why do honda/import "tuner" people think their stuff is fast
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as for that and your someday blown engine, time will tell, as it always does
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All I have to say is good job guys. You have officially proven your lack of knowledge in the automotive game, and I commend you both.
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& nope already know i wont find anything Last edited by kmcn47; Sep 25, 2011 at 11:16 PM. Reason: forgot the d
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LOL, this is why you are making yourself look the fool. You can find plenty on what people are running boost wise on these engines. I'll even give you a head start, www.hybridz.org.
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Turbo timers are installed to automatically cool down a turbo for those to lazy to wait the extra 3 minutes or so. If you drive a turbo charged car out of boost for any amount of time, how much work do you think its actually doing to the turbo itself? (granted you know how a turbo works)
Like SixShooter said, as long as you don't boost it hard within a mile of shutting down, you don't run the risk of "cooking" your turbo. Yea after a race or extended hard drive you have to let it sit.
As for oil change every 2k miles, you have some reading to do on modern oil. The 3-4k mile oil change now a days is rediculous. I graduated with an engineering degree, had a diesel professor who was an expert with gasoline and diesel engines. He gave us boat loads of information on todays oil and it is by far superior to 10 years ago and can last thousands of miles more than 3-4k. Although there will ways be those people who swear to changing there oil every 2k or 3k.
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As for oil change every 2k miles, you have some reading to do on modern oil. The 3-4k mile oil change now a days is rediculous. I graduated with an engineering degree, had a diesel professor who was an expert with gasoline and diesel engines. He gave us boat loads of information on todays oil and it is by far superior to 10 years ago and can last thousands of miles more than 3-4k. Although there will ways be those people who swear to changing there oil every 2k or 3k.
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And yea, I went deaf a loooooong time ago listening to him.
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you know noone here is going to make any progress convincing anyone of anything, Six_shooter your a mod, lock this damn forum please i think its the best course of action
ohh and i've been to the site before, looked for info on anyone swapping a 4.3 vortech into a 2.8 thirdgen car, couldn't find anything and admitted to myslf that it would be too difficult, i wanted the 4.3 cuz its pretty tourqy and powerful and is the most reliable engine i've ever seen, wanted to replace my 2.8 with it, but i sold the car and got a pretty nice almost showroom camaro with the money
ohh and i've been to the site before, looked for info on anyone swapping a 4.3 vortech into a 2.8 thirdgen car, couldn't find anything and admitted to myslf that it would be too difficult, i wanted the 4.3 cuz its pretty tourqy and powerful and is the most reliable engine i've ever seen, wanted to replace my 2.8 with it, but i sold the car and got a pretty nice almost showroom camaro with the money
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Forums are meant for learning....so why aren't you two learning anything out of this? You are clearly outnumbered by every other person that has been posting so why can't you just get it that jap cars can handle boost just fine, and all the other myths about imports are just that...myths. In this day and age, there is absolutely NO reason you guys can't do a little research on the net and see that V8's are not the godly end all engine you think they are.
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Forums are meant for learning....so why aren't you two learning anything out of this? You are clearly outnumbered by every other person that has been posting so why can't you just get it that jap cars can handle boost just fine, and all the other myths about imports are just that...myths. In this day and age, there is absolutely NO reason you guys can't do a little research on the net and see that V8's are not the godly end all engine you think they are.

He wants it locked because he finally realizes that he's wrong...
Also I don't moderate this forum, so I'm just another member when I'm in this forum.
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Forums are meant for learning....so why aren't you two learning anything out of this? You are clearly outnumbered by every other person that has been posting so why can't you just get it that jap cars can handle boost just fine, and all the other myths about imports are just that...myths. In this day and age, there is absolutely NO reason you guys can't do a little research on the net and see that V8's are not the godly end all engine you think they are.
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In reading through this thread, I can't help but to feel a bit stupider. Sooo much fail... Ninetyone, tisk tisk. I have owned numerous turbo cars over the years. No cool down time is necessary if you haven't been beating on it right before shut down. If you read the factory manual of any turbo car, it will clearly say to only allow a cool down after "spirited" driving. I think I would know... Imports CAN be fast with minimal money, PERIOD. NO stock third gen camaro or firebird (minus the elusive 92 Firehawk) were anything to brag about from the factory. Think it might be time to shave off that mu11et, and get with the times. It's guys like you that give Thirdgen.org a bad name. Research is a wonderful thing...try it. But what do I know?? I've been racing for years, working with many different cars and engine setups. It's tough to talk smack when all you've had time to experience was your bolt on tuned port third gen...
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No, the engine in my car is the only engine I've had in that car, this is my second import though.
I plan to swap it out for something else, when I have time.
I plan to swap it out for something else, when I have time.
