Geez,you still ride a skateboard? How old are u 12? No wonder

 

Guess that makes 2 of us idiots. because I have a 90 tsi with mods and a 92 camaro with mods. why on gods earth would I mod an already stock 195hp POS 4banger. I guess since my tsi rear end doesnt squat when I drop the clutch from 5k rpm launch. It must be slow.

:shrug:

Im gonna go out on a limb here and prob. make an ASSumption. (*** outa myself if wrong) that this is ninetyone 1st FAST car. Prob. had a few SLOW I4 / V6 cars before his v8 3rdgen.

 

You said it buddy not me. Glad you figured yourself out

 

So skateboarding makes me a 12 year old now too? I'm learning so much today.

FSTFBDY we should sell our POS's and buy something really worth moding since we both don't have a rear end that dips when we launch. After all these years I was wondering how I still beat people off the line. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the AWD traction. I'm going to try and add remove my rear suspension and see what happens.

 

Uhh...

So, because a C&D article mentions that the rear suspension squats on accel, just like any other car, that means it's a feature to make the car feel faster? Really? Is that what you're saying?

Your story has changed, it started off, by the feeling of the suspension bottoming out, to squatting, to make the car feel faster.

I don't think you really were "Z enthusiast", at most you stood by one, like you owned it.

 

I may also be 12... At least in spirit, I keep thinking about pulling out my old board and going for a skate.

 

What does a dipping rear suspension have to do with speed? No one ever stated that. Read it again. I said the car flew and it ran a 15.6 1/4 mile (very respectable for the time). How old were you in the early 90's? Were u even driving? LOL

 

Id gladly show you what a FAST 4banger can do if your and your iroc were local. Then when you bitch my talon is running 18lbs of boost . Id pull your line of thinking and say lets do it again with my vert camaro again a BOOSTED , STROKED v8 So you cant bitch about it being an import.

Here I'll make this EASY for you. I'll bet I or anyone else in this post will come out on top.

FIND me a handfull of SUB 12 second SUPER or TURBOCHARGES 305 cars. Since thats what you want to want to toss in everyones face.

Vs Sub 12 second Super or TURBOCHARGED I4 or V6 cars.

www.youtube.com is your friend.

I WILL POST UP a 9second 305 camaro for fun. This isnt your typical 4k budget build like you said. I posted this back in 2005
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/post...958-post6.html
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as your your PM. get a clue man. If I didnt like 3rdgens I would have a convertible SUPERCHARGED 383 camaro. I wouldnt have had a Single turbo 355.

You say you have owned Turbo V6s, 5.0's etc.. Well you sure are talking BS in this post about how a bolt on 3rdgen is WHIPPING up on stuff that is REAL LIFE PROVEN FASTER. From the sounds of it just because your turbo v6 or imports wernt FAST doesnt mean they are all a POS.

Ive had faster imports then some of my Fbodys. Ive had alot of faster Fbody , G bodys , Y bodys then imports. "THERE IS ALWAYS SOMEONE FASTER" no matter the make , model, etc.. Don't get your panties in a wad. Its a good debate NOBODY will win on the internet. Take it to the track and let the times do the talking.

 

No matter the amount of money you spend on a car there will always be someone faster. Sure everyone builds cars to beat this guy or that guy. IMO you should build something to the way you want it. If all you want is a 300HP I4 as a DD, so be it. Why rain on somebodys parade because they wish to be different?? So much of this is on every forum and it makes me want to meet the guys doing the bashing to see what they truely drive.

Internet fights are always amusing because thats just it, its done over the INTERNET!

 

100 bucks on my turbocharged v6 vs the supercharged 305
factory block heads crank rods intake and stock replacement pistons the cam is aftermarket though

 

hahah, I'll back you up on that $100 and double down. !! Im always watching your works on the v6 stuff. Great work man. Like your projects.

