Right now it is since I'm rebuilding the Iroc. But once the Iroc is done, the talon till be built up just as well.

 

The reason I bought and kept my Thirdgen is because I want something cheap to work on, and modify, sleek styling, sound good, looks muscular, Can use any sbc block in if needed, get decent mileage and still blow the doors off a new Lexus sport coupe or Bmw. Plus not have a car payment to deal with. That is what i call value!

 

It beat Cobra Mustangs with supercharger too. You have no idea. I doubt those Mustangs run in the 11's stock.

 

Your right I dont have a $1300 + crank in my talon or $1200 into head work, or forged pistons , etc..(it came stock with a forged crank)

but guess what if I dropped as much $$ into my talon as I did my camaro I know the talon would still be as reliable and just as fast if not faster. Hell all it needs is arp head studs, 272 cams and turn the boost up more.(and tune for it) and could be close to 400 AWHP (already has fuel mods,etc..)

Older and wiser? please Im prob. old enough to be your dad. I agree for muscle I bought my camaro and built a engine capable of running 9's. and be a daily driver. not for mileage driver but still could drive it to work if wanted.

The talon was bought to mod, be fast and a v8 killer and still get my 26mpg every week I drive it to work. Ya see its only a gas hog when I put my right foot in it and always boosting 18-22psi.

Its ok to be narrow minded man. Not everyone gets there's a wold of performance out there besides chevy/ford/doge/etc..

On that note have a good night. Hopefully Im done with this post. Its full of fail and offtopic so much It should get locked so everyone quits bitching about it..lol

 

YOU BEAT or your BROTHERS supercharged car. because by looking at all your other posts on these forums YOUR car sure doesnt run 11's. You already said you run 13's somewhere in this thread.

 

The 11.90 sec car was my brother's ,he used to be on here years ago ,his name on here was theformula. His car was a 91 1Le optioned Formula. 5spd with 342's . Headers ,slp, almost every bolt on and then a paxton sc'er. Car hauled like you would not believe. Yes, my car is a 91' 350 tpi running in the 13's.

 

Like a rock huh? No wonder why they sank so fast!

 

LOL.

I've seen plenty of blown up Chevy engines over the years...

 

So back to the argument of v8 vs 4cyl dollar to dollar ,which one yeilds the best bang for the buck? Well, i will tell ya, i haven't put even $400 into my 350 tpi to run in the 13's. How's that for you? It all boils down to the right combination of parts and it pays to do your homework. Isn't the idea to modify on a budget? Why spend if you can do it cheaper.

 

Gee thats funny, didn't GM use the 350 tpi in it's Corvette? I doubt they would use an unreliable motor. How about the Police using 350 TBI engines in the Caprice for years and years and how about taxis. How about all of Chevy trucks .Any motor used in a Us service/fleet vehicle is more than likely pretty tough! The motors are reliable as hell.

 

HAHAHAHA, if that's what you want to believe...

 

3400lbs is very light. You are used to little foreign cars it looks like. Muscle car guys know 3400 lbs is pretty damn light. Your Datsun is light cause it is not very fast stock. Also it comes with a 3.90 gear cause it is a slower vehicle. The turbo zx models came with 3.45's. It is an r200 rear, same one used in the old datsun 810's. What does your Fairlady run without a turbo?

 

So............. Who thinks you can put less than $400 into a Honda or Dsm and run 13's? Come on, dollar per dollar? Let's hear it WhitedevilTA.

 

The ultimate moral of this threadthat somehow came back from the dead is that everyone has their own car and theywant it to beat on the oppoing category, dsm or domestic it doesnt matter. Dollar for dollar isnt really a good argument, people dont care. In the realworld everybodys finances are different and they put differentmoney into their stuff. I have respect for true imports,(rwd and boosted) that is my take on an import. If I could get my hands on another fc tII I would. Id keep my thirdgen regardless I spend a good amoumt of money on my car and I do it because I enjoy it. People read too far into the competitive factor of the car. These are the same people racing from light to light I hate absolutely HATE when some "ek" or "eg" or e whatever the hell you wanna call it feels the need to blow by me to prove....nothing its cute at best granted there are some civics here that have eaten me alive at the track but they have so much money and time in them that I can respect that. On the flip side to that when I had my tII while the camaro was down I have had plenty of v6 birds and camaros try to race me but for one...its a v6...treat it as such, two there is a replacemwnt for displacement its calles boost and a tune.