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jk man, seriously lets lock this thread somehow, pm one of its mods? Member
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i may have made the statement that v8s were always gonna be more powerful dollar for dollar and mod for mod, and i stand by it, sure a jap car can handle boost, hence most of them come factory with turbos, never said they didn't only that if six shooters engine, (his second one iirc) probably shouldn't be pushing so much boost as it wasn't built for it, even if it can take it, for how long? and i came on hear bashing "ricers" in my first post in the forum i acknowledged that i respected what real "tuners" were doing in taking fast cars and "refining" there speed "sharpening a razorblade" if you will and listed callaway, lingenfelter, (i think) spoon, RUF and AMG theres nothing wrong with tuning a car and trying to get more power from it, however there is something wrong with throwing a fart cannon on an eagle talon and painting it neon **** yellow and then claiming to blow away evos and subarus, (a kid in my high school couple years ago did all this) and yes i raced him, yes i won, and yes a few weeks later being a douche ***** that he was he blew his car up because he cant really drive it anyway, i'm sure with a heavy duty expensive turbo he could have had a fast car, but it was stock and abused by the p o as it was. all i was saying is that i hate guys like this not you guys who build it with care and actually do work to it, sorry if i offended anyone (six_shooter, whitedevil t/a...not shorty skater
) i tend to come across as an ******* when i joke around, but i do still beleive that theres always someone faster
) i tend to come across as an ******* when i joke around, but i do still beleive that theres always someone fasterYou sir can GTFO! You bash and bash and bash, then come back with an apology. You should ask for your user to be deleted and banned for life.
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Skate punk I'm clearly not. Must be another stereotype you have to people who skateboard just like your view towards imports.
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I just want something more modern than what is in it. I also planned to swap a particular engine into before even buying the car.
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No, I'm nearing my HP goals for this engine. It has way more than enough power to get into trouble pretty quickly, I'm actually re-thinking my HP goals for the engine I plan to put in, I really don't need that much.
I just want something more modern than what is in it. I also planned to swap a particular engine into before even buying the car.
I just want something more modern than what is in it. I also planned to swap a particular engine into before even buying the car.
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Ok, there is one V8 I'd consider and that's the Mercruiser assembled LT5.
LSx's also have their problems, and have been swapped a LOT into S30s, you should be able to find a dozen or so build threads that involve LSx into an S30 in about 65 seconds on google.
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**** no, there will never be a V8 in my car for as long as I own it. Why does everyone assume that an engine swap has to involve a SBC, or LSx? 
Ok, there is one V8 I'd consider and that's the Mercruiser assembled LT5.
LSx's also have their problems, and have been swapped a LOT into S30s, you should be able to find a dozen or so build threads that involve LSx into an S30 in about 65 seconds on google.

Ok, there is one V8 I'd consider and that's the Mercruiser assembled LT5.
LSx's also have their problems, and have been swapped a LOT into S30s, you should be able to find a dozen or so build threads that involve LSx into an S30 in about 65 seconds on google.
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Hmmm. looks like a DSM does the 1/4 in about 14.5 seconds on average. About like your average thirdgen. Ok, for $400,what can you do to the Dsm to hit 13's safely? I think i would start with exhaust and then move to a CAI, downpipe, then a boost controller and bigger inj. along with a re-tune of the ecm. Looks like even with used parts that would cost a lot more than a few hundred bucks.LOL and how about a N/A Honda Civic or something? Looks like a 2012 Civic Si does the quarter in a best of 14.8 , how much to make that run 13's? forget it.
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Ya know what, nintyone sounds EXACTLY like a "*****". He obviously knows everything there is to know about cars, got his 2.73 L98 to run 13's for a few hundred dollars (I think he leaned how to get the VTEC to kick in yo), has never lost a race and one part can add an ungodly amount of horsepower. Anyone else notice that? So you only had to spend an extra $300 to make your car fast, how much did the PO spend so you can make your claims?
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**** no, there will never be a V8 in my car for as long as I own it. Why does everyone assume that an engine swap has to involve a SBC, or LSx? 
Ok, there is one V8 I'd consider and that's the Mercruiser assembled LT5.
LSx's also have their problems, and have been swapped a LOT into S30s, you should be able to find a dozen or so build threads that involve LSx into an S30 in about 65 seconds on google.

Ok, there is one V8 I'd consider and that's the Mercruiser assembled LT5.
LSx's also have their problems, and have been swapped a LOT into S30s, you should be able to find a dozen or so build threads that involve LSx into an S30 in about 65 seconds on google.