 

thanks man , lol u will love my destroked 3.4 build, unfortunately i sold the firebird i was putting the motor into. once i finish up my twin turbo iroc, im going to buy either another 3rdgen v6 camaro or an s10 pickup truck to drop the 3.0 into

 

I vote a 95 short bed step side. lowered S10. Think black Xtream

 

All this import talk makes me laugh, I was driving home this afternoon and just driving normally down the middle of a stretch that is usually covered with police presence. I am coasting around in my quad cab Ram and lightly pedaling it, part-throttle shifts are set at 2,200 rpm, so its 2,200, upshift, 2,200 upshift and with 4.56s they are stacked very close, 4th gear by 35 mph kind of stacked. Well a kid in his 97ish Honda Civic is just wailing on his car fart can sending out its annoying cop calling resonance. Well he does this fly by and runs up, does this about 3 times through the traffic lights on the way to the highway. The service road has two lanes side by side about 1/8 mile mile before they run togather and you hit the onramp. Well lets just say Honda kid spins his tires a little driving like a jackass around the corner. I came to a complete stop. I made my right turn and from a 20 punch, hammered it. At the entrance of the ramp, I was already a solid 8-10 car lengths in front of that no running SOB.

 

i disagree with you on your point. yes they were not 11 second cars but it was the 60's and 70's import cars take way more money to make fast compared to a muscle car

 

As Six Shooter has said, imports are given chssis designations, FD, EK, R, Z, list goes on, just to group a generation, like we are the 3rd generation of Fbodies. I had an 86 300ZX and it didn't bottom out when I slammed the accellerator, not untill they went bad just before I sold it.

 

And there ya go....that pretty much sums up this whole thread.

 

No way your TURBO V6 runs 10's like your sig says. you must be PUMPING A LOT OF BOOST thru it. /sarcasm off....

 

well if your gonna spend big bucks on a turbo, why cant he spend big bucks on a SC?

everything hes said has been related, i have a freind who had a 300zx and you know what it bottomed out when he mashed the gas, i say maybe it was, wasn't designed that way, or it could just be cheap *** japanese parts

yess, and you appear to have a fast one in forza 3 form your pics

no, you haven't learned anything, you've made generalized assupmtions based on a few somewhat biased opinions, and lets face it, this is AMERICA we will never love foreign cars more than domestics

maybe hes a 4'9" tony hawk?

you just quoted fast & furious and your gonna call his credibility into question?

well said "always someone faster" that someone usually has a bigger engine, not a smaller one with more "gizmos, and i use that term to say NOS, turbos, and that such of things"

i know, i wish that this site tgo was more of a local car club with its idk how man y members and that we met somewhere you had to drive to so that noone could claim to have something they dont

yeah but your car isn't rice, pretty sure it was all made in the usa (maybe the turbo and some components weren't idk) and honestly someone with that much money in a v8 car would probably win, thats the only argument i was making, that "pound for pound" "dollar for dollar" more cubic inches is better then more boost

 

Thank you Sherlock. Bigger motor will always win over one with less displacement. Granted you put some "gizmos" on a smaller one, it can be faster than the bigger one. Your statement is irrelavant.

 

kmcn47, your sig is a quote from duke nukem. Quite possibly the worst video game ever made for PS3/xbox 360. You should not be making fun of people. You also own a 305 camaro and 2 V6 cars....None of which are remotely fast, no offense. Yet you come on talking about how imports are all junk and take way more money to make fast?? Put a few thousand into that 305 car of yours. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Give me a little honda with the same cash and I will destroy that V8 every time.


And ninetyone, keep spewing the BS from your mouth and you may drown in it. Every thread you make a presence in is just full of absolute crap with no experience to back it up. You also come on thinking your car is the king of the street but 13's are not fast. They became not fast about 10 years ago when cars started coming from the factory running 13's. Now most performance cars can run 12's stock, and for a street car, you need to run 11's to be respectable.

I'll put an N/A K20 engine in my light little 1990 honda civic and run 13's all day...and that is with NO boost. You know what that enigne costs? About $1200...thats it...thats all it takes to make a honda run 13's. And you better believe I'll still get 30 mpg. Thats called efficiency. To everyone saying it takes way more to make a jap car fast, get some experience before you go making yourself look stupid in front of thousands of people on the internet.

