can a 305 tbi 91 firebird beat i think a 97 or 96 3000gt sl

 

well i raced my buddy and he has one so you can kiss my *** cuz i woooped his dont underestimate a potiac hes got a underdrive pulley the venom 400 i have a perf chip open exhaust flowmaster and open air filter

 

A man's got to know his limitations.
If a TBI firebird beat a turbo or non-turbo GT3000, than we have entered an alternate Universe where all rules of power-to-weight-ratio do no longer apply.
Or have we?


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1990 Formula
Factory:TPI-305/Dual Cat(230hp),5 Speed,3.42 rear, Dealer:Aluminum Drive Shaft
Mods:SLP air foil,K&N Filter, Accel:wires,coil cap,rotor.Hypertech Thermomaster chip,Stat,Fan switch,TES headers,MSD6AL,AFPR(46), Harwood fiberglass hood,original GM "Notchback GTA" hatch.
Flowmaster 3" Cat-back exhaust,TB coolant bypass, Centerforce dual friction clutch.
1999 Lexus GS 400 everyday car(It's a V8 so its not Rice)
1987 Voyager Minivan. Cost me $300=runs like new.No repairs for over 2 years(fingers crossed)
DIRECT LINK TO PICS OF MY CAR. NO WEB-PAGE. http://community-2.webtv.net/MZavraz...A90/page9.html

 

firebird, you sure he was pressing on the gas and not the brake pedal? pulleys goes down one tenth and gain one my mph, that **** stock would bea tyou stock and you don't have enough mods to even run CLOSE.

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1990 G92 5spd LB9 - 3.42 80,000 miles

Accel Ignition/Wires (8.8mm), Advanced Timing, TB Bypass, Ported and Gasket Matched Plenum, Synthetic Motor Oil, 160 Thermo, TPIS Airfoil, K&N Air Filters, Centerforce I Pressure Plate and Clutch, Edelbrock TES Headers, Dual Cats, Edelbrock RPM Series Catback, Homemade Ram Air, Bosch +4 Platinum Plugs

14.4 @ 94mph w/2.0622 60ft (w/o headers and catback)

14.426 @ 96.19mph w/2.167 60ft(w/headers and catback)

 

well he doesnt have turbos so does that make you guys feel better but i know my friend and we run togather all the time and we are dead even or i take em but i think u guys dont understand 3000gt SL arent as fast as everyone says ask all my other friends that are in my car when i pass him

 

hahaha yeah well I raced and beat a corvette before. Too bad it was parked at McDonalds and nobody was even in it. But I beat it didnt I? Sorry that was kinda mean

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1992 Pontiac Firebird
- 305ci V8 TBI / Automatic Trans / Loaded
- MODS: Edelbrock 14x3 Open Element Air Cleaner, Dual outlet exhaust
1985 Chevy Z28
- 350ci V8 TPI / Automatic Trans / Paid $200 for it
- In the process of restoration!

 

what are the horsepower numbers for the 3000gt sL i never thought they were quick and all you guys are claiming they are? i know the vr4 is a fast car but never the sL... i wish i had some of the crack you guys are smoking. i used to sell mitishbishi's too so my opinion doesnt come without backing. until someone comes with horsepower numbers for the SL non turbo that shuts me up i have always thought they suck. i would bet on my tbi over it anyday.
Shawn

[This message has been edited by pimpintheRS (edited July 17, 2001).]

 

The ‘96 3000GT, 3000GT SE and Spyder SE feature a normally aspirated
3.0-liter, 24-valve, double overhead-cam (DOHC) V6 engine producing 222 hp at
6,000 rpm and 205 ft. lbs. of torque at 4,500 rpm (3000GT and SE models sold
in California achieve a maximum of 218 hp).

couldnt find the SL i believe it just has some different options.. correct me if i am wrong with the numbers. if i am correct the horsepower numbers are not to impressive and the wiegh around the same as us.



[This message has been edited by pimpintheRS (edited July 17, 2001).]