I was looking at one for a swap in a RX7 a bit ago but they were really expensive just for the engine. 10-15K
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In reading through this thread, I can't help but to feel a bit stupider. Sooo much fail... Ninetyone, tisk tisk. I have owned numerous turbo cars over the years. No cool down time is necessary if you haven't been beating on it right before shut down. If you read the factory manual of any turbo car, it will clearly say to only allow a cool down after "spirited" driving. I think I would know... Imports CAN be fast with minimal money, PERIOD. NO stock third gen camaro or firebird (minus the elusive 92 Firehawk) were anything to brag about from the factory. Think it might be time to shave off that mu11et, and get with the times. It's guys like you that give Thirdgen.org a bad name. Research is a wonderful thing...try it. But what do I know?? I've been racing for years, working with many different cars and engine setups. It's tough to talk smack when all you've had time to experience was your bolt on tuned port third gen... 

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Ya know what, nintyone sounds EXACTLY like a "*****". He obviously knows everything there is to know about cars, got his 2.73 L98 to run 13's for a few hundred dollars (I think he leaned how to get the VTEC to kick in yo), has never lost a race and one part can add an ungodly amount of horsepower. Anyone else notice that? So you only had to spend an extra $300 to make your car fast, how much did the PO spend so you can make your claims?
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**** no, there will never be a V8 in my car for as long as I own it. Why does everyone assume that an engine swap has to involve a SBC, or LSx? 
Ok, there is one V8 I'd consider and that's the Mercruiser assembled LT5.
LSx's also have their problems, and have been swapped a LOT into S30s, you should be able to find a dozen or so build threads that involve LSx into an S30 in about 65 seconds on google.

Ok, there is one V8 I'd consider and that's the Mercruiser assembled LT5.
LSx's also have their problems, and have been swapped a LOT into S30s, you should be able to find a dozen or so build threads that involve LSx into an S30 in about 65 seconds on google.
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Again, you guys must really convinced by the younger generation or are young as hell yourselves. Show me how to get an import into the 13's for around $400. No one can or has responded to that post i made yet! Come on , lets hear it. I did it with a thirdgen. Mod for mod , a v8 responds much, much better. Take your Honda Civic Si , which is the poster child for your average young *****. It runs a 14.8 . What mods for $400 can you do to make it run in the 13's without adding boost? A lot of the non-turbo imports only respond to an exhaust mod with about 4hp of an increase vs double that or more for a thirdgen. So you say that imports can be fast for minimal money? like what your famous CAI for $200 or how about your Tornado air swirler for like $50. LOL Come on. Also, if you proper care of your turbo, then you don't take chances. Turbos can blow fairly easily. Ever seen one blow? It produces so much blue smoke from your tailpipe that it will stop traffic on the expressway. LOL. That can happen from not changing your oil on regular intervals and or not letting it cool down. Ever see what butter does even in a frying pan on low after you turn it off?
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Hey a 14.4 from a v6 accord is pretty good , i will admit that ,but i don't think you are going to gain a half a second from a CAI. Just doesn't happen. Or maybe the vtec kicked in yo!
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Ya know what, nintyone sounds EXACTLY like a "*****". He obviously knows everything there is to know about cars, got his 2.73 L98 to run 13's for a few hundred dollars (I think he leaned how to get the VTEC to kick in yo), has never lost a race and one part can add an ungodly amount of horsepower. Anyone else notice that? So you only had to spend an extra $300 to make your car fast, how much did the PO spend so you can make your claims?
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Well, the only way to acheive 0-60 in under 7 seconds in a Datsun Z car is by adding a sbc. I guess you could turbo charge it like you did too,but i prefer the sound of a rumbling 327 or 350 chevy in that thing. Don't have to worry about a turbo blowing or blowing up your engine from boost. If you looked into the Nissan Autosports catalog , they sell engine kits for N/A 6 cyl Z cars , which is called the big bore kit. Makes your 2.8 a 3.1 ,etc. An entire engine kit. Even with heads, cam it looks like it still would not do 0-60 in under 7 seconds.
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lol i wish i could get my v6 camaro car down to civic hatchback wieght dam thing would run in the 10's almost said 9's but for some reason i was thinking they were about 2k lighter. lmao had a lil brain fart there for a second.
i prolly could knock 1,000 pounds off my car but then it wouldnt be something id want to drive everyday
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lol i wish i could get my v6 camaro car down to civic hatchback wieght dam thing would run in the 10's almost said 9's but for some reason i was thinking they were about 2k lighter. lmao had a lil brain fart there for a second.
i prolly could knock 1,000 pounds off my car but then it wouldnt be something id want to drive everyday
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Let's make a fair comparison using an 89 Turbo TA (ya know, the turbo V6 one AND made in the USA
) against an 89 GTA L98 350. Assume both are dead stock and both owners wanted to run, say, mid 11s. I can GUARANTEE you the turbo TA will do it for less than $2000 and not even remove a valve cover....
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Well, the only way to acheive 0-60 in under 7 seconds in a Datsun Z car is by adding a sbc. I guess you could turbo charge it like you did too,but i prefer the sound of a rumbling 327 or 350 chevy in that thing. Don't have to worry about a turbo blowing or blowing up your engine from boost. If you looked into the Nissan Autosports catalog , they sell engine kits for N/A 6 cyl Z cars , which is called the big bore kit. Makes your 2.8 a 3.1 ,etc. An entire engine kit. Even with heads, cam it looks like it still would not do 0-60 in under 7 seconds.