 

Who ever said anything about loving foreign cars more than domestics?? No one.

Who are these clowns commenting such rediculous bull ****

 

 

for those that think four cylinders are all slow an a joke check out this link :
http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...x+racing+&aq=f

 

u mad bro? cuz i argued against you? fyi duke nukem has been the protagonist of over a dozen video games on multiple platforms do your ****ing homework, the qoute is really from rowdy roddy piper and not duke nukem, once again a little research would have done you alot of good on that (you seem to love to ell others to do there homework, and who are you to pick on my cars, the one shown in your sig is just a rolling shell of a firebird, oh well thats all real nice, you know for 1200 i can get an ls1 from a yard and destroy that time with a little weight shedding of course (which is free) dont pick on ninetyone either, cuz neither one of you has proved a damn thing yet, and i'm gonna guess your both sitting at home now saying "hahaha were so cool" also your taking this thread wayyyyy too seriously, it is after all a "hypothetical" thread

yess you have for once understood something someone said clearly

no but a few people (mostly six_shooter) are showing sooo much love and adoration to a small crappy japanese "sports car" which was, and wont ever be as fast as its American counterparts, and really, gonna call me out with you 160 posts? i havent even seen you on this board until tonight

 

if i'm not mistaken (i'm not) thats an srt4 an AMERICAN car, i came on here bashing ricers, you know douches with stock 4 bangers thinking they have the star car of fast & furious 9 :noone cares now, not someone who race builds a 4 cylinder at great cost only to be less reliable and also less powerful than an equally invested in v8

 

Seems like it.

I don't know man. You do tend to knock on the 4 cylinders too much. Last Friday on the 16th I met up with a local car club that had at least a half dozen Civics, one Mustang, an '03 GT, and then a bunch of other people were there also, just visiting, like me. An LS6 CTS-V, LS2 6.0 swapped Nissan 240SX, 03-04 Cobra, SR20 240SX, etc.

I ran one hatch, trashed it. Left it hundreds of feet behind me. Then I went up against something tougher. Built high compression B series hatch, intake, headers, full exhaust, gutted, tuned. And keep in mind this is 7 months after we ran the Mustang up against your Firebird.

Since then: Fidanza flywheel, Centerforce DFX, built 26 spline T56, 03-04 Cobra driveshaft, new tires at all four corners, new tunes from Bama, plus I didn't have a 200 pound passenger with me, and it was a cold night with good air, and this N/A built B series hatch didn't lose to me by much. If it couldn't beat your Bird, it would have been dead even.

Back when we ran and I was winning by a few lengths, I had an almost full tank of gas, 200 pound passenger, nearly destroyed stock TR-3650 5 speed, clutch that was worn down to the rivets, old tires tires that were starting to dry rot.

That's almost offensive, since in the early 90s I was just being born, yet I'm a pretty darn good driver today. I do sort of agree though. The whole reason why Mustang and Camaro is all you hear out of the typical import owner, is because that's their standard for a decently quick street car, that's their goal when modifying their 4 bangers, to beat us at our own game. Going fast in a straight line.

Usually mod for mod, the V8 will come out on top, but the 305 just isn't the best platform. 305 mod for mod would be trashed by a little 2.0 Evo or 2.5 STI, even an S2000 with a bolt on turbo kit. They've been known to handle over 500 RWHP with 100% stock longblocks. Then again, they have a couple more decades of technology on their side.

 

Now your bashing me for not having a lot of posts to "call you out"? Are you listening to yourself?? Since when do posts have anything to do with commenting on what someone said? Sorry I dont spend every hour of the day on a forum. If jap cars are so crappy, why do they make up majority of the cars on the road today?? Obviously not a whole lot of people are going to fully back imports on this site because, ITS A CAMARO FORUM. If I wanted to involve myself in a pro-import thread, I'd go join a import forum.

