...continue sturring da pot...
2JZ is very good engine and it doesn't have to go in supra and LS1 doesn't have into 3rd gen, and budgets don't have to be limited....HAHA. I still think that stuffing LS1 into 3rd gen is the easiest (most documented) way to a muscle car and the most economical. yes 3300lbs is not "exaclty" muscle car deffinition, but price deffinetly is. Yet again I am dealing with "here-now" situation when I was given firebird. If I was given a civic, I wouldn't be doing anything with it, but that's just me, there are plenty of people that would and that's ok. As for budget it's a target that I aimng for.
Here's "support info"
Leather: http://www.theleatherguy.org/BARGAIN...ES-143953.aspx
Engine: http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-3-LITER-VO...item2eb8e0ff0e
vinyl is usually $6'ish per yard
I already have sewing machine, but if it won't take leather I have access to one that can.
Paint: http://www.eastwood.com/eastwood-rat...paint-kit.html
...It's not like I haven't done it before, not at this scale though, but still.
Cheers

 

Here's a beauty I have to deal with. These pics were taken two years ago whre paint problem was alot less...

 

Actually, to correct myself, he's keeping the engine COMPLETELY STOCK. He's got a Turbonetics T70 turbocharger. Some of the turbo guys say he's gonna get 550bhp easy. I dont anything about turbos though, so I cant back that up that information.

 

I can see 550 flywheel HP if you push it. Might be kind of tough to get that to the rear wheels with a 4.8. The stock truck cam is ok at best and on a turbo car, running boost on a COMPLETELY stock motor is ussually not a good idea for longetivity. At a minimum, I'd replace the valve springs and the cam with a better one. You can make power on a turbo truck LSx motor, no doubt, but how long it lasts means changing things like head studs, valve springs, head gaskets, etc.

 

From wikipedia:
...In land speed racing, an 1,800 hp (1,340 kW) twin-turbocharged Pontiac GTA developed by Gale Banks of Southern California, set a land speed record for the "World's Fastest Passenger Car" of 277 mph (446 km/h).... this was in 87.

 

I know, I've read about that car many times. But what did that have to do with what I said?? To make 1800 HP you need to do A LOT more than just slap a truck motor in your car with a turbo, trust me!

 

All I wanted to say is that the limit if pretty high. I does take alot make that power and world fastest passenger car was a pontiac, not a supra
supra is very cool and I am sure that if Banks got 2jzgte he'd do something symilar with it. But there must be a reason that he didin't maybe? And there's a reason that 2jz jdm setup sells for $2k all day long and most LS are almost twice that. Now I am not sure what that reason is myself.....

 

That reason is simply to do with the fact that people will pay it, nothing more.

There are people like Gale Banks in the import communities that get insane power out of much smaller displacement engines. There was a time when what Gale Banks did was amazing, now it's just above mediocre, compared to what people are doing now with less displacement and less money.

In 1987 the 2JZ wasn't around yet, it would be for a number of years.

BTW, that is no longer the worlds fastest passenger car, there are now show room stock cars that are now MUCH faster than that car was.

 

Ahh, I lost the point here.... starting to get a hunch that GM's v8 cars are a new rice. Ou wait, I got it, the title of this thread is "why do honda/import "tuner" people think their stuff is fast". I guess we just answered the question because even hard-core bowtiers that dumped thousands of american dollars in their gms think so. I have a question though: which show room floor car has a documented top speed of 277 mph?
I maybe operating on old data, but I only know of two 1) bugatti veyron with documented 268mph and SSC tuatara with documented 275mph. Ouuu yeahh, I'll take three, wrap'em'up LOOOL. BTW, SSC is made by Shelby (do I hear amiriken wee 8t???). both are "records" that being set this year 24 years after mediocre banks and at the time of latest record plenty of 2jz were lining junkyard shelves right next to ls1s. Please, don't get mad, I am not trying to start a fight, or pissing match. Once again, my point is: anything is possible with enogh time, money and skill, but I am short on eigher and think 3rd gen f body is the best candidate for "musclecar'in" than any jap or euro car.... THAT'S IT....
...and so you don't think that I am bulls'tn you (on fastest production car):
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...percar-tuatara
And don't you think it's ironic that we keep comparing grandfathered GM's thechnology with something that didn't even exist in last century, and somehow that "old and inferrior" still fatches more dough? I don't want to think that that many people are ignorrant.... even otherwise the price forming goes against basic economic principal of supply and demand, since there are way more LSx junk on a market then 2JZ

 

Ok, so to keep harping on the 2JZ thing...

