...while his engine was completely forged and sleeved...mine is a stock bottom end. But like they say, theres no replacement for displacement, and that holds true in this case. Impressive none the less!

I will say though that he was in the process of building a new engine for his honda that would have been a record breaker. He decided to get out of the drag racing scene and settle down with his GF instead. The motor he had gone 9's in (and broke the single cam record) was only a single overhead cam VTEC (1.6L). He had a tube chassis drag civic built up with a DOHC turbocharged honda engine in it that dyno'd over 1000 WHP (still a 1.6L, just DOHC). Him and his father were going for the DOHC drag record, and I have no doubt they probably would have taken it had he stayed in it. I guess some people just lose the fire at some point. He ended up parting out the whole drag car, but I saw tons of the build pics and holy crap that thing was a work of art.

 

LMFAO !

 

true, however there is a world of difference in how much power each engine can make on pump gas, and on the street that matters. when it comes to 4 cylinders they become limited quickly.

 

I don't know how much of an issue it really is. Most of the import guys I meet at local shows are putting down over 300whp in conservative boost. That and a 2600lb curb weight can make a quick car.


Personally I like all performance from singles to 16s mod what you like. I have had some fun I4 some fun V4s and V6s and some great V8s they are all different and fun in their own way.

 

Yea, thats def true to an extent, but these days, meth injection has done wonders on pump gas 4 cylinder turbo cars. My brothers old lancer evo was running 26 PSI on pump gas with the use of meth injection and it made 340 AWHP on a mustang dyno! That thing was a screamer.

 

Even then with a K-series swap everything goes out the window... 300WHP NA is not unherd of, couple that to a 2300 lb car and you have an excellent saturday night special.

 

You keep going on and on and on about how nothing matters besides how fast a cars is yadda yadda. The only thing that matters is price, and if you like the car.

You can keep trying to convince me of whatever you're trying to but in the end, the bigger, more expensive engine is faster. Speed is what you get for the extra cost.

And its ok to Turbo/Supercharge a domestic because the odds are is that its already going to have a V8 in it to begin with. Making a fast car, even faster. I would even go as far as to say V6s are perfectly fine as well. Plenty of very nice cars have them. ( Mainly import cars ) since performance models in America usually come with V8s. ( Charger, Challenger, Grand Prix, G8, Camaro, Firebird, Mustang )

Put it this way. Having a fast Honda is like coming out of the closet. You might surprise everyone, but in the end you're still gay.

Any respect deserving individual isn't into the fart can muffler cars.

@91 zee, I really wouldn't go as far as to say the US has the best cars. I prefer US cars over most anything else, but I'm pretty sure Italy has us beat horribly. Ferrari single handedly pretty much rips anything we can throw at them with Lamborghini bringing up the slack. Maybe Germany too. Anywhere else though? Not a chance. Our ace in the hole being the SSC Ultimate Aero and the Hennessy Venom GT. Preeeeeety sure those two cars are the fastest in the world. And if you want to include media, I guess we could throw both KITTs in there as well.

 

I think what you meant to say is oh crap I lost to a car I though was slower than me I better insult them quick so my friends think I am cool.

 

I think it's more like loosing a fight when accidently walking into a gay gym. Insult to injury. But it is true. When have you ever seen the bada$$ drive the tuner? Even on fast and the furious the bada$$ is usually driving American MUSCLE, usually mopar. Plus most guys who drive muscle cars listen to Metal. Which is 10X more threatening then rap. Even if rap is talking about killing people. Anyone here watch Workaholichs?

 

Still an issue. Quick cars yes, but if you want to go fast, you have to go with race gas or E85 to some extent if running a 4 cyl. Pump gas to Pump gas, you can not beat cubic inches. I trap 140+ at 3500+ lbs on straight 93. Very mild 400" motor. No import in my area is doing that on pump gas. They all run race gas to hit near 140's and we have a few that run well into the 140's. Several 9 second DSM's. Another guy with a 3300lb fox body has a 509" big block ford...he can trap mid 150's on pump gas so far and on race gas to keep it safe, 15psi boost he's gone 169 He doesnt need race gas for that setup but he keeps it safe. On pump and better tuning I bet it still can go 160's mph.

You want a fast street car on pump gas only, you have to build it big. Thats the advantage to V8 and larger motors. Viper V10's etc...same thing

 

True bigger engines can put out more power but your car is not typical of the third gen. The sad fact is in stock form these cars are heavy dogs. I love my TA but it really needed a 350 swap to have any get up and go. I also love my hondas. I enjoy having a 1.2L that puts more whp down than a v6 third gen does at the crank. I also enjoy driving my toyota when I am not in my 3rdgen it may just be a winter car but it is ultra reliable and fairly quick for only 250hp. Maybe I just love all motors not just American, I don't hate Harley because they are underpowered I just don't ride them, it has nothing to do with their country I just don't enjoy the way they ride.

But you are right larger engines are much better for all out ***** to the wall fast, that is probably why I am seeing more LS2000s at car shows and the track than ever before. On the other hand if you just want a street machine that can stomp on most guys around a slightly modded honda is not a bad idea, then again neither is a carbed 350 3rd gen. I have had both and they are both an interesting ride.

