This makes no sense, why add a turbo to either car?

I'll never own a third gen either, I came too close to owning a couple, I'll let my slower friends own them.

Are you sure about that?

I don't believe they had IROCs in 1973.

*WARNING*
For those reading on, you IQ will drop reading ninetyone's responses.

 

I was wondering the same thing, I didn't think they made an '05 Camaro either. LOL

 

Where I live at, there is no such thing as a "tasteful import." To me imports are imports, cool whatever. But here the only figgin thing you ever see here are multicolored rustoleum hondas with loud *** fart cans and front whell drive cars with huge wings, which to me is the most pointless waste of money ever. Maybe if there was at least one that was respectable id feel differently about ricers, but all I see is morons.

 

Remember you are on a "Thirdgen" website. There was no Iroc in 1973. Read what i posted again. An Iroc OR a 1973 Camaro. Your z is in the 9.0-10.0 second range 0-60. Camaro z28's from that same era were in the low 7 second range 0-60. Don't worry with your turbo you added to your Datsun you should be around the same by now.

 

Thats what I am saying. It's rare you see a fast one. Most just make noise. They sure don't sound like a muscle car

 

Question here. Not necessarily meant to be rude, but why oh why on ThirdGen.Org, do we have a moderator who has never own a third gen? Kinda figured that'd be a requirement or something.

 

So ,how much of your Datsun is made of bondo? LOL Wasn't that the era of the foreign cars being know as tin cans? IIRC, a guy I knew in 1985 had a 1983 Datsun 280zx and was already doing body work out in his driveway. The older ones were worse.

 

He is here to stir up the pot i guess. He has nothing better to do or cant find the Datsun websites on his own. Talk about IQ problems.LOL

 

Well to me I don't mind the sound of a v8, but im biased. And I know most of those little punks like the way their car sounds too. But dang, everyone I ever see is straight out of the ***** handbook. Stupid loud, funky paint, NOS sticker... giant wings on fwd.... Ive heard one kid say "well if my honda had 18to pounds of boost it'd whoop your Trans Am" to a buddy of mine.(it was a 93 with T56, 3.73 rear, 1.7 rocker rollers? And CAI and shorty headers). And that attitude seems to be out of the rice handbook too. All cocky because in 15 years when they can afford it they'll come get you and stop just revving in parking lots.

 

They are posing really. It seems like it is all about looks. Even with a turbo, they still have a very hard time with the 350 thirdgens,Lt1's, Mustang gt, etc.

 

Yeah, and a Thirdgen with 18lbs of boost would put bus lengths on the boosted Honda. What Honda even came stock with a turbo? They didn't.

 

 

A 350 tpi third gen is not even close to the same league as a properly boosted honda. I have ridden in a few. They make an L98 car feel like it's standing still.

 

That may be true. But we all know the L98 could use some waking up. Im assuming you're talking about stock anyway. And personally I've always hated the boosted honda argument. I've never felt like its fair to compare a stock vehile to a aftermarket turbo or whatever. A fair argument would be boosted L98 vs boosted honda, or stock vs stock

 

Dude. You are supposed to be a Moderator. Now your the WORST one here. Be the mature on and stop posting and let us duke it out among ourselves or have someone lock this thread (like it should have been on day 1). You would never own a thirdgen because they are for slower people? You do realize you are a Modorator on the worlds biggest thirgen website/organization. For your own sake stop being such a child. Others on this board have the right to be children, your a mod, you can not afford that luxury.

 

I'm pretty sure 350 thirdgens lugnuts have more torque than most Hondas....

That being said, Honda is NOT a performance oriented company. They are all economy cars aside from the NSX.

Adding turbos/superchargers doesn't make a car performance. I can go buy a new Chevy Malibu with a Turbo from the dealer. Its still a family sedan. It might be a little faster than most of what you'll see but the argument still stands.

Part of the reason that 3rd gens are so " appraised " is that they will still beat down a good majority of what you see on the streets while being over 20 years old in most cases.

I love my Thirdgen as Im sure most people love their car, but there are things a car was and was not built to do. 4cyl cars weren't built to be fast. When you compare cars, you HAVE to go stock vs stock or at LEAST with the same exact modifications ( as close as you can get anyway ) while keeping in mind what each cars original purpose is. If you can make a tiny engine do the 1/4 in 12 seconds, then kudos to you. You did something cool. Just keep in mind that the V8 you're talking trash about would utterly wreck you with the same performance mods that your car has. Why? Because it was built with speed in mind. It already has a leg up from the get-go. ( This applies to us V8 guys as well. Talk all the crap you want about that Honda. Just remember, his car still costs half as much as ours does in the long run and our car is supposed to be a quicker car. You're SUPPOSED to beat him in a race. )

Look at the fastest cars in the world. Bugatti Veyron SS, SSC Ultimate Aero and the Hennessy Venom GT. The Bugatti has a 16 Cyl engine. Both the UA and the Venom have V8s. Do you know what kinda BS car companies would have to pull out of their *** to make a 4cyl even hit 200? Let alone the 260+ all 3 of those cars can do. Theres a reason that EVERY production car able to go those speeds have bigger engines.