The 2JZ was introduced in the early '90s, so it was definitely around "last century." 1991 to be exact. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_JZ_engine

They are an engine that has been known to support 4 digit HP on a stock block and crank. I have yet to see ANY LS engine do that, oh wait, the blocks fail at around 800 HP, if you get that far.

You can go on this "LS is the greatest engine ever made" band wagon, but the simple truth of the matter is that is it far from the best, it has many problems and issues, just like any other engine ever made. The only reason it's so popular is becase it's the replacement for the SBC, which itself was a very over rated engine. One of the least efficient mass produced engines ever, but it has a following simply because it was in production for a long time, which made parts easy to get and made economic sense for the aftermarket to produce parts for it, because the parts would be easy to sell for a long time. The LS came along as a replacement and people latched on it, for the same reasons, along with "It's the grand kid of the SBC, it must be goodaar!!!" While it may be more efficient than the SBC was, it's still very limited and uses weak components, due to being mass produced. Look at any LS engine that is both reliable and powerful, there is not one GM component in that engine, the same thing happened with the SBC. Many people would claim to have a SBC engine under their hood, but when you look at the list of parts that went into, not a single part came from a GM car, the only exception in mild to medium builds was the block. But to get any serious power you had to replace that too, or fill it with block fill, and even then it may fail.

To steer in a different direction...

Compare displacements, most import engines that are being souped up, are in the less than 3.0L displacement range, making plenty of power.

Lets look specifically at the 2JZ, as I said before many are known to make over 1000 HP, somewhat easily, using around 3.0L of displacement. Every SBC and LS engine I see making this kind of power are WELL over 6.0L in displacement, many over 8.0L, and all but a select few are using some form of power adder, just like the 2JZ does to make the same power.

That being said, I'm certainly not a fan of the 2JZ engine, but you seem to want to slag on it pretty hard. I'd use a 2JZ engine long before (most) domestic engines. the LS would be about second to last on my list with the SBC being dead last.

Personally I have a (Nissan) 2.8L I6 that is turbocharged, no it doesn't make any where near 1000 HP, but it does make close to 300 HP, according to calculations of trap speed, which I trust WAY more than any dyno sheet. AFAIK, it's a bone stock N/A version from 1981, that has never been opened. All I did was add the turbo bits, and EFI, a tune (or dozen) and drive it like I hate it, almost daily. This is a 40+ year old design, that was introduced in the late '60s and only had minor tweaks over the years of production up to 1984 IIRC was the last year.

Yes I've seen the Hot Rod article that showed them making 800 HP IIRC from a bone yard LS, but if you read it carefully they say it won't last long, or that it did fail. I don't recall the exact details, but I know they said that it was under ideal conditions in a controlled environment that would likely not be able to be repeated in an actual car.

You can waste your money however you want, but I'll use mine to find more efficient ways to get the power, and realize that I really don't need as much as I want, because honestly, the 300 HP I have in my car now is WAY more than enough to get in trouble before getting through an intersection. lol

 

FYI, LS1 cranks are nearly bulletproof. Most builds I see have aftermarket rods and pistons but a stock crank still. The blocks are very strong as well, especially the iron versions. I have seen a stock internal truck 5.3 or 6.0 make damn near 1000 HP. Theres a guy running around with a 5.3 making over 700 RWHP. Stock internals 5.3, just upgraded head studs and gaskets. He's been running it hard for around 3 years now and it's still going. I'm sure reliability becomes an issue once you make that much power on stock internals, but most people do have decent luck with them. The LSx series motors are a far cry from the old SBC...any gear head can see that.

With that said, the 2JZ is an excellent motor as well, but is in the same situation as the LSx. There have been SOME that have made high HP on a stock internal motor, but then again, there have been plenty that have blown up around the 600 HP range. I personally have a freind with a mid 90's supra that blew up the original motor at only 520 RWHP.

 

Just a few comments here and just for fun.

It's all about what you like and what you want.

The LSX Series blocks support over 2,000 horsepower. If a guy is buying an LSX block, then he's probably not going to be putting "GM" parts in it. He's going to go aftermarket and build a very strong engine because he is building a serious competition engine.

I'm not sure how much power a stock LSX block and internals will support, but who cares? I've seen twin turbo 1000+ stock LS1 blocks with forged internals run pass after pass after pass, and they don't fail. Engine failure is not about the engine itself...it has a lot to do with how it is built and if everything is in synch properly. The LS engines are great engines and produce nice power and work very well for street rods.