Im indifferent to the jdm domestic bs. A car is a car, its fast or its not. You can have a pissing match all day over recalls, design flaws etc but if you like it who really cares?

 

hey man you said look up the engine those are the period cars you could get it in, those cars all ran from 83-87, 89, 91 those are era cars which is what were arguing, and no sorry i didn't mention the 270 hp wrc galant because thats not a road legal emissions passing car, cuz what goods a car if its illegal to drive?

[quote=stealthroc89;5049704]ik what you mean, about both points i have ridden in a FAST rx7 however this thread is more about hondas as the title says "why do honda import ppl think there car is fast" not why does someone drive a quick rx7, more or less "why do people with small japanese family sedans beleive they have something they do not" (something fast) and also i too hate when "ricers" rev up at me, when i had the six its not like i could rev back it would just sound as bad as them, but now that i have a v8 with a flowmaster, i kick it in neutral and rev back, then they drive away sad

see ricers are what i hate and have been talking **** against, the people not the cars they drive,its unfortunate for the people with imports that they happen to drive moreof them as there cheap as hell, anyways the people they deserve to be shot, i can gauruntee that car has no performance mods but because its a douche driving hes gonna claim hes beat every car under the sun in that pos, no offense its still a camaaro but damn it'll take awhile to make it look good again

agreed

i dont get it either, and i wasn't making a year for year matchup cuz i knew i'd win it, he told me find the engine i found it in the cars it came in in that era, i just happened to list the same year as my cars performance numbers which dont change substantially until around 2003

again it would be a newer supra then the era were talking about (82-92)

if it has bolt ons its not stock

true

also true, theres tons of em, there'd probably be more if alot of gearheads had cheap japanese cameras like the cheap japanese cars they blow away

thats a good point

exactly neither one can do it stock, but its easier to do it with a v8 for sure

loved it man

well if he puts some stickers on the car and paints it a bright color he'll gain .......220 hp for sure

again, true

what are APLES? ......also uhh the 03 car right, the one thats newer and also is AMERICAN this thread debate was american cars against ricers, tuners, imports right?

 

Hmmm. looks like a DSM does the 1/4 in about 14.5 seconds on average. About like your average thirdgen. Ok, for $400,what can you do to the Dsm to hit 13's safely? I think i would start with exhaust and then move to a CAI, downpipe, then a boost controller and bigger inj. along with a re-tune of the ecm. Looks like even with used parts that would cost a lot more than a few hundred bucks.LOL and how about a N/A Honda Civic or something? Looks like a 2012 Civic Si does the quarter in a best of 14.8 , how much to make that run 13's? forget it.

 

You really want to keep getting school'd don'tcha?

3400 lbs is not light, unless you're comparing to a fully loaded Suburban, or a road tractor... lol Again, if you would have read this thread and comprehended anything I wrote you'd see that only two of my cars have been imports. I played around with J-bodies for many years, that average around 2800 lbs, that I also consider very heavy for what they are.

My car did not come with an R200, nor was it 3.90 gears. It was an R180 and 3.54 gears. The S30 only came with the R180 up to '75 IIRC, when some, namely the manuals came with the R200.

The gear selection has nothing to do with how quick a car is, it has to do with matching gear ratios to the tranny for a balance between drivability, acceleration and economy.

Many of the turbo ZX S130s actually came with 3.90 gears, and the R200, since most were 5 speed, some automatic ZXTs came with the 3.54 gear.

So if my car was heavier it would be faster? Is that what you're saying? "Your car is light because it's not very fast stock" is your words.

My car in it's 37 year old trim, and worn out carbs, with skinny all season tires (Had a hard time getting traction off the line) ran in the 17s, what's your point? The turbocharging cost me less than $1500, and that includes the change to EFI, pretty good bang for the buck there.

