Hey everyone, I don't drive yet, but when I do, I wanna get a Camaro, thing is, I'm not really into drag racing, so... I wanna know. How do Camaro's do for street racing?? Not drag. Sure, I know you'd have to tweak the suspension. but if you knao, let me know.

Thanx
Tim

 

They are really good for both street and track, some are better than others though.

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89 RS

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87 IROC-Z28 350 TPI

 

They are musclecars, thats what they do!!

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89 RS

Looking For:
87 IROC-Z28 350 TPI

 

to clarify, I'm talking, like through turns and everything, thanks
Tim

 

They kick a** for that kinda stuff, especially IROC-Z's.

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89 RS

Looking For:
87 IROC-Z28 350 TPI

 

Hey man I have driven a 1987 IROC-Z, 1992 RS and Z-28, 1993 Z-28, 1995 Z-28, and a 1997 Camaro and I have been impressed with each of them. The Camaro is one of the best all around performers. As for your question about them being good on the street. All that I can say is that I have never had a better car for passing in hard places. There is a road where I live that has many turns and some friends and I go there to race (It also has great strips for drag racing). Well, one day when we went out there was a 1995 Prelude and a couple of Rustangs. Well, they all wanted to race my friend in the turns. The only thing is that he is scared to race in the turns. So he asked if I would race them since I have a lot of experience on them. So I said YES. Well, we all took a warm up lap and met back at the start of the turns. We took off and I let the Rustangs and the import take the first turn (since I had more experience). But when we got to the next turn I said, "Well, I let them lead long enough." So as the cars went in to the turn I stayed on the out side. You should have seen there faces. They all were fighting to keep the cars from spinning around and I was passing them on the out side by about 5-10mph. Well, from that turn on I didn't get to see them much (I was to far ahead) . When we finished they didn't even stop to say by. Guess they were to embarrassed . Oh well! But I think you will be very happy with the Camaro. That's just my 2 cents. Hope this helps.

 

The stock camaro comes with 3 levels of suspension. RS has the least handling suspension while the IROC-Z and Z28 have the better ones. You can make the RS out handle the IROC-Z's easily, by buying junk parts off of Z's or getting better parts aftermarket. The advantage there is you save money on insurance. However the RS is not as fast as the Z28 or IROC-Z. But again, the combinations are limited only by your imagination. If you seek help in making your car stick to the road like glue, or fly like the wind, it has been done over and over again by these guys here, and they are more than willing to help you do the same.

Clint

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I really don't really mean to be nasty, but your question just just sounds... well uneducated. Maybe you need to open your eyes or get a slow mustang, (because they are "cool") There is nothing like a Camaro. Drive one you'll see.

 

Except for a Firebird!

 

Don't worry to much about handling man, you wont race to many cars around hair pin tuns. But the 3rd gen Z's do handle great. I was very impressed with my 91 Z28 when I got it. Most the fun of street racing comes from the light to light races, which these torque motors are great for. Highway on the otherhand isn't so great in stock conditon, but you can always work on that later. Beside who really needs a 120mph speeding ticket anyway.....not me thats for sure

 

Well, if you want to talk about handling in street races, maybe you should instead look at stock classes in amateur racing for a comparison. The 3rd gens have a very impressive history.

I autocross my IROC pretty much every Sunday. In addition, plan to start putting her on road courses more and more. ...I'll be here http://www.fastone.com/TMap99.pdf on June 29th. Anyone care to join me? It's an open track day and it's only $100.

Through the late 80's through mid 90's, the Third Gen Camaro was the consistent winner in the SCCA Solo II F-Stock class. In addition, many former champions have come to talk to me at events since I'm one of the few 3rd gen drivers left. Many of them have told me that they prefer the handling characteristics of the 3rd gens over the 4th gens for competition. The only downside when comparing the 3rd and 4th gens is the hp difference...

These cars are great road racing cars. Period.

Last Sunday, I got two fellow F-Stock drivers (both in Mustang GT's) to take me as a passenger for one run each. Neither pulled as hard as my IROC and they were about the same on handling (they are also better, more experienced drivers than me)... Fact.

The reality is that I bought my IROC specifically for racing (to take beatings). The car has completely won me over. My 83 Monte Carlo SS and my wife's BMW 5-Series sit now. I only want to drive the 'ROC.

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JimmyZ--
I'm only 16,I've never driven anything other than my mom's Tacoma. Having never driven a Camaro, yes it was an uneducated question, and in case you didn't know, until someone tells you about something, you're uneducated on that subject. put 1 and 2 together, I said I didn't drive, sounds to me like your the one who put on an uneducated post.

 

Well Tim, let me tell you this. If you get an RS expect it to be slow as ****. I made the mistake of buying a RS and spent over $1500 to make it run low 15's. If you want a car make sure you look at them closely and come back and post on the board that you saw this car blah blah. The newer models have more hp 90-92 than the earlier models unless of course it has dual cats than your doing pretty good hp wise. I love my camaros handling, I have no fear laying down the gas going around a 90 degree turn. I can pull her back with ease. I remember driving my friends 90 Stang and I nailed it around a corner and I did 360's (luckily i didnt hit naything). If you want handling/looks/performance get a camaro or firebird, if you want just performance get a rustang. Just know this, a RS has around 165hp 250 lbs/ft of torque as a iroc will have anywhere from 190 - 245hp and 250 - 345 lbs/ft of torque. I was just disapointed in my RS's performance and don't want you to make the same mistake (although the RS is a beautiful car).