 

Yeah a mild turbo to stock motor import making 250-300whp would still be a quick ride.... for about the same cost, you likely could heads/cam intake your L98 and get a 11 second ride out of it... Maybe just as fast as the honda now. Heck, you may beable to do a single turbo to the L98 and make 350-400whp and run 11's still for same cost. Hard to say.

All depends on the parts you get. You can do budget turbo setups using Ebay turbos and stuff and make a fast car that lasts a short time...maybe cheaper than heads/cam L98, either way both can be quick. I just know I'd rather be in a car designed to be a sports car. Civic hatches are daily driver economy cars, not race cars. The true import sports cars tend to be out of my price ranges...rx7/supra/etc. I do like S13-S15 nissans. Would love to turbo lsx one of those. I really want my motor in a FD Rx7 tho, but its too heavy. Need aluminum LSx to make it worthwhile.

 

Oh yea those LSx RX7s are so awesome I am a big fan

 

Depends on racing distance. In the 1/4 mile bigger isn't always necessarily better, and it only takes x amount of horsepower and weight to run a particular ET...

Cubic inches is irrelevant if you don't have enough valve diameter to feed it, so yes cubic inches will offer more horsepower potential, but again it only takes x amount of horsepower and weight to run a particular ET...

Would ya...?

Here's a 22 year old perfectly fine Domestic w/V6 running only 20-psi...



... lol (I'm not laughing at you, but at Ferrari). American car companies, for quite sometime, have not targeted that market, they relied on the aftermarket to accomplish that for them. However, with the introduction of the new ZR1, and a few others, the Domestics have been showing what they can do from the factory. Normally folks like Callaway, Hennessy, etc, would get involved when it came to competing with Ferrari, but it wasn't cost efficient for any of them because how many models actually sold to the public? Not as many as they hoped for, believe me.

 

Mazda RX7s were N/A weren't they? Also why ruin a rare RX7 with a different engine? It would be cool yah but those cars weren't exactly mass produced. I'm talking about the 90s ones though. Not the earlier ones. THOSE needed LSx

 

Later ones were turbocharged rotary wankels...not bad but those engines are hard to work on and keep reliable from what i've seen. So much easier to swap in an easy motor like LS1.

its a car, not a collectors item. Who cares what motor is in it. They were ment to be driven.

My IROC is/was somewhat rare, it was mint stock when i got it...maybe worth something someday but thats not what its about.

 

RX7s were NA and turbo depending on the model.

 

Speaking of tuners (have we ever stopped speaking of them?), a company in Washington State (near Seattle I believe) is making ZR1 horsepower figures out of N/A LS7 ZO6 Corvettes. 638hp and 570 somthin lbs tq. No supercharger or supporting mods make it lighter than the ZR1, and it has better weight distibution.

 

Im generalizing when I say a bigger engine is faster. Compare the 02 T/A or maro SS to a 02 Mustang, the stang gets eaten badly. Or compare one of our cars to a equivalent year import. ( both parties stock of course )

As far as the racing distance, I'm still generalizing for the most part. Imports tend to be a hell of a lot better once some curves are involved. But it still stands that a FWD 4 Cyl is a economy car at the end of the day regardless of how many Turbos it has. Thats fine and dandy and Im not bagging on anything that likes them. Just remember that theres a reason that they aren't RWD with powerful engines.

The Turbo Trans Am...how I wish I had one. Personally I'll take a V8 over anything all day, but credit where credits due. That thing is a monster.

And yea, recently America has begun to pull its head out of its *** and start making fast cars again. You do have a point with the targeted market. America has shown that it knows how to make a fast car go around a corner ( The Ford GT is faster than its Ferrari counterpart ) and the SSC UA pulls off the Salom faster than the Enzo can and the SSC can do 250 + while costing a good chunk less than the Enzo.

I guess I'll have to withdraw the Italian argument. Because, like I posted earlier. The more expensive car is USUALLY faster. When the price tag on most Ferraris is almost 2x as much as something like a Corvette ZR-1, its to be expected.

 

The Corvette ZR1 went around the American Top Gear test rack 2 seconds faster than the Ferarri 458 Italia. The Corvette, around $100k (95-105k), The Ferrari, around $300k. The Ferarri is 3X the price of the Corvette and the Corvette KILLED it! Now the Ferrari is a better quality car (except the 15 or so that exploded into flames during the first year of production), but you will never be able to experiance that quality because it will be locked in your garage until the battery dies. The Corvette is faster and you'll take it out on the road as often as you can. Plus its just more fun.

 

^^ This. Again, USUALLY the more expensive car is faster. GM decided to take a dump on everyone with the ZR1.

 

You pay for quality on the ferrari. Go compare interiors...you will see what i mean...not taking anything away from the zr1, i'd like to have one but ferrari's styling and quality is generally unmatched by america manufacturers.

 

Build materials yes....drivetrain reliability...ehhhh. That ones on the fence. I have no doubt that even a ZR1 would go 150K+ miles with general maintenece.

 

I dont know much about ferrari's drivetrain quality but they make decent hp per cube. I would think being more "race" oriented they will require more maintenance. A big inch blown lsx motor is much softer on parts and should exibit higher reliability.

 

Like I said.

 

guys have been shying away from meth as of late. big boost plus a hiccup in your meth system = boom!

people seem to be go more to E85. it has big boost potential.