And the argument is that the LSX is the best engine GM ever made..not the best engine EVER made.

And you're comparing power from smaller displacement engines to power from larger displacement engines. You can't really make a valid comparison here.

Really, when comparing say your car to a muscle car, the only way to compare them is to race them on a track and in a straight line, then draw your conclusions from what happens. One car may be better on a track while the other is better in a drag race. Some cars are good all around. It all costs money.

To get V-8 power from small four cylinders or inline 6 cylinder engines like the 2JZ, you need turbos or superchargers. You need to get more air pumping through these engines to make the power.

You can compare quality sure. The 2JZ is a good engine, and so is the LS1.

Any engine can fail, due to many factors.

The small block chevy is a good engine. It has stood the test of time. It makes good power and parts are usually not as expensive as Mopar, Ford, and foreign parts.

It's all about what a guy wants to do and what car he likes.

I like Camaros, so I stick with the SBC. Putting a Toyota engine in it would be sacrilege, in my opinion. If I liked Supras, then I'd stick with the inline 6 JZ series engines.

It's all about what a guy likes. So, if I pull up to a 1,000 horsepower Supra, and he smokes me because I have a wimpy 550 hp N/A 383, so be it. I'll still love my Camaro.

We who like the rumble of a V-8 can appreciate the turbocharged Toyotas and stuff, and those Toyota lovers can also appreciate the V-8 engine.

Whichever route we choose, it's all just $$$ for part after part after part.

By the way, I wish I still had my SRT-4. It would be a fun race, for a few seconds, then I'd hit third gear and leave ya far behind

 

3300 lbs is a very light car.LOL. Especially in the drag racing scene

 

Couldnt've said it better myself I have absolutely nothing against anythyng, I'd love me supra, but it's way out of my price range and this crappy thing is in that range, that's it. I think I've mentioned it several times and guess what, supra engine swap was my original idea, but yes, I think that even 305 SBC is better for the street driving even if just for the fact that it cost me absolutely nothing. Fast look at ebay reveiled quite a few stock SBC's with over 200K on the clock, while it's not superb, it's acceptable. My belowed 4runner has a manifold crack and I am not alone in that, it's a know defect and the car is way under 100K. Dealer quote: $2600 to fix because manifold is one piece with cat... excellent design. So I guess every manufacturer cuts corners here and there. There are NO aftermarket support for v8 4runner, heades don't exist or I would deffinetly go aftermarket to never face same issue again, that's normal.

 

So, just wanted to say to all the import haters out there, no one cares if u don't like there car!!!! When some one puts there time, money and heart into there car( import of domestic) what makes u think u have the right to bash them. And yes i onw a import. daily driver naturally aspirated 01 integra gsr, and to date i have so far smoked a 5th Gen camaro SS( he was pissed) trailblazer SS, and my buddies 06 ram 5.7 hemi stroked to 392. So for all the haters out there talking crap, keep it to yourself nobody wants to hear it. My 92 firebird with a 454 is not a piratical DD, which is why i have the integra.

 

What engine you running in your Integra?

 

Original motor, b18c1

 

obviously people want to "hear it" or else this thread wouldn't be created in the first place and besides we don't want to hear you noisy *** exhaust aka fart can......

 

Now I know you're full of it.

 

everyone on here knows that an 01' Integra gsr is more of a 1990 rs tbi competition. It won't touch a 350 tpi, or an Lt1, so how is it going to beat an 05' camaro ss. Come on.

 

01' Integra grs does a mid 15 in the quarter.

 

A 05 camaro ss got beat by a stock integra gsr b18? ????

 

Sorry I mean 5th gen

 

Spent a lot of time working on a bolt on 98 integra GRS B18C1 header exhaust intake, ported TB and manifold and a few other goodies and it was no where near a gen 5 camaro SS

 

No way in hell you are touching a 392 stroked 5.7 1500 Ram, even a QC will blow your doors off. Hell my QC 5.7 NA will kill a NA Integra.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEvDiVKZ_1Q

 

When i said original motor , only meant its not been swapped for anything. Never said it was stock, its not. Full 2.0 build,not just intake exhaust call it good. Paint, bumpers, dash, wheels, that's about what is left stock. Look idk if the 5th Gen missed a shift or something cuz i didn't expect it either, but it happend. He pulled u next to me, said want to go,and i said ok.He ended up nose at my quarter panel, punched the steering wheel, then flipped a uturn. Belive it or don't, i could care less. No reason to lie when there's nothing to gain. I don't call my integra FAST, but its definitely not slow.