But anyway. The fact of the matter is that most thirdgens are faster than most Hondas because Hondas are not meant to be fast. Thirdgens are. Its like bragging about a Doge Viper being faster than a Ford Focus. They have entirely different purposes.

The whole " ***** " crowd thing really became popular when Fast and the Furious came out. Why? Because everyone saw how " fast " the cars were and thought " Hey, I can make my 4cyl fast too! " not realizing that its most common to see those cars trying to race because dumbass teenagers want to race but they can't afford a car that is fast.

Imports are/were cheap. A good running thirdgen will cost you anywhere in the 4-8k range. And these cars are 20+ years old. A " like new " condition will be anywhere from 10-20k from what I've seen. Id wager a good running Civic ( would have. FnF raised their price through the roof ) to go for maybe 3 or 4 at most.

Bottom line is that ***** guys think their stuff is fast because a popular movie series told them so. ( And in Fast and Furious' defense, I really liked the first movie aside from the drag race scene with the green Eclipse )

Everyone has their own tastes. Don't bash someone for what they like simply because you don't like it. You CAN however, bash some dumb kid who wants to race your 350/305 with a stock Honda and say he " has VTEC dude, you're gonna get smoked! "

 

bullshit. I have raced a few "boosted Hondas" . Feeling fast and being fast are two entirely different things. Of course a smaller , narrower vehicle is going to "feel " faster.

 

Who knows, maybe the guys that put turbos on the Hondas I raced didn't know what they were doing.

 

That comment never makes any sense to me. Tell me why you should compare a stock honda to a stock 3rd gen? The honda has 4 cylinders and the 3rd gen has 8. So why can't you compare a 4 cylinder with a tiny little turbo to a V8 N/A? A 5.7 liter engine could never be compared to a little 1.6 liter N/A 4 cylinder because there is no comparison. Thats why turbos are so amazing. They make it possible to make 300+ HP on a motor that displaces 1.6 liters. I think we all know that a boosted V8 will ussually ALWAYS make more than a boosted 4 cylinder.

Believe me, for every 15 hondas, only one will be built correctly and be fast. But then again, for every 15 3rd gens, only one or two are actually nice and tasteful and the rest are beat up with rebel flag stickers all over them. Thats the only reason hondas and 3rd gens alike have gotten a bad rap. You can't judge a car by the owner....they are all platforms to improve on and all can be done tastefully. I'll tell you one thing though, if I was building a track race car, I would look at honda first. Lightweight plus a great suspension with some aftermarket parts makes for a little corner carver. I know 3rd gens had a great suspension from the factory, but as good as it is, theres one thing that makes the difference in how well a car will corner, and that is weight.

 

I said properly boosted. I have seen my share of honda guys that throw a turbo on without a tune and it's a recipe for disaster. I mean someone who is actually a gearhead and puts a nice turbocharger kit on. They move very well, and it's not hard to make them run faster than the mid 14 that an L98 3rd gen can do.

 

So you would start with a Front wheel drive car for a race track?

 

[QUOTE=whitedevilTA;5111452]That comment never makes any sense to me. Tell me why you should compare a stock honda to a stock 3rd gen? The honda has 4 cylinders and the 3rd gen has 8. So why can't you compare a 4 cylinder with a tiny little turbo to a V8 N/A? A 5.7 liter engine could never be compared to a little 1.6 liter N/A 4 cylinder because there is no comparison. Thats why turbos are so amazing. They make it possible to make 300+ HP on a motor that displaces 1.6 liters. I think we all know that a boosted V8 will ussually ALWAYS make more than a boosted 4 cylinder. [QUOTE]


Exactly there is no comparision. Why is it fair to compare a stock car to something with a load of money dropped into it. The only argument I ever hear for hondas is boost boost boost, like its Honda specific. Like nobody with a v8 has the ability to boost theirs. As for handling, idc how light it is, its fwd. If you're making a track car you'd drop the weight on a third gen significantly anyway. FWD is in no way performance oriented. Its for economy, just like a vtec. Also show me one, just one honda that actually looks good. Yeah I know that's opinionated but they all just look like rice or a Moms car

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...da_NSX_red.jpg

 

Like I said that's an opinion lol. I don't like it all. Of course there's plenty of people who find third gen ugly, and quiet a few of them are.

