Yea thats what I've heard. It was a great concept, but it's inconsistency kills it on a very precise tune thats setup for meth. Thats why I built my motor around getting the most potential WITHOUT meth. Just didn't want to deal with it.

 

2 METH systems = [WIN]

 

agreed the governments only job is to maintain the military and the post office, and they can barely do that

 

absolutely.. and really, for how much hp you can make now-a-days with a boosted Lsx on pump fuel, you don't need it.

 

what else is a president for? they've become like the queen in england, no real power all smoke and mirrors and sht like that, when was the last time a president did anything ( iknow i know healthcare but he needed representatives for that too)

 

hey give them a break, who new the adhesive used to bond the body panels so close to the exhaust manifolds would get hot and catch on fire?..................................possibly an engineer working for Ferrari but whats done is done, ashes to ashes and rust to rust

 

honestly chances are you aren't going to get a v8 if you buy a domestic. the V6 was the staple of the firebird, mustagng, camaro for many years, and for that matter even if you do buy one with a v8 that doesnt' mean fast. LG4's are a prime example of that.

larger/more expensive doesn't always mean faster. it just means higher priced and larger. it could mean faster sure but it is no promise on being faster.

now as far as turbo/supercharge a domestic lets talk about that. best selling domestic car right now is a ford fusion. Are you sure by saying that chances are if you buy a domestic it's going to have a v8 anymore?
remember V8's are an option, not a standard product. just being that you own a V8 car doesn't mean that is the standard thing a new car buyer is going to go for. a V6 or a I4 is more common then a v8.


and fine it's not who is faster that's more important your right. cause if I would of had a turbo b18c swap into my honda CRX with a 100 shot of NAWS and slicks I would of won all those races. knowing that I can now sleep at night knowing my car is better now cause of what I could of done
yeah I admit that last one I'm just causing problems but hey just take it with a little humor and hopefully see the point I'm trying to make though with the run what you brung attitude I'm talking about.


Orr glad to see you still around :-)
regarding the Fd rx7's they are kinda rare and turning into a little bit of a collectors item anymore. through the years of 93-95 only about 13k of them ever made it to the US to be sold total for all models. since then failures, junkyards, accidents, and such I'm sure there are quite a few less then that sticking around anymore sadly :-(

skelitor the 93+ models are twin turbo. all of them. the earlier for the second gen from 92 and before it could come either way turbo or NA.

 

No, I didn't read the whole thread. But my DSM was WAY faster than any of the Camaro's I have had. I used to run a z06 at my drag strip and whoever was quicker off the line won the race.

4-bangers can be nasty fast for not alot of money. I was running 24psi on mine and I could smoke all 4 tires through 2nd gear. Ran 8.8's in the 1/8th and it was a fairly mild build. Engine internals, head and cams were all stock. It was a spendy car to maintain. But was insanely fun.

I just love F-body cars all around, fun to drive, look awesome and gotta love the v8.

 

Wow nobody cares anymore guys, Ricers have their own opinion and there own style even though they are mostly cocky *********, and us muscle maniacs have our opinion we know our **** is fast, heavy and look beastly...

 

Hey, like i said. I didn't read 22 pages of this thread, haha.

Really, I like all cars. I have had a sample of just about anything 4, 6, 8 cylinder. 1, 2 and 4 cylinder motorcycles also.

I think every car is pretty cool in it's own way. Every car I have owned has had a different personality and acts different.

 

I like almost all types of cars, every car can be made fast all depends who owns it... what i dont like about rices like i stated above is their attitude...

 

That is a pretty bold statement to make. I guess it might be different around where you live. but around here we all pretty much hang out together. We get douchebags that drive honda's, mustangs, and even camaro's.

 

I have a few friends that drive muscle cars.... most drive hondas, i seen a ***** camaro the other day he totaled it trying to race me in my car i was fooling around all i did was rev the motor he dropped the clutch launched lost control hit a pole and that was the end of his fourth gen...

 

Ok,
Let's look at the issue from different angle.


Physics

• Displacement (vector), the difference between the path of the initial and final position covered by a moving object
  Engineering
• Engine displacement, the total volume of air/fuel mixture an engine can draw in during one complete engine cycle

Average "classic" v8 redline = < 5000 RPM
Average Japanese I4 redline => 8000 RPM

Anybody starting to get a raging clue why output numbers are getting closer when average Jap engine goes above average v8 rev? Right, displacement debate argument begins to dissapear as we draw more mixture per unit of time...And that's also why those little screemers have no torque below 6000 RPM. But in exchange they heat up more and die an untimely death if kept at WOT for extendet time. So for traffic light warrior big ole V8 is undesputedly better choice.
Put SBC in datsun rigit body and watch it twist like a snake
Any high RPM jap engine in NASCAR belly will melt in turn 3 1/4 LOL (IHMO)

 

I just couln't give it a rest... sorry.
Here's an excerpt from an article from hotrod magazie ( And I am sure it's the same one that's linked from LS1 swap sticky):



That's about iron block from truck LSx engine I might use....