 

its pretty logical and believable, find me an imported service industry car thats at work in an american city? bet ya cant find more than........2 at best

 

[quote=Six_Shooter;5050015]

So if my car was heavier it would be faster? Is that what you're saying? "Your car is light because it's not very fast stock" is your words. [endqoute]

i beleive what hes saying is that its so light that the stock engine doesn't need to produce a high amount of power (which it doesn't) so its not a very fast car

 

You wanna clarify that?

Are you asking about imported cars used as fleet vehicles?

 

[QUOTE=kmcn47;5050019]:facepalm:

It's light because that helps efficiency. Why start with something heavy that NEEDs more power to be just as quick, and still less efficient?

 

not necessarily that, there could be some honda taxi service somewhere i suppose but i doubt it they dont make cars big enough to do that

[quote=Six_Shooter;5050022]well because at the time (82-92) cars were made of STEEL not the cheaper thin steel that your z is made of but thicker stamped steel that is intended to hold up better to changing seasons and all that, but i have seen ALOT....i mean ALOTTTT!!! of rusted to hell Zs i know there are alot of rusted camaros and firebirds too, but not nearly as many

 

[QUOTE=Six_Shooter;5050022]Yeah so if they built a powerful motor and sold the car that way, they would have to ask more for it. You would end up paying a lot more for a "Datsun" Again, put a turbo on my 350 car and then put it up against a turboed Datsun. Your Datsun would lose. Bad

 

Is that a challenge?

Bring it on, I have nothing to lose.

I'll be at Toronto Motorsports Park this Friday, as long as the weather holds out.

 

Plus i would rather not wait 3-5 min before i can shut my car off cause the oil in the turbo needs to cool down. That is one of the inconvenience of owning a turbo car.

 

No inconvience at all, I almost never wait to shut down the car...

As long as I havn't flogged on it in the last mile or so, it's good to shut down. If you knew much about turbo cars you'd know that driving at low speed/low RPM is enough to let the oil and turbo cool down, but thanks for playing.

 

The motor makes 200 HP stock actually. Learn something new everyday, don't ya. It has headers, exhaust, intake, and a tune, and yes, it makes 235 WHP on the STOCK engine with bolt ons.

Don't turn this around now. You simply said that any V8 will go faster for less money than any 4 banger. Well I showed you a 4 banger that runs 11's N/A. Who cares if it's swapped...it's just a little 4 cylinder. You upset or something to see an all motor 4 cylinder run 11's....a full 2 seconds faster than your 350?

Now that is laughable. 400$ will by you a cheap exhaust and thats about it. How bout you make me a list of your mods and I'll be the judge if it's really $400.

I'm about to pay $400 to bribe the moderators into banning you in all honesty.

I didn't say it was stock. I clearly listed it had bolt ons on an otherwise stock motor. Are you implying that an intake, exhaust, and tune on an N/A 4 cylinder is going to make that huge of a difference? The car ran 11's on an N/A 4 cylinder that is mostly stock. Anybody that says thats not impressive is a die hard nut swinger.

 

You better start letting it cool then. If YOU knew about turbos ,you would care. Also, being turbo you need to change your oil every 2k now vs a N/A car's 3k interval. I also recommend you use sythetic.

 

Holy, it just gets worse with you...

I've owned turbos cars for many years now.

My Datsun has been together in it's current form for about 3 years now, I have the same shut down procedure everytime...

-Have I flogged on it in the last mile?
-No.
-Good to shut off.

Did the same with my Jimmy, and a few other cars, never had an issue.

They make some great oils, and I rarely change at less than 4000 Kms.

So once again, it shows your lack of turbocharger knowledge...

 

Whirdevil, you are so full of ****. The Supercharger added over 120 hp to the 230 hp lb9 305. 4psi pulley. His car made worse ET with the 8lb pulley.

 

No its not good to shut off. Your car needs to idle to cool down. What do you think they make turbo timers for?

 

For people that don't know how to cool down their turbo cars while driving, or use inferior oil.