 

Any time slips or videos at the track with times??? Because I say its not happening with a heavy Integra and a NA 4 cylinder.

 

Maybe these cars were not getting any traction that would explain it usually the lower powered cars have a advantage in that situation

 

Not everyone is the stig behind the wheel in a street race, so whether it should have happened or not, it may very well could have. I beat an 01 camaro SS with my 225 RWHP 305 in my TA when I had that motor. Should I have? Heck no, but I did because the kid spun a bit on the launch and never caught back up. As long as you know that your car is most likely still the slower car and are not talking it up like it's this 5th gen camaro SS killer, then by all means, it's still a win for you.

It goes the same way with everyone that says the new 5.0's or this car or that are not 12 second cars. Well if one guy managed a mid 12 with one, then they ARE in fact mid 12 second cars, just not everyone has the skill to drive it to that.

I actually really like how that gen integra GSR's look, and wouldn't mind owning one for a DD.

 

I just know that the GSR's are not that quick stock. I killed one easily in a mid 90s Legend and had 4 adults in the car at the time.

 

Sorry no time slip. The car was recently finished and early November the great city of kc decided that another park was need more than a drag strip (RIP KCIR). This is y i love my teg, people underestimate it. To put things into perspective for the people saying its impossible, a stock 09-10 camaro SS makes 362whp(from the info iv seen) and weights 3,750lbs. That puts the power to weight ratio at 0.0970. Pretty good doesn't everyone agree? Now, my teg on its diet weights a est 2400 and makes 278whp, that puts it at (GET READY).......... 0.1158!!!!! That's right it has a better power to weight that a 5th Gen SS. Combined that with a motor that can twist 9 grand. So for all the none believers out there( apparently everyone) keep on underestimating. I likes it.

 

All motor it makes 278 whp? Now THATS a stretch. I was trying to give you some credit but your going to need some proof if you want us to believe that one. They make that with a turbo and supporting mods. Is it stroked at 13:1 compression and running race gas? Nitrous maybe? Because I own a honda as well and am on the honda forums...and that number is VERY high for all motor.

 

Well that makes it a tad more believable I guess.

Even with a built 4 banger, it's hard to believe. I've seen crazier things happen, though, but it was always a matter of circumstances (missed shift....poor driving, etc. The Camaro driver probably couldn't drive very well.

Races aren't just cars against cars but drivers against drivers, even with two mismatched cars like an Integra and a new Camaro.

But man.... give me a new Camaro SS and I could have won that race my first day as a licensed driver.

I don't hate imports...I just don't drive them.

My little SRT-4 was pushing around 440 to 460 hp, depending on how hot it was outside down in Arizona. I consistently walked Vettes, old school muscle cars, etc. I ate Acuras for snacks, too. Never had one beat me...not even turbocharged ones....not RSX's, not Integras, not even NSX's. Sad really because NSX's are supposed to be pretty fast.

I raced a Lingenfelter Vette and lost. I raced a 900 hp Supra and lost. I raced some Cuda and lost. These were all larger displacement forced induction engines. I actually did pretty well against the turbocharged Z06 but still lost but not by as much as I expected.

A lot of times guys would laugh at me when they saw my four door "Neon," so lots of them may not have tried very hard, until they saw my taillights and thought, "Oh crap I better get on the gas here!" Ha good times.

Races are mental, too.

I mastered that SRT-4, though. I practiced launching it 500 times a week, and I got the feel of 460 hp in a front wheel drive car that weighed in at 2890 pounds. I bought new front tires every two to three weeks, too. he he he

Like Rainman says, "I'm an excellent driver."

 

turbo rx7 is FAR from ultra rare. sure not as common as the N/A but still far from ultra rare. price wise they seem to be about the same around here in idaho though compared to the thirdgen for the N/A vs the thirdgen's. if you are talking about a 93rx7 though that is a different story and you are looking at 8k just about starting range with models in decent to good range starting at around 13k. if you find one that is low mileage in great condition you could be up in the 18k+ range. but that is a different story and those are a little more rare.

back to the 80's rx7s though it depends on how good of shape. I sold mine for pennies. the stuff I had on it was worth more then what I sold the car for but I didn't have the want or will to put the OEM stuff back on it and I needed it gone. there are others though that are still going for a decent penny just as you can get some thridgens for a good price. for the most part though neither of them really are holding value and I doubt that either of them really will go up in value. if any of them do honestly I would say the rx7 would more then the thirdgen.
you can say it is me picking sides but I don't believe that is the case. the rx7 at least had some unique things about it while the thirdgen is almost a car that everyone has owned. sure you have you exceptions like your l98 that might be worth something but outside of that or a few a other special versions they are a common car with nothing that really makes them stand out other then the name and even that wasn't made that strong with the 80's version of the cars.