 

the ls9 is good for over 1000hp in stock form

 

Not all of us are bad.... I am a "*****" by your definitions...... but I'm not...... I don't have the attitude or the cockyness.... I like my honda when I had it and I still have one but I drive a toyota...... My one honda (for sale) is pure definition of rice (I did not build this my ex did) and my truck is my baby...... but by definition its rice......

So just remember when you group people together it doesn't mean we are all bad

PS my trans am is total flip....but I like it

 

That yellow honda can serve as perfect examle of rice as opposed to "tuner". But that red Toyota logo on your blue X-Runner is a total rice LOOOL
I am sooo painting my firebird flat balck.....

PS. I love my 4Runner too.... and many of my friends considered it rise because I live in a city and it's lifted with AT tires. They did that and loughed at me untill all of them got barried under two feet of snow last winter... Then it was my turn to lough. So sometimes it depends...

 

hehehehe its Pink... and yea that honda is pure rice but I dont drive like those dicks on the road

 

You can make anything fast just depends on how much money you have. But most import people think there stuff is fast because of all the fast and furious movies.

 

say what?
I've owned a few different imports that reved and reved just fine with no issues of overheating when reved up. I've owned domestics that rev higher then the imports, and I've owned imports that have a torque curve that is more in line with a domestic with it being down low rather then up high (though admittedly far lower numbers).

 

I guess you haven't seen the multitude of SBC swapped Datsuns, that don't twist. There was even a company back in the '70s and '80s that would sell a complete 240Z with SBC swap. Search "Scarab."

It's too bad that people did that instead of realizing the potential of the stock L-series engine.

Any mechanical device used beyond their intended specification of use will fail. That being said I see more blown up SBCs than I do "screaming" 4 cyl import engines.

 

An all motor stroked out L28 sounds like pure sex IMO! If I had an old datsun, I'd probably stick with a good old built L series motor just for that vintage "race" feel to the car. Those motors can be built pretty healthy too, even N/A. Nothing like an 8K rpm capable straight 6!

 

Ahh **** it!!! I give up. This thread should've been named "why we hate on SBC and luuuve lime Datsuns" LOOOOL

 

I remember a neighbor of ours had a datsun with like a 500hp (or something like that) 350sbc in it. You could litteraly feel it coming down the street. If you have ever been next to a REALLY powerfull radical V8 car then you know what I mean.

 

just because he post something that says datsuns aren't total crap doesn't mean we hate SBC and that we all love datsuns.

you can enjoy both you know.

 

Actually, I've yet to hear anybody said that Datsun is crap or rice. Nissans are known to make pretty good power. But it also hard to enjoy something that keeps blowing up (and that's SBC/LS1 according to soembody...)

 

Point is, 4 banger needs Boost to be fast . I think most of us on here like the sound of a thirdgen better though.

 

Not necisarely. Tell me, which is faster, the Turbo 4clyinder doing a 11.9 @ 125mph, or the N/A V8 doing a 11.9 @ 125mph?

 

Tell me, what do you think that turbo 4 banger would do without the turbo? How many Hondas or other 4 banger cars actually came from the factory with a turbo? Not very many. Eclipse turbo, rx7 turbo, etc. Not many ,and even those cars would lose to any stock Ws6 Trans am/Firebird/Camaro. Now put a turbo on a N/A 4 banger and you gain more than the same 4 cylinder car that may have come with turbo,but even still you would need to add a good amount of boost to it to make it beat a Ws6 car.

 

The deal is: Turbo blows. It is easy to blow up your engine or blow your turbo. N/A is much more reliable. Most of the 4 bangers with an added "turbo" don't last very long. The internals of the engines are not made for it. Especially revving an engine to 8k rpm!

 

I'm sure there are a LOT of guys that will tell you otherwise. Turbos do not blow, they are an excellent way of adding power. Saying that they'll blow up an engine or that they won't last long is just showing that you have little to no experience with them. The new ball bearing design turbos will last as long as you give them oil. An engine will last as long as you want it to, granted your not trying to run an ungodly amount of boost, and your tune is spot on. I'm sure most guys buy cheapy ebay turbos and thats why you hear of so many blowing up. You get what you pay for.