That said, whole reason for commenting on this in the first place was to prove a point that an import, built correctly, can still keep up with a built up domestic. Sure you can blame your lose on the other car having this or that, but in the end, you still lost. Go ahead and bash the import community because of the majority out there with 8 foot wings and body kits. If you look towards the smaller percentage who build the cars for power rather than looks your view might change. Doesnt hurt to broaden your view on other things rather than hopping on a band wagon.

That said....I'm done with this clown

 

japanese cars make up much of the road population today because they are generally cheaper and get better mileage than the more expensive more powerful american counterparts, and sorry for bashing you but this was a debate and as i learned in college, you use all the information given in a debate to win it (duh) like when whitedevilt/a used "logical fallacies" or: a statement not exactly pertaining to the subject matter but somewhat true albeit uneccesary and in his case incorrect by bashing my qoute of rowdy roddy, that he thought was duke nukem because hes a tard it was nothing personal, and theres no doubt in my mind that you can build a small engine to be fast, but its at a cost, like well a v8 versus a 4banger that 4cylinder would have to run almost double the rpms to run with a v8 as it has half as many cylinders, in this regard, i feel it would wear much faster and also much easier, and when your talking about a strictly race car which if its that heavily modified it probably would be, it would last about how many runs down the strip, and then you go into boost and things like nitrous which can be pretty damaging to an engine, all i was really claiming is that you can do a quick easy cheap v8 swap and save a hell of alot of trouble/money, now when you guys attacked my camaro that i got today that was a little below the belt, i'm not buying it for performance, but more for reliability, when was the last time you heard of a blown up 305? (rhetorical question) exactly almost never this car is my new dd not a race car i trailer queen to the dragstrip to go fast in a straight line and feel more like a man because my car has enormous tires anyways as i've said about 3-4 times buy now, i was picking on the imports of the "rice" variety you know what i mean, the rusted tohell 88 accord that "johnny" rattle canned lime green and neon blue because it makes it a street racer then, he also made a coffee can exhaust to sound really tough (like complete ****ing ****) and he adds his 8ft back wing for downforce on hif fwd car, which isn't much good no matter what because its a dogged out 4banger with skinny *** "doughnuts" for tires cuz he has plastic racing hubcaps on his car, my college and high school were FILLED with these shitboxes, and i blew away every last one of them with my 2.8 firebird which i'll admit i only ever really beat on and stripped out (ended up selling it to a kid from my old high school call that irony) and even still they had excuses "oh man i blew the bearing in my turbo" me: "uhh that car doesn't have a turbo" ....."i missed a shift" me: "in your automatic?" thats what i'm saying, i cannot stand the lack of intelligence and shear incompetence that is plaguing the youth of today because they saw a lets be honest pretty ****, fake as hell streetrace movie ten ****ing years ago end rant

 

I doubt it, there's more to an LSX swap than the engine, that's just the start! Sure whitedevilTA's car is a shell in that pic, have you seen his thread though? Not a car I would be talking down to, plus that's what happens when you rebuild a car, you have to take stuff OUT! Now get off your soapbox and get started on that LSX swap because that's just another way for you to make an @ss of yourself

 

Why don't we ever see fast imports on the street? Same reason most of us guys with a ton of cash wrapped up in our cars don't, there are too many stupid people driving now. Who would want to take the risk of losing all that hard work because some idiot wasn't paying attention. Can you really replace a nice 96 Supra? No not really, same with a Turbo Trans Am, some things can't be replaced.

 

Lol, this stuff is funny. Bragging about how supposedly cheap an LS1 swap would be, when he's driving something with with a V8 that doesn't even make 200 horsepower.

Yeah, them four bangers are so unreliable because they rev high. Not even taking it consideration the smaller strokes which equates to less piston travel per stroke, and the overall lighter valvetrain that makes them higher RPMs fit them fine.