 

yeah well that over 30 HP (if he has 190) and over 50 HP (if he has 170) less than the 3000 gt tell him to take his car out of overdrive next time!

 

what about torque smart guy how many of you have ever raced a 3000gt SL automatic... i feel like i am on a ***** web site. did you also forget that the race can also depend alot on the driver we are evenly matched already...
Shawn

 

well I have a 92 3.1 MPFI 5speed with a few mods... and I have a 91 305 TBI auto. Now I race the 2 against each other ocasionally just to see what the mods have done.
And I must say after converting the air pump to a vacuum pump and I could out run the 305 TBI everytime. Not by much but I could edge it out. Now that I slightly ported(mainly gasket matched) the intake and polished it I run all over the 305 every time. And it is not driver fault, I tell my g/f to hold it to the floor and put it in D. And the kicker is I have a full interior in mine along with a nicely sized system. The 305 has no interior(save the driver seat) I am working on rebuilding just about the entire car. And before you say that milage is the determining factor one is at 110k and the other is 116k.

And I forgot to mention that my little 3.1 also barks third(yes that 3rd) gear doing 60 MPH??? By the time I hit 4th I have to let off cause I am at 100-110 and the govoner is about to kick in. Just FYI...

 

TO: PIMPINTHERS
FROM: 91FIREBIRDFOSHO

I AM GLAD SOMEONE ELSE ACTUALLY KNOWS THE TRUTH ABOUT THE SL. THE PEOPLE ARE SO BLIND DUE TO THE VR4 MAY I REPEAT VR4 NOT I MEAN NOT THE SL HE USED TO run with me when we took off goin 70 but i got my free flowing exhaust and i pull away now YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT TORQUE hes afraid to race me from dead stop,, ever since he picked it up and thought he could hang with me then he was disapointed after i was 2 1/2 car lengths ahead and thats just in 50 yards i was still pullin. It is a descent car but for all that money to buy it and put mods on it he should have got a pontiac and spent money on a manifold cam exc. for the same price he got a venom 400-$300 power pulley $200 isnt a cam and manifold combo about $300 our pulleys are $80 from hypertech i could go on forever but i gotta go thanx again pimpinthers for a damn good response
nick

 

camaro hunter what does that have to do with what we are discussing? we dont care if you have got your 3.1 liter 6 banger to pull on the 305. we are talking about the 3000gt SL and i have raced one of them too beat him bad from a dead stop and it was pretty even at higher speeds all depends on how hot my car is at the time.

91firebird it is no problem.. But you are right the Vr4 is a totally different car having 100 more horses then the SL.. its a thing called turbos.
Shawn

 

beinga***intheRS: he was just showing us how damn slow 305 TBI autos are (they get beat by V6 5speeds).... you are gay.... ohh i just looked up the 1/4 for a 97 SL...lol it 14.9 after i saw that i didnt even bother lookin that TBI piece! I hate seeing "sport cars" that run in the high 16's..... but i know, you have bad swirl port heads... lol what a bitch

 

You should kill the 3000GT non-turbo. I see them at the track every week and they run low 16's.

The VR4 is an entirely different story. They have 320 HP and only way about 200 more lbs. than my '87 IROC. Don't forget that they are all wheel drive and are extremely efficient. I got beat bad by one. They are very quick. One at the track runs 13.1's. I do no know what mods are done to it though. Even so, you better have one modded extremely quick car to beat that.

 

FOSHO are you sure he doesn't have the model with one cam over each head? They are rated at 168 hp and I am not sure on the torque. The models with dual cams for each head are the ones with 222 hp. A friend of mine had a '93 Stealth. His was the 165 hp model, and my '82 Z with CFI would kill it unitl about 60 mph.