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RW91B4C is there anyway I can contact you? We have the same cars with almost the same times, it could be good to give some good tips to eachother

 

People say RWD cars handle like crap.
Yeah I'd like to see the look on their face after taking hairpin curves at incredible speeds like I do :P. Just DONT DO IT IN THE RAIN for god sakes.

 

hey one eyed jack? how many times have you gone to hell? hahahaha i had to get that one out....sorry the FWD cars dont have to worry about oversteer like we do....i hate FWD i drove my cousins Hynudai midget mobile and it doesnt handle worth ****...same with some of my friends cars(civics and such) whatdya mean not in the rain....i love driving in the rain...hehehehe yeah you dont want to take a corner to fast in the rain......especially in a RWD car although i must admit it looks pretty damn cool when you do....... oh and i'd purposely buy an RS even a V6 becasue of insurance reasons.....then go to a junkyard and buy a not that wrecked Z and part it out and you'll have a wolf in sheeps clothing

 

i have drivin front and rear, and dude, there is nothing like the comfort that fwd provides on turns i have to admit. my toyota stays glued in turns, and if the back end starts to slide (which it doesnt usually) i dont have **** to worry about. just my 2 cents tho, if you want performance rebuild the whole suspension system with pst ****.

 

I just wanted to say that you guys arent comparing apples..... your comparing Grannies Civic to the American Muscle...... If your gonna compare FWD cars, use a better representation like a GST eclipse (T stands for Turbo) or maybe a TYPE R integra (whatever that is, but the ricers always have TYPE R on them like its their goal to be one)

 

well here's my two cents... If you can get at least a Z28, regardless of what horrid engine it may have (LG4 or LO3's should be stayed away from if possible), it will outhandle most other cars on the road (assuming you're parents aren't going to buy you a vette or something simmilar).

I personally cannot stand FWD cars... This winter we got a boatload of snow one day, and once the plows got a good portion of it off the road (the streets were still white though) I went out for a ride in my Z and I whipped my friends Buick Skylark... going around the same 90 degree turn at about the same speed my Z made the turn... the *** end kicked out, but I corrected it and it made the turn. The Skylark on the other hand, once it lost traction it went on a straight line into a snowbank, didn't matter how much or how little gas I gave it or what I did w/ the steering wheel. I know its comparing apples to oranges, but it's my little rant about FWD sucking. Its a lot easier to correct a RWD car about to spin out, than it is to get a FWD car to regain traction once its gone like that.

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i have never, ever had front wheel drive lose control in NORMAL weather conditions. can you floor a rwd around corners? even the civics that will spin em around corners damn near stay glued while spinnin em. the point is, you may not be able to correct as well with fwd, you are damn near never put in a situation to. thats why most new cars are front wheel drive, they are stupid proof.

 

I agree with Jason86Z28. A RWD car is a hole lot easier to correct than a FWD. Plus FWD cars traction sucks off the line...that is if you have any power at all(I have seen some FWD cars that don't have enough power to talk about much less spin the tires). Your best bet is a Camaro, Firebird, or a Corvette. They have great handeling, power, and good weight transfer. Which ever you choose I'm sure you'll be happy. Good luck man.

 

aight.. FWD. they understeer HORRIBLY.. even when set up to oversteer, they don't do it very well.. you HAVE to floor it through turns in FWD car b/c they simply don't have the torque to keep the car moving and the engine in the powerband without the pedal to the floor in tight turns. You don't have to floor a 3rd gen in the tight ones to keep up w/ a FWD car.. you have torque.. it's a beautiful thing.. cherish it..

As for the RS bashing.. they are slower than snot in a straight line, but contrary to common belief.. many came with the very same suspension as the Z's. I have the same sway bars and springs as my friends 90 Z.. and I have a 92 RS.. it handles quite well actually.. when I get out of college.. she will no longer be stock.. but till then. I'll just have to think back to the dearly departed Ragin'87(may it R.I.P)


Anthony

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Current ride: 1992 Camaro RS, K&N, Flowmaster, 305, T5, Black, T-tops, 76k miles.

 

I used to have an 89 dayotna shelby/turbo Z or whatever you want to call them, in 90. It was pretty quick with exhaust, intake, and some suspension upgrades - I thought that car was on rails. At any rate, one time I was racing, a thirdgen of all things, and was entering a 90 degree turn off a straight at a good speed right on the back of the 90 formula 305tpi/5speed. Well, my friend was in the formula and he is a good driver, but I was in the invincible FWD handling machine so I was going to cut the apex and try to get a run on him coming out. We entered hard and he got loose and corrected - while I went into a front wheel slide up over a curb and into an old lady's yard. Those 16" daytona rims were expensive to replace back then ! They handle good up to a point - then hold on.

 

area51, do you live near las vegas? i live in the henderson area, camaros down here are dirt cheap when you look close enough got my '87 SC for 800 bucks, runs good and real fun, although if i had more money i'd go for the iroc with the 350 tpi, but any camaro looks good, except for those early model berlinettas they're kinda funny lookin, but can be made to look good. The choice is upto you any camaro can be made to look sweet.

 

hey, i had an '82 camaro berlinetta, looked pretty nice i thought, sept i do agree the rear end looks kinda funny. here are some pics, lol.

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<img src=http://darklighter.50megs.com/pic/car6.jpg><img src=http://darklighter.50megs.com/pic/car5.jpg>

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After reading all this,I have to say: If it's raining or snowing don't depend on your F-body's suspention to save you. My car sucks in the rain. With my upgrades and a possi, I get into a high gear as soon as possible and stay there. All that bottom end torque is not gonna do you any good in wet conditions.Don't even try to test it. You'll wipe out pretty quick. FWD is a good idea! It works wonders.

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