Since I'm sick of seeing your BS, kmcn47, let's give you a math lesson. For an example, I'll use an AP1 Honda S2000, a high revving N/A F20C 2.0 4 cylinder, just to be extra fair. Bore and stroke = 3.4" X 3.3". Now let's use a really typical engine in the SBC world, the 383 stroker. Not even much more stroke than stock, 3.48 to 3.75. Makes for a good old big V8, right?

F20C 4 banger at 9,000 RPM redline = 4,950 FPM of piston travel.

383 stroker at a moderate 6.5K RPM = 4,062.5 FPM of piston travel.

Do you really think the engineers at Honda, Toyota, Mitsubishi, Subaru, etc, don't know what they're doing? Short strokes of these 4 bangers can make them rev thousands of RPM more than the typical American V8, while BARELY moving the piston any faster.

Let's see the travel on a 3.75 inch stroke 383 if you built it to be a max effort N/A strip engine and revved it to 9,000 RPM.

5,625 FPM of piston travel speed compared to only 4,950 of the 9K RPM 4 banger! Look who in theory, is actually moving their pistons quicker. Even a stock 3.48 inch stroke 350 at 9K RPM would still have a higher piston travel speed, at 5,220 FPM. Not only would it be slinging twice as many slugs around, twice as many rods, a way heavier crankshaft, but the piston would be traveling more FPM compared to the 4 banger.

Now kindly, STFU on the subject since you just have no idea, and I don't even really like 4 cylinders that much.

 

i thought you was bashing all 4 cylinders with turbos my bad . an yes those are srt4 from dodge which were amazingly built cars . i had one with very little effort hit the 400 hp mark .

 

when it comes to the v6 vs v8 f-body and turbos using stock engine compenents the v6 is actually cheaper to build by a long shot. and ive turbocharged both the v6 and the v8 the v8 is roughly double the cost just to get the base turbo system up and running .

now take the same money spent on the v6 are do something liek heads/cam or nitrous on the v8 car iand u would prolly see better gains

id have no problems putting my v6 car up against a comparable turbo l98
comparable turbo l98 car would run low low 12's just like my v6 car thgough im sure with a lil more tunning i could crack 11's @ 10 psi

 

Then his was also worn out. Do you really think a car company from anywhere would design a suspension to bottom out under any sort of normal conditions, including hard acceleration?

Yes, I do. That's close to how I want my car to look in the end, and it will be replaced with a picture of my 240Z when it's done, if not before. That's just the picture I have as my avatar at this point in time.



Well, at least someone got the reference....
I'll let you figure out what I was inferring there.
Besides it's not an exact quote.


You have a lot to learn about not only boost, but combustion chamber and head design, that will pull more power per unit of fuel/air than old lesser designs. The only thing that "more is better" when it comes to making power with, in most cases is valves per cylinder. Even then, sometimes the engine with less valves per cylinder, might make more power, because the package was built better. You just simply can't make blanket statements of "More of X or Y" is better, in the real world, it just doesn't work that way.

 

Dear Lord, please do not let me suffer for an another second while-st I read this FAIL thread!!! AMEN!!!

 

If you've read my posts, you would have found out that I've been raised around domestics, and still own one myself. I also drive around in a couple domestics that are modified in various forms, that belong to my Grandfather or boss (My boss has a lot of cars).

About that post count, your 380 or so is far less than my 2300, (not including another account I had on here before this one, that had over 500), so what does post count mean? Nothing, absolutely nothing. This is just another thing that people seem to think that because more is better that someone with a higher post count is better, smarter, faster, etc. It just means that someone is either a post *****, or has been on the site for a long time.

I drove domestic for many years, I have owned around 10 cars, that I've actually driven, more if you include parts cars. Only 2 were/are imports. I sling the wrenches less on the imports, at least from need than I have on my domestics. My imports also were, or are older than the domestics I have owned. I like my imports, because I'm not blinding myself thinking that domestics are the greatest thing since the wheel, they are not. Most are over weight, under powered, poorly constructed pieces that are loosely referred to
as "vehicles."