to the person who said BMW's and mercedes don't hold retail either in some ways they dont' you are right at least not compared to their original value but then again look at what type of car they are. they are a rich persons status icon style thing. who wants to be seen as a rich man trying to show off in a car that is 5 years old? I'm rich, I'm fancy, I want to show it off and have the latest, greatest and I'm gonna get that in something that is more then 5 years old? doubtfull and so it seems the ydrop like rocks because of that.
kind of interesting I've actually been thinking of buying a BMW and the high end models costing 60-70k new are actually cheaper to buy then the lower end models that cost I think around 30k or so new. the differents is quite a bit to where it is going to be easier to buy the high end model quicker and easier then the low end model. honestly though I want the mid end though. little v8 putting out around 320lbs/ft of torque or so in a 3800lb car or so able to run mid good 14's isn't too bad. but all depends on how money goes.




yes and no domestics can't even make a fast car I mean I doubt a 80's nova can even make 200-250hp, and even if a nova couldn't chances are it wouldn't turn either or be very streetable. hell I'll even do you better, I bet you the same regarding this with corsica's, centuries, metro's and such. all domestics and none of the mare really that great.

what do you define as usable?


3300 pounds is a fatty. I don't mean slightly over weight I mean a fatty bidunkadunk.


I can easily see the integra winning. I mean very easily. maybe the camaro owner couldn't drive?
just a thought. well about the only thought. only other things I Could come up with is the camaro owner wasn't racing or the SS really was a V6 with SS badging?


wow I'm bored tonight

how heavy do you define as heavy. I don't believe the integras are quite that heavy

 

Nobody can really judge the future and whats going to be worth what. Just after seeing the rock bottom pricing that the 3rd gens hit, and now seeing how they've slowly been increasing over the years makes me really think they will be worth some money in the future. Prob not what a 67 camaro is, but I can see them getting to the $8k-11K range for clean ones with not a ton of miles say 10 years down the road. I've owned mine for 9 years now and when I bought it I got it for rock bottom price. $2200 for a top model 86 TA in great shape with 104K miles. That car now had I not touched it and parked it I am certain could have sold for $5K if not a bit more, because of the shape it was in. I guess only time will tell.

You do have to remember though that because a 3rd gen was in almost EVERYONES life at one point or another, it probably helps them to be more desireable for the fact that everyone can relate to them, and have a soft spot for them. American cars are just more desireable in America because we have a certain appreciation for them as opposed to a japanese car. RX7's are great cars, don't get me wrong. I think the engine design and fact that the car is very different than a normal piston engine steers a lot of people away, besides the rotary die hards of course. We could argue all day about the topic. I guess 5-10 years down the road we'll see who made a better prediction though!

 

ricers are lame.

 

The Shelby Super Car company has nothing to do with Carrol Shelby by the way. But they are American.

 

very well could be a chance of that but looking at the later 70's second gens around here they go for cheap. the thirdgens aren't much better. granted I knwo things can change and who knows what could happen

sad as it is to say I would love to own another rx7 doubt that will ever happen. have one kid in the world and one more that is going to be evicted out of his little cave and into life tomorrow (should of been the 16th but the bugger didnt' want to come out). rx7's don't work for family cars and I don't have the funds to just buy a fun car. but good news is we should at least end up with a V8 come tax time :-) only thing is I highly doubt it will be american and doubtfull it will be japanese.

 

ok...

 

yup...

 

A long time ago I've seen a video of civic running away from what I think was a C5 corvette. LOL. But the guy in corvette just kept smoking the tires for the first 300 yards. It's the same as ghetto gangstaz shooting sideways.... looks baad but totally ineffective
So, yes, with proper monkey at the wheel of 10 seconds car can be outrun by a kid on a big wheel.
I "killed" quite a few v8s on my boxer 4 wrx wagon, so what? Driving in traffic is very different skill then 1/4 mile race

 

I would like to step in as im 18.

Myself and about 30 others in Oregon all have car meets friday nights, Sure most of them have imports. My good friend has a Gsr integra, B18 with slight cams, and a decent ECU, sure its not a 10 second car, but it smokes the hell out of most things here. He has all his money and time into this car, why? Because thats what he likes.