 

There are a few moderators that either have not owned or no longer own 3rd gen F-bodies. Why? Because they are, and have been helpful in the forums that matter, which is part of how I got to be a moderator. I was also recommended by another moderator. I was asked, and accepted.

Almost none, there is a little previous body work from before I bought the car, but the car is very solid, which is why I bought this one, and not others that were closer.

Nope, no IQ problems here. I came here for information and to help in certain forums, I've also been here since around 2002 IIRC, just under a different user name that I lost the accompanying e-mail account for. I am on plenty of Datsun websites too.

You should recheck that, there was an SUV type Acura that came with a turbo, and I believe there was some late '70s car that came with one. FWIW, there was also a Honda bike that came turbocharged from the factory.

So, because I'm a moderator, I'm not allowed to have an opinion? That is one of the weakest arguments I have read.

Exactly. A friend of mine with an '08 Honda Civic has added a bolt on supercharger, full exhaust, Injen intake tube, and a proper tune It's also lowered. With him driving, his first time at the track, on a night where the track prep, or lack thereof was terrible (I was over 2 tenths slower myself), ran a 13.9. There is at least a mid 13 in it, the way it sits. I don't think that's too bad, for bolt on parts, that could be done in a weekend.

Here's something that will tickle ya.

I have been following a local racing series, they have Drag racing, time attack and drift. It caters to mostly imports. I haven't been paying attention to the drag results, but I can say for sure in the time attack, the FWD classes are the quickest of the 9 classes, if the top finisher in a FWD car is not faster in a particular event, they are within a second of the similarly prepped RWD class.

 

The reason not many people boost a V8 is that it is damn expensive. Twice the amount of parts needed, bigger turbo which equals more money, basically double everything that a 4 cylinder would need, and then you are stuck with trying to fit it all into an already tight engine bay. A honda (or any 4 cylinder) needs one turbo manifold which plenty of companies make for cheap, a small turbo, small intercooler, and some piping. Because the engine is mounted sideways, you have plenty of room for everything to fit. It's just easy, thats why people do it. I built my turbo set up on my 5.3. It sucks, trust me. I would have much rather went out and bought a cheap setup pre made that bolted on like you can do for a honda, but nothing is made for our cars which is the problem.

And as far as superchargers, they are just rediculously expensive these days so thats out of the question for most people.

 

I'm sensing a Banty Rooster here...

 

well...I can't resist chiming in. I tried, but I can't.

I do agree Honda (and Toyota, etc...) make some decent cars. Some are fast (some are incredibly fast), however, NONE, not one, of them feel as good to me as my Z28. When I go the the drag strip and listed to what sounds like a weed wacker on crack bounce of his rev limiter and smoke the front tires to run 12's I am not the least bit impressed. Why? Because they sound horrible, look boring, and have no excitement to them. I mean c'mon, sit a 92 Camaro next to a 92 Honda and tell me which car looks better. Start them both up and listen to them, which one sounds better? Sure, the Honda might corner as well or even better, but I'd much rather get the feeling I get when I drive my Z28. Stock v. stock they are both fairly comparable. Add turbos and all the other crap the ricers do and it'll beat a stock or lightly modded 3rd gen. Do similar mods to both cars and spend the same money on each car and the American iron usually wins and holds up better to the mods.
Look, think back 20 or 30+ years....people really like the classic muscle cars (Mustangs, Mustang GT's, Chevelles, Nova SS, Monte Carlo SS, Buick Gran Nationals, Camaros, Z28's, etc..... I just don't see Camrys, Civics, Preludes, etc..... getting most people excited.............. just my .02. To each his own.

btw..six-shooter... I see you dont have a 3rd gen; however, I looked through some of your 2000+ posts and see u really know your stuff and it looks like you have helped out a ton of 3rd genners on here. Thanks! (I still dont hafta like ur Datsun though, do I ???

 

So your opinion is that all hondas look like crap yet you wanted to see a Honda that doesn't....opinions can't be proven wrong buddy.

Its like trying to convince someone that 2+2 does NOT = 4. You can't do it.

 

Honda City, Acura Rdx.

Integra/Civic Type R? H22 Preludes, some with 4 wheel steering? S2000? TL? Even the Legend was offered with a stick will the end, how many "sporty" luxury cars from GM came with one?
Import car is the best thing to happen to the US market. Yeah **** it I said it.