The only domestics I would consider owning, are "icon" cars, because of their status, and not their actual performance. Cars, like the Buick Grand National (a very quick car in it's time), '64.5 to '66 Mustang (I actually bought one of these for my girlfriend recently), '63 hard top Corvette, early '60s Impala with a 409, and a few other select domestics.

At this point I plan on installing a domestic engine in my 240Z, since I already have it on my stand (No it won't be a V8 of any sort), but the more research I do, the final engine plan might go back to an import engine, due to availability of parts, reliability and technological advancements that have been put into what ever engine I decide on in the end. If I had my way, I'd put a Viper engine in my 240, but then I would likely not be able to insure it around here (Insurance companies are Eff'd up here), and that's another reason for choosing somethings I do.

In the end, I don't need to compensate with a bigger car/engine to feel better about myself.

 

Ok, FSTFBDY. Another member and I ShadowZ on here live close to each other and we raced our cars last winter. He has an 01' Ford Mustang GT with 373s exhaust and a tune against my bolt on L98 car. He did get me by a couple car spaces after about 80 or so. There was a Pontiac GTP supercharged who saw us going at it and decided to join in. Needless to say I wouldn't let him.LOL I left that supercharged v6 in the rear view mirror. I even slowed down and let him pull closer then hit it again. I ended up doing about 120 with him struggling to keep up and the guy was pissed. This is like the third occasion I have smoked one of those cars. The first two times was a supercharged regal. OK, probably stock , but still. Also, an Infinity G37 is not a fast car , and I have beaten those on several occasions. So, maybe you should re-inspect your SBC builds that you claim you are so famous for? Ever learn how to tune your cars computer? For the record also, a supercharged 305 making low boost at 4lbs CAN and DID beat a TTA. Now, the TTA may have been stock but it just goes to show. THink about it , you are adding boost to a N/A car. It is totally different than adding boost to a low compression block. 18lb of boost talon? Seems like a lot. That and those cars with such a small engine cannot handle boost like that for very long. If you truly understood turbocharging you would know that. Look at how many Honda turbos are still on the road. They do not last.LOL They are not built strong enough to handle it. Also, people on here really stick up for the imports a lot. Sure they can be modified and be great cars too, but aren't we all here to learn how to keep them in there place?

 

Did I hit a soft spot or something? Because you seem awfully mad now. You really need to stop because your making yourself look like a complete ***. Those of us that have import and domestic experience know that ANY jap engine can be built to take abuse just as well as any V8. Did you know that the stock honda B series engine block can take 1300 or so HP? Probably not. And this is a peanut engine. Obviously the internals need to be changed but the block itself is nearly indestructible. Now take the mustang 5.0 engine (fox body) and the stock blocks blow at 500 HP. Now in your logic, anything bigger should last longer, but you are obviously way too far off to realize that that has nothing to do with it. It's all in the engine design, internal component strength, balance, etc.

You obviously have a little chip on your shoulder from your school days with all the big bad honda kids picking on your 2.8 firebird. And I'm going to be honest, I highly doubt your car smoked every kid that had a jap car in your school. The 2.8 birds were the slowest ones ever made besides the iron duke cars. My brother raced a freind with a crap 1.5 vtec swap in his 94 honda civic. The engine made 128 HP...probably the weakest vtec engine you could get, and it was dead even with my brothers old 3.1 5 speed camaro.

And yes, you got me, my car is a non running shell so how can I talk? Well for those 4 or so years you were going to college, and apparently not picking up any car knowledge, I was wrenching and building cars....and it started long before that even. Be it jap or american, I worked on everything. Every freind I have is a car guy and I have picked up a plethora of car knowledge just BSing with them and learning thier setups. I've ridden and raced in nissan 370Z's, a 2JZ swapped nissan 240, built EVO's and STI's, and plenty of domestics including a supercharged viper GTS. Most of the jap cars would make a lot of domestics look silly in a race, and they are as reliable as can be. The nissan 240 makes 480 RWHP and weighs about 2700 lbs. Do the math, that car would annihalate most on this forum. He trapped 125 mph in the 1/4 not even at full boost. Your argument is filled with nonsense and no facts. I hope that debate class taught you how to redeem yourself after getting schooled in one...