Also, without being turbo'd there are a few good reasons for imports.

1. Suspension
I drive my friends 99 stock integra b18, The thing will literally corner anything you want it to.
2. Gas millage
Sure, having a beefy v8 is fun as hell, but when i have friends with stock imports that keep up with me and pull 3 times the gas millage as i do? Why wouldnt you want that?
3. Easy to find parts
I cant even count the amount of performance parts on craigslist here. But when i look for parts for my 86 iroc-z28 im **** out of luck.

So before you judging these "ricers" think about it, they talk just as much **** about you guys as you do to them.

Yeah i like to get sideways as f^ck, i also like the v8 rumble, but i have also owned an integra and i cant say that i know which i like better.

Also, a turbo'd AWD subaru is f^cking amazing here, so much fun to rally the hell out of it and not have to care. Same with evo's.

And im not saying i like all "ricers", there are a lot that you just kinda laugh at, for instance this kid at my school with a paint job of 4 shades of black, lime green spray painted intercooler, single cam, with a 200$ ebay turbo kit.

 

What a lot of people fail to realize is the difference between rice and tuner. I would say rice is anything with a 4cyl and a FWD platform. Its already at a major disadvantage with that drivetrain and its got a very tiny engine to boot. Its a eco box. Nothing more. Sure you can make them fast, but it still won't be a true performance car until that FWD situation is taken care of.

That isn't to say I don't like them ( I like the newer Integras and Celicas ) but it won't be able to do the things RWD or AWD can do.

And needless to say, rice includes anything done up with Autozone chrome, HIDs, tiny rims, stickers and a fartcan if applicable. I think there was a picture posted of a 4th gen Camaro looking pretty Fast and Furious. I would call that rice.

Tuner, things like the RX-7, 300ZX, Supra, Evos, WRX STi's, things of that nature are true performance cars. I like tuner cars. I was even considering a 300ZX until I put my foot down on getting a 3rd gen Firebird.

Tuners are fast to begin with. ( Fast-ish ) I would say any Japanese sports car is a tuner. They have some speed to them and are stylish at the same time.

TLDR; Tuners are nice. Rice is not.

 

No, 3300 lbs in very light. You gotta look at the cars at the track. Novas, Chevelles, Camaro's, Fox bodies. They are all in that range. A heavy car is like a Family sedan like a Lincoln town car. They use a similar engine to the Ford Mustang Gt,but weigh 500-600lbs more. They are like 3800 lb family cars. That is heavy. Also, how could you see an Integra easily winning against an 05 Camaro? LOL. They are more like a 1990 Camaro RS with TBI's competition. They are just little cars, little cars are usually not very fast.

 

Again put a turbo on the Iroc and see who wins. IIRC, the Acura Integra GSR and even the "R" version pull a mid 15 in the quarter. That is like a regular Camaro RS with the L03 TBI engine.

 

You gotta look at it this way. If a 4cyl was so fast, then howcome Nascar takes the engines out of every car and puts in a v8? Why are they still using Chevelles, and Old Novas at the dragstrip? Why aren't people selling their muscle cars for Hondas and Acuras?

 

Why is NASCAR still using OHV engines and carburetors? The answer is: rules. It is or was thought that the current rules help keep a level playing field. Nascar has announced that they will be switching to EFI, if they haven't already. I don't recall the date for the change over, since I don't care much for toilet bowl racing.

People use those cars, because that's what they like, or already own or their parents owned one. They are in no way superior to any car with a smaller engine or newer. It's your closed mindedness that believes that.

3300 lbs is quite heavy, my Datsun, built in 1973 weighs around 2400 lbs, and is one of the most rigid, non aftermarket reinforced cars I've owned. J-bodies of the '80s and early '90s weighed around 2800 lbs, RX-7s of the '80s weighed under 2700 lbs. The list can go on...

So your IROC needs a turbo to beat a 4 cyl N/A Integra GSR? Who has the more efficient car then.

ninetyone, you might want to cover your ignorance, it's showing again.

 

Did you meen mustang?

 

Why would an Iroc need a turbo to beat a 4cyl car? I said add a turbo to the Iroc and then add a turbo to the Integra and see who wins. Remember , you are the guy that doesn't even own a thirdgen. You own a Datsun.

 

So, howcome your 2400lb Datsun N/A could not touch an Iroc or even a Camaro from 1973? The Camaro is almost 1000lbs heavier. Come one. Could it be your engine is small?