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'87 Silverado
350 4 bolt main bore .040 over
TB Injected
Ported and Polished heads
Comp cams 268h cam and top end
Flowtech headers
3.73s on Detroit locker

 

HIS Engine is the dual overhead cam one and at first i was nervouse about that but like what was said previouse the sl is just as heavy as the vr4 without the horses which also plays a difference my friend even tells me its heavy

 

importsrsloths.. i am gay huh? you just roam around the board looking to rag on tbi's. i know the car isnt that fast never said it was but a 3000gt isnt that fast either..i dont think to many people want to see you ragging on their car so shut the F8ck up.
Shawn

 

I just dont get it with people talking smack about the LO3. When I bought my RS 3 years ago I didnt have any idea that they have 170hp. But i found the hard way getting beat in the street by almost anything on four wheels. I blamed my car for being so slow. The problem was not the low hp but that my shifting skills sucked. To make this story short. I was told I couldnt beat a 95 GS-R;guess what I beat it, I was told I couldnt beat an 86ish Supra non-turbo; again i beat it, i raced an 86 mustang GT (auto);beat it, about to race a 98 eclipse, mostlikely ill beat it. Sorry for the long *** story but the point im trying to make is that you just have to race and see for yourself our cars are the **** whether it is an LO3, Lg4, L98, etc. etc. they are 3rd gen cars that have earned respect over the years, and if that respect is getting tampered with then we come to this site to get it back. Not to get disrespected by someone in this board who apperently needs to buy himself an import!

Sorry about the long *** story, its ****ed up, im freaking pissed off, and im sleepy.

Plus I love when I open my hood and people ask me if it is a carb under the chrome cleaner. Then they ask what year the car is, I just love it. Not as much as I love my LO3 though.

peace out

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91 Camaro LO3 RS 5-spd
Open air element, 16in Chrm IROC-Z wheels, dual 30in chrm exhaust tips, Z-28 wing,ACCEL 8mm wires w/cap n rotor, K&N filter, flowmaster, headers in near future. dual fans.

 

WELL SAID I AGREE TOTALLY

 

Peak hp figures aren't everything. Don't forget the 5 litre engine has a much broader powerband and torque is what does the job.

 

Just wanted to add a bit more to my book.
Today I raced three cars. Lost to one of the 3(too much tire spin).
Here are the cars:
91 SC THunderbird-Won
98 Accord V6-Won
93 Mx-6.-Lost

All had intake/exhaust mods, we were street racing so it was in a small business street, not full quarter mile runs(which I greatly benifited from)upto like 65-70. I think I lost to the Mx-6 cause my car was like at around 200deg. after i had raced the other two(not an excuse, i lost)and will get a rematch, his excuse to for not racing again was that he had a screw stuck in his tire I saw it for myself so ill just wait till next thursday.

By the way no problems with the LO3 she behaved quiet well.


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91 Camaro LO3 RS 5-spd
Open air element, 16in Chrm IROC-Z wheels, dual 30in chrm exhaust tips, Z-28 wing,ACCEL 8mm wires w/cap n rotor, K&N filter, flowmaster, headers in near future. dual fans.

 

going to my local cruise night tomorrow night well not local next city over.. for all phoenix members i am going to kiwanis in tempe. i know where the illegaldrags are at always but i will not go i am to tempted to race and for the fines and everything it isnt worth taking my car out there. but i will be out at kiwanis tomorrow night phoenx..
Shawn

 

SOCH SL: probably
DOCH SL: doubtfully
VR4: no way in hell

n'nuff said.

Yeah, LO3s suck. Oh well, i can talk all the shiznit about the L03 i want cause i got one But thats not to say it has no potential, its just a smog motor and a sorry excuse for a V8. Once i can afford to put some $$ into it, people are gonna feel just as dumb loosing to an L03 as a 4 banger car! The 5 speed L03s aren't really THAT bad though, unfortunately that would not be what i have.