 

LMAO....Hardly true. Let's make a fair comparison using an 89 Turbo TA (ya know, the turbo V6 one AND made in the USA) against an 89 GTA L98 350. Assume both are dead stock and both owners wanted to run, say, mid 11s. I can GUARANTEE you the turbo TA will do it for less than $2000 and not even remove a valve cover. And do it reliably and still get decent MPG and pass emissions. Sorry but putting 2K into the 350 GTA will get you heads and cam. Or maybe a used blower kit. But you'll be lucky to break into the 12s. Maybe a sh!tload of nitrous but you'll probably melt your motor trying to do it.

And then to go from 11s into the 10s isn't as easy as you think. It's not just "turning up the boost", V6 or V8 it doesn't matter. You have to think of the rest of your drivetrain and suspension to make it all work. And then cost becomes a moot issue at that point. You really have no clue what it takes to run those numbers. I see this all the time at my local track.

I will agree after a certain point it would be better to run a turbo V8 in terms of cost if you intend to race competitively in an 8 sec quarter mile class or faster. But for your 11 sec daily driver street car I'll go with the turbo V6.

 

[drove domestic for many years, I have owned around 10 cars, that I've actually driven, more if you include parts cars. Only 2 were/are imports. I sling the wrenches less on the imports, at least from need than I have on my domestics. My imports also were, or are older than the domestics I have owned. I like my imports, because I'm not blinding myself thinking that domestics are the greatest thing since the wheel, they are not. Most are over weight, under powered, poorly constructed pieces that are loosely referred to
as "vehicles."]

THOSE ARE YOU WORDS SIXSHOOTER?
Then what the hell are you doing on a Thirdgen site. Overweight vehicles? FYI , the average Thirdgen weighs in at 3400lbs. Underpowered? Most of our cars keep up and or beat the muscle cars of the 60's. You sling the wrenches less on an import? Are you saying an import doesn't have problems? All cars need maintence. Keep throwing boost at a 4cyl and see how long it takes before you need a rebuild or it doesn't run anymore. THose things are good for a couple of races and then they go downhill. Plus they sound like absolute ****! LOL

 

all i can say is WOW you truly are uneducated on stock BOOSTED cars. 18psi a lot for a dsm , supra, etc.. Im consider running low boost on those modded cars. Go youtube HX40 and DSMs or 2jzgte cars. my 300ish HP out of a talon is weak compared to what the hardcore dsm and supra guys run. daily drivers just like use v8 guys build. Go troll on a supra or dsm board and you will be shocked what these STOCK lower ends car do with mild boost.

As for tuning my boosted V8 cars. Been there done that , still do. Ive done Lt1 pcm , FAST ECU, BS3 , holly 950commander , 59 code now. with moates autoprom ad tuner pro RT. About to make a harness and check out mega squirt also.

Im done arguing with you because you truly have no clue what can be accomplished with small displacement boosted motors if done RIGHT. Your 305 supercharged antics just dont hold water. now if you were to have stated a Boosted LS1 thats a total different ball park. ls1 has the bottom end to a beating. been proven to hold upto and under 1000 hp with upgraded arp rob bolts, etc. on stock crank , etc. just as the supra and dsm bottom ends to about the same power #'s. (with the supporting fuel and tuning mods done RIGHT)

 

THat is because a 4 cyl needs 18lbs of boost. A v8 would not require that much boost to still beat it. A boosted v8 can get by on 4lbs. and beat that Talon with 18lbs. Also, a foreign car like a Talon would break a lot faster than a v8 would with boost being thrown at it. The foreign cars are not built to handle speed. They are not like "American Iron". They never have been. They are economy cars. LOL. With the exception of the Supras and Skylines which ARE built better than your average Honda Civic or Eagle Talon (Mitsubishi).

 

Also a DSM is a cheap car. So don't even compare it up there with a Skyline or Supra.