 

Thank you...honda has PLENTY of performance oriented cars. Not to mention they invented VTEC which set the standard for all VVT engines of today, but they still make some of the highest powered 4 cylinders out there, and thier engine technology is second to none.

 

Although to be fair Alfa Romeo was the first followed by Nissan in VVT use in production cars

 

I happen to be a American muscle car guy to the death, but I also have a lot of respect for tuners. When done right, pound for pound( weight to horsepower) companies like suburu and Acura are really doing some wonderful things with these cars. As anyone who has ever gone to an import vs domestics car event can contest, they are cars that are not to be taken lightly... Not sure how everyone else feels about it but once you see a 93 Honda hatch run low 7s on the quarter mile, you pay homage when it's deserved... Ps: FIREBIRD OR DIE !! lol!!

 

I understand that you are a moderator but comments like that are better kept to yourself. Pay homage when your on our site, the same way we would do for you if we were a moderator on yours....

 

Yes, yes you do! :P lol I don't expect anyone to understand why I chose a Datsun 240Z over other cars as my toy, but I did, and I don't regret a moment of owning it. It's the same reason most people here chose a 3rd gen F-body, they wanted to.

Exactly, Honda just had better marketing.

While I admit it may be a bit harsh, you're coming late into the game, and if you look back through the thread, ninetyone, has made a fool of himself with many posts, mostly based on his opinion that he likes to refer to as "fact."

 

Got any pics of your car? Thats a wild color...but I actually really like it! I ALMOST painted my TA a bright green but then I decided on the orange.

EDIT: Nevermind...just checked out your album. That thing is sweet man! Love the color, and the interior touches go great with it.

 

Thanks for the compliment.. It's funny because I've be a fan of your car as well ive got a few of your YouTube videos saved in my favorites.. Great minds think alike... Lol..

 

Wow, it's even crazier than I thought, just rewatched one of your old vids and found out that you used a paint code from the same car company I did!!! That's crazy!!! Beautiful by the way too, would love to see a full car pic if you have one. Thanks..

 

7's in the quarter sounds more like a Turbo Fox body Mustang, not a Honda.

 

Sounds like you are the one making a bigger fool of yourself being a moderator.

 

Our cars arn't that heavy compaired to modern cars. The last gen of the civic was about 3200lbs. The current impreza is 3400lbs. The average 3rd gen f body is about 3500lbs I'd say. As for most average modern cars being faster than 3rd gens, you have to take into consideration what the auto industry had to deal with since the mid '70s. The EPA forced the automakers to reach fuel milage and emmissions standards that they just didnt have the technoligy to meet and still make good power (the '75 corvette is actually slower that the '55 'vette). We now know how to do that even with old school engines, which is why the SBC is still the most popular performance engin platform out. I've drivin my FWD at the drag strip (wanted to see what the dd would do) and they suck to launch. No grip compaired to RWD thanks to the physics of weight transfer. For the money argument, here at least, you're spending more to get a decent civic than a 3rd or early 4th gen f body in similar condition with compairable milage. Mods honestly cost about the same depending on what you're doing. It just takes a little more effort for us because there's more in terms of kits for the import crowd.

And FYI almost all pro FWD road race cars have spoilers to provide grip and stablility to the rear preventing oversteer. Just watch a BTCC race and you'll see them.

 

This is the ignorance that I'm talking about.

 

@ 91, they say ignorance is bliss but apparently not in your case

sweet datsun 6shooter, i've always likes those cars

 

LOL, thats funny. So is yours an actual plymouth prowler color? Because I do seem to remember them being offered in a green like that. And heres 2 pics...unfortunately I have no real good ones because the car still doesn't have the frontend on it, but if you didn't know, I have a pretty big build thread on here as well if you wanted to browse through it. Heres the link...

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/hist...ita-86-ta.html

 

I'm am so sorry six shooter now I see exactly what you are talking about! Lol... Really is sad, lol!!!!

 

No, I meant exactly what I said, low 7s!! Do all of us and yourself a favor and only comment on stuff that you have actually experience and or witnessed. If you read my description correctly than you would see that this doesn't apply to you since I clearly stated that people that actually have been to one of these would understand what I'm talking about.. You, clearly have never ever been to one of these events!!!! I go to MIR every year for the one they host here in maryland and have witnessed honda, supra and even 1995 camry(all highly modified well build motors of course) run low 7s!!! So, with all do respect please don't comment if your not sure of what your talking about!!

 

Nope, not a plymouth Color but it's mopar hint-2008-2009

 

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say viper snakeskin green?

 

Dido.

 

i assume you mean "ditto", dido is a female singer