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88 Camaro (not an RS, or an IROC, justa camaro.)
305TBI/700R4/2.73
14" Open Element and Flowmaster 80 seires

Next up: headers and gears

 

Not to dis on you TBI owners but unless you have one of those aftermarket TBI systems on your 305, which I think is stupid cause for the money you can get a TPI set-up, w/cash to spare.
Anyhow if you put a non-turbo GT3000/Stealth agains a TBI 3rdGen, all things being equal(mods and all), the f*7king non-turbo will spank the TBI to no end! Get real.TBI is/was a half-*** idea to begin with.
I don't wanna flame on you TBI loyalists but in stock trim, TBI sucks hairy *****!
I have a 305TPI and it kicks A$S but I wish it was an LT1 or better.
If my 3rdGen could not take a 200hp factory Jap-car, I would drive the FU#@ER of a cliff!!!
Really now, lets get our priorities in line!

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1990 Formula
Factory:TPI-305/Dual Cat(230hp),5 Speed,3.42 rear.
Dealer instaled:Aluminum Drive Shaft
Mods:SLP air foil,K&N Filter, Accel:wires,coil cap,rotor.Hypertech Thermomaster chip,Stat,Fan switch,TES headers,MSD6AL,AFPR(50), Harwood fiberglass hood,Original GM "Notchback GTA" hatch.
Flowmaster 3" Cat-back exhaust,TB coolant bypass, Centerforce dual friction clutch, Ported Plenum (???HP)
DIRECT LINK TO PICS OF MY CAR. NO WEB-PAGE. http://community-2.webtv.net/MZavraz...A90/page9.html

 

blah blah blah just because you have tpi your car is better? my car kicks *** yeah right. go some where else with that crap you dont need to be cutting on other f-body owners cool guy. i could say your car sucked because i isnt a 350 but who cares we all have our own things to work with if you dont want to help or have good advice why did you post. this war is never ending tpi guys think they are better then tbi owners. who cares. still a f-body. after i drop a zz4 in my tbi we'll see how bad you tpi is. *****!
Shawn

 

Yeah and bigpimpin,
When i drop the ZZ4 under my ported TPI, well see whos the others bitch then!

 

okay bring it... because i already have suspension and gears coming in soon we'll see how bad a worked tbi is against a worked tpi... you know what i am going to have alot of money to spend in march and april maybe i'll go with a 383.... when you get your zz4 and i get my enigne in we'll race but when you loose dont get mad that you lost to a tbi. okay because you are "supposed" to have a better induction system. and we'll see who will be my bitch..
Shawn

[This message has been edited by pimpintheRS (edited July 21, 2001).]

 

no matter what the book says i still beat the **** out of my friends 3000gt
fair and square. i dont care whos got more hp or torque i still won i dont care about the vr4 i still beat the dual over head cam 3000gt i dont care if you dont like tbi's i still won i dont care if u dont beleive me i know i still won i dont care if 350's or 383's or 400's are bigger or better than the 305's the one thing i know is that iv got one of the nicest 3rd gen around here and i win most of my races and the best thing about it is when im done with my perf 305 and it beats a stock 350 and his jaw drops it will make me feel good and i will have bragging rights so when i read the next few replys after mine i hope to god i dont see bla bla bla tbi's suck or bla bla bla get a 350 a real engine because it doesnt matter what it is its what u put into it thanx again
nick

 

Bigpimpin, so you think your 383 TBI vs my 350 TPI is fair. (thats kinda pu$$y, especially when you want to prove TBI lol is better) How bout a 383 TPI vs your 383 TBI..... Alls you got to do is go look at the members rides to see what a 383 tpi runs good luck beating those times

 

LOL "*****" i forgot that about word!!! LOL


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1985 LG4 Z28
White w/ Grey ground effects
Red interior
K&N Chrome Element and Filter
Flowmaster 80 series muffler
Aftermarket High-Flow Cat
Chrome Edelbrock Valve Covers

 

those guys running fast times with the 383 tpi's didnt just drop an engine in and run low times.. there is alot more to it then just that. but if you are asking if i think i can beat them i will tell you yes.. i dont know what the ootential of my enigine will be and i am still debating on alot of stuff for the engine. but the tpi engine has a better starting point for mods then the tbi everyone knows that who cares i am just defendin my car and no one is going to admit there car isnt the sweet because we like our tbi's i am just saying dont rag on it.
Shawn

 

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