I've seen many N/A 6 cylinder S30s that are VERY quick, 0-60 is much less than your 7 seconds.
Those 3.1L strokers are popular with the I6 crowd, but instead of picking up a catalog to order overpriced parts, they find the Nissan diesel I6 and grab the crank from it. A little research goes a long, long way.
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The L98 was one of the most powerful and sucessful engines Chevy produced.
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You sir, are a F*#^ing idiot. The douchbaggery is unparalleled with you, and somehow you always find ways to make fun of someone for sticking up for imports, whether they were being polite to you or not. Please remove the stick from your @** and come to reality.....you did not run 13's in a 350 TPI for $400, your 350 TPI sorry to say was one of the slowest V8's made, and modern V6 cars will ussually take a 350 TPI car. I don't know what is so hard to understand about the fact that you do NOT need a turbo in a jap car to go fast. They have this little secret where they ussually weigh nothing and THAT is what gives them thier speed, not engine HP. You are so clueless on the matter it's not even funny. I'm starting to get sick of this thread since you are obviously never going to learn a damn thing.
GM CFI and the L03 were some of the slower "later model " engines,but they have potential. So, get your facts straight bud. Modern v6 cars do not often take L98 350s. LOL
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Plus do you really think a Honda with fart pipe is a cool car? They in no way resemble a muscle car. If that was the case then why do you basically only see old 60's and 70's muscle on the drag strip? Hmmm. i don't see any of those guys selling their Chevelles for a Civic. They use old v8's! That is how it is. Sorry
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Thirdgen's are also great to modify for the strip, they are light cars. Most of us on here would not even entertain the idea of using or building a Honda or Dsm for the dragstrip. Come on, if that is how you feel,then you need to be posting your stuff on the Honda boards
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You think i wanna give in and resemble one of those young ,confused kids that sounds like a swarm of bumblebees is following my car? Oh wait, i be bassing man, yo,watch the vtec yo. Hell no! that is why a Thirdgen car is totally rock n' roll!!!
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I would rather have a nice powerful thirdgen
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Plus do you really think a Honda with fart pipe is a cool car? They in no way resemble a muscle car. If that was the case then why do you basically only see old 60's and 70's muscle on the drag strip? Hmmm. i don't see any of those guys selling their Chevelles for a Civic. They use old v8's! That is how it is. Sorry
And to comment on you $400 to go fast statement. Someone made a post for you to make a list of parts to equal $400 to get your car into the 13's. You have yet to do that. To make a car go from low 15's/ high 14's to the 13 second range for $400 or less is rediculous if not impossible. Exhaust alone runs you $300 or more. Once again, you are an idiot.
And out of your mod list, gaurentee the PO added 97% of it and you take credit for it.
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Re: why do honda/import "tuner" people think their stuff is fast
and put what you have to say in one post.
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Because that's all that was around when they were growing up and its all they grew to know/learn. They know the insides and outs of those cars just like some know all there is about imports. Once again, your post makes no sense.
And to comment on you $400 to go fast statement. Someone made a post for you to make a list of parts to equal $400 to get your car into the 13's. You have yet to do that. To make a car go from low 15's/ high 14's to the 13 second range for $400 or less is rediculous if not impossible. Exhaust alone runs you $300 or more. Once again, you are an idiot.
And out of your mod list, gaurentee the PO added 97% of it and you take credit for it.
And to comment on you $400 to go fast statement. Someone made a post for you to make a list of parts to equal $400 to get your car into the 13's. You have yet to do that. To make a car go from low 15's/ high 14's to the 13 second range for $400 or less is rediculous if not impossible. Exhaust alone runs you $300 or more. Once again, you are an idiot.
And out of your mod list, gaurentee the PO added 97% of it and you take credit for it.
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You think the P/O did the work? Have you ever rebuilt an engine on your own? or pulled an engine in your momma's driveway? I doubt it. I was a Ford 5.0 Efi guy before i got my thirdgen and since i discovered Chevy, i never looked back. Built much better/stronger, more power from the motor.
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Tell you what, your little friends with their Honda power or foreign race cars have never come up against a well running thirdgen or even a healthy stock 5.0 mustang, I guarentee it! You need to stop listening to them. When it really comes down to it on the street, i just have never gotten beat by a little Honda.Turbo or nitrous even.they still lose and that is the bottom line. I'm sure there may be one out there that could beat me,but i never came across one. The only time i almost lost was up against a subaru wrx. It put up a hell of a fight for a little car.
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Hey bud,don't worry about how i decide to post. What have you got a mere 785 posts on this website?
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