 

my experience comes from dealing with one of the most finicky boost driven cars.
the RX7.
the apex seals are notorious for busting out if something goes wrong under boost. even they can last for some time though as long as you have things tuned right though. Now think about it the rx7 being able to last for a while under boost is a good sign that a piston based car can do it also.

nintyone honesty it sounds as though you are trying to justify to yourself and others why you have a thirdgen and a v8 rather then going with a turbo or a 4 cylinder. you =don't need to do that. you should just be happy with what you have. if you really want to justify to the world why you bought a v8 you might as well just buy a turbo 4 cylinder.

 

You realize , I was referring to 4 cyl engines, right? Turbocharging is very expensive. Yes, you are correct about having to have a good tune and enough fuel.

 

I mean honestly, when i had my Nissan ZX Turbo, a dang fuel computer alone was like $600! Then the ecu had to be reprogrammed. That was another $600 back then. Of course first you need to choose your boost controller. Manual one is like $70, the nice digital one is $300! THen new pop off valve, downpipe, exhaust, an intercooler can run upwards of $1000. There is nothing cheap about raising a car's boost pressure of adding a turbo.The list goes on. Back then there was a very limited amount of companies producing parts for these cars. I remember Jim Wolf racing and Nissan Motorsports had the best stuff. I guess that is fine if you can afford to do that.

 

Well with flash tuning now, a good tune is only about 500$ or so. You don't need a boost controller if you regulate boost with the wastgate spring like I am doing. I don't plan on changing my boost level. My BOV was $215, wastegate was $360, intercooler was $140. I made all my piping myself with a welder so that was relatively cheap. Only other cost in there was the turbo itself which I paid $800 for. I'll add in another $450 or so for added flanges, clamps, couplers, and piping, even though it may not even be that high, and I have a complete turbo kit for under $2K. Not bad considering the extra 300 or so HP it will add to my 5.3!

But then some cars are more expensive than others, and I'm a DIY person so I make whatever I possibly can to save money.

 

That I did not know! Figured it was way more than 13K because I tend to see these cars more often than what I'd expect if only 13K were in existance. I still want one with a turbo aluminum lsx based motor in it. Local kid built one...only mid 500's whp at the moment due to valvespring issues but being so light, its quick. Once the valvefloat issue is taken care of and rpms can be turned, it will be a 600+ whp car.

 

Wow...600+ whp in a little RX7. I see a 9 second 1/4 mile in that thing!

 

Yeah, it should move. I was hoping to run him at the track but the car wasnt completed yet. Its gonna be fast either way. Not a lot of power for a turbo lsx motor but in a car that small/light, its alot of power.

 

You're still going on about this supposed Nissan Turbo car you had, yet you show that you know little to nothing about turbochargers or tuning.

Tell, me, why would you need to reprogram the ECU, if you have a piggy back, AKA "Fuel computer" as you call it?

You forgot to mention the "stage 4 turbo."

 

Because a fuel computer cannot control things like spark curves, radiator fan on/off, etc.

 

http://z31.com/faq/turbo.faq.shtml There is your stage "4" turbo people are often referring to.

 

Take a look at what they call "stage 5" ,Sixshooter. The ecu reprogram is required along with the additional "fuel computer".

 

Pretty sure that website is referring to the "stages" as the order of modifications that you can do to your car from beggining bolt ons to major upgrades. IE: Stage 5 includes a bigger turbo, possible cam swap, etc. Theres no real "stage 5" or "stage whatever" turbo.

 

So why would you need a "fuel computer" if you reprogram the ECU?

It seems to me like you are trying to make aome onacure point about how "expensive" a turbocharged car is, when if you plan things out properly, it doesn't have to be.

 

It is referring to Nissan Turbo cars. That WAS what i was referring to a few posts back. That is what I was referring to as " Stage 4 or Stage 5 Turbo".

 

That is exactly what that site is saying, eapecially since 4 in Roman numerals ia "IV" and turbos don't get mentioned until "stage V++" which is't even a number...

 

We all know if you own a "Turbo" car , if i say i am running stage "2" turbo ,then you can kinda guess what i am saying right? Ok, so then you can kinda understand ,this guy says he has "stage 2" turbo, Ok,then i guess he owns a turbo car with exhaust and intake mods. Get it? This is not getting technical.

 

For the record, the fuel computer aka as the "Fcon", can be useful to compensate for additional fuel and when adding an extra injector. If you choose.

 

Give it up, that is some arbitrary list that someone made that could have easily been listed as Stages "A,B,C,D...." or Stages "Smiley Face, Batman symbol, Spork, Sun...."

In a list that some one makes up ANYTHING could be "Stage 1,Smiley Face, A"