 

FSTBDY, you are saying I don't know anything about boost? Do you know the whole idea is to run as lean as possible with boost? Yes , Lean is Mean! The idea is to run on the tip of detonation while also running at the tip of being lean. That is where you make the most power. You want as much timing as possible. It is often a trade off, Timing or boost. That is how it works. You want to run lean. That goes for N/A too. A tune does help too. You don't need to spend tons of cash to do so either. That is the whole idea. Then you run into traction problems with boosted cars. Traction issues usually have to be addressed when one gets into stage 3 or 4 turbo.

 

Dude, please stop. My eyes are bleeding reading your posts. It's actually painful to see how un-educated you are on the import scene. How in the hell would a V8 that was BUILT to be N/A be able to take more abuse with a turbo than say an eagle talon that came with an engine BUILT for boost from the factory? Do you really think you are smarter than the design team at eagle/mitsubishi? Those 4G63 motors would put your 350 TPI to shame, and keep coming back for more. They do not last only a few races...in fact they would probably last forever if built and tuned correctly. Your ignorance cannot be fathomed. You are absolutely wrong in this argument but apparently you just can't accept the truth.

 

Show me a v8 with only 4psi. (again YOUR ERA CARS your talking about 90's) not a LS1 on 4psi etc. that will beat a talon , or supra , etc on 18pis. NOT gonna happen man. I'll put $$ on that race your totally wrong.

Boost for Boost. V8 on 18psi vs I4 or I6 on 18 psi. Im all for the v8. it will kill the little displacement motor. Your ILLogi is sayng a 305 supercharged with 4psi will beat a tta , talon , etc.. My talon with a Holset hx40 will run 11's . and gets 26mph if I keep my foot out of it.

The eage :diamond star motors: with a mitsu motor if you want get picky. So a 50/50 car. half domestic half import. The 4g63T engine is just as strong as the 2jz supra engine. I had your same mentality untill I actually BUILT a few 4 and 6 bangers. "the RIGHT" way not the way some "RICERS" do today. Ive been building cars since the early 90's Im 99.999% die hard chevy and ford guy. I love my camaro, mustang and vettes Ive built, tuned,have , etc... I actually bought this dsm and built it to **** people like you off who say NO WAY it can be fast its a 4banger. most are like holly sh(*T when they go for a ride and realize its damm quick.

Your last sentence sums it up. Your AVERAGE built , honda or civic. YOU ARE CORRECT. deff. dont put the Talor or eclipse in that ball park. if you go over to http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/ you will find anything from the typical 300-400 HP talon like mine to guys pushing 600+ on daily drivers just like you will find 400-600+ hp LS-X swap guys here.

 

Wow, your talking to me about tuning? Ive been tuning since the 90's well before flash ecu/pcms buddy. I was one of the 1st people using craigs 855ecu DOS program for datalogging and burning old chips. I have a few TUNING tools. efi live , hptunners , tuner pro rt , etc.. I have a few hours on the dyno tuning, not just my car either. not just cars either. I dabble on jets and helos.

I learn something new every day but please stop trying to school me on something Im sure I know 90% more then you on. I don't claim to KNOW ALL. but I have been around the block a few times and have been wrenching on cars ,planes , trains, and everything inbetweek for aloong time.

 

ninetyone- PLEASE, just stop. You make baby jesus cry every time you think. Your post have to be the most imature and retarded ones ever posted on the internet. And I have read many of your post so I know how dumb you sound. Your like a 10 year old. You read something in a magazine and now you think you know everyting. I love how you talk about your 13 sec. car like its the fastest thing ever. How about you go pick on a Nissan GTR, or an EVO, or STI? See how that works out for you. You should do the world a favor and just wonder off into the woods and never return. And I don't enjoy attacking people on the internet, but I'll make this one accpetion for you.

 

YOU SIR ARE A MORON, there is no way in hell a 305 @ 4 psi is going to beat a tta that is in good running condition

atleast u didnt group the v6 in there lmao, for future refrence please rember boost numbers do not equal power, they equal restriction in the intake track