Again, you keep showing your lack of knowledge with statements like this.

 

didn't say you said it was stock, only that if a motor has bolt ons its not stock, but if you didn't mean to say it was stock why'd you put the words "STOCK K20 MOTOR" in the post?

 

yeah ninetyone they make them for people like six_shooter who dont know how to cool down there turbos

 

My god you are pathetic. How in the hell does a car LOSE ET with twice the boost? And I am calling MAJOR BS on picking up 120 HP with 4 psi on a 305. Get a dyno, track slip, or some real proof other than all this crap coming out of your mouth.

 

Funny how my car doesn't have a turbo timer in it.

 

Again since you are so hardheaded. YOUR CAR NEEDS TO BE IDLING ,NOT DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD. Rpm's need to be at idle. 700 rpms or whatever car is supposed to be at. Don't try and school me on boost man. I was playing with boost before the fast and furious crowd came around and before foreign car's were being modded. The simple answer you got back then if you asked how you could soup up your Nissan or datsun or Supra was ,simply, you just can't. We found many ways around this. I knew one guy that used an extra fuel injector and drilled a hole into his airbox to squirt in alcohol stored in the windsheild washer resevoir. So tell me,Are you running the stock clutch in your Z? and how much boost are you running into that Datsun motor. I wanna hear this one. I know exactly what those motors can take.

 

I see a little E-bromance forming between you and ninetyone...

 

that was part of the joke, dont be such a sensitive dick

 

leave it to you to say something so ridiculously gay

 

If i recall ,it came down to a traction issue at the time.

 

Your right kmcn47, he 's the one that thought about it first. Hahaha

 

Well that makes sense....but I still don't buy that a 305 at 4 psi gained 120 HP. You are saying it gained 30HP per psi? On a 305 with stock heads, stock cam, stock TPI? No....possible....way.

 

i know i'm right, i wish he could admit for once that someone other than himself could be right but oh well not everyone gets it, i believe Charles Darwin said that with a different choice of words again. and whats wrong with agreeing with someone who clearly knows what there talking about? nothing

nvm he kind of agreed with you there

 

LOL, this is great...

If you had been playing with turbos for so long, you'd know more about them then you do. A turbo does not need to be at idle to cool down. Like I said I almost never let my car sit for more than a few seconds before shutting it off, as long as I haven't flogged on it in the last mile or so. Tell me, what's the oil temp difference between cruising at 1800 engine RPM, and idling for 2 minutes? None.
Ha, no not a stock, clutch, but it is the smaller clutch that "can't be run with a turbo engine." It's a Centerforce dual friction, only because I got a good deal on it.

Adding extra injectors or sources of fuel or alcohol injection was nothing new in the '90s. In fact some cars came stock with alcohol injection as far back as the '60s IIRC.

So far I've been upwards of 16 PSIG, and loves every minute of it.

I highly doubt you know exactly what an L-series can take, if the rest of your import/Z-car knowledge is any idication.

 

LOL this is great......i'll be saying that when it comes across the board here one day that you blew your engine up

 

If it hasn't blown up yet from the boost I'm running through it, it won't for a long time. Do some looking into what people are pushing through these engines, you'll be surprised. I'm running somewhat low boost, compared to many other people with the same engine.

 

I'm not admitting it because I know that you two are so far wrong that it's laughable. Here you are making fun of built boosted imports and saying this and that like you both invented the turbo. You both act like gods gift to the car world, yet you both have mostly stock third gens. One apparently runs 13's and the other one probably runs 16's. But yea you guys know it all right? LOL....let me ask this....have either of you EVER owned a car that ran quicker than 13's? Have you ever owned or built any type of jap car personally, not including ninetyone's POS datson that was probably on it's last leg which is why he never got it to run good? Or are you both just talking out of your *** and just think you know it all?

 

LOL!

I'm still waiting to hear if that was a challenge from ninetyone...

 

when did i ever say i knew anything about turbos? i mad a joke about six_shooters turbo admittedly just to **** him off

as for that and your someday blown engine, time will tell, as it always does