i gotta friend that just gotta a z34 cavalier and she thinks it could beat me....i have raced my friends regular cavalier and it wasnt even close...i even beat him top end(which surprised me cuz i only had it half throttle in OD cuz of the kickdown thing)



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84TA T-tops L-69 305HO TH-700R4 stock 190hp and 240 ft-lbs.
best E.T. (dont laugh) 15.997 @86.04mph
http://www.geocities.com/K_towngangsta

 

Its Z24 I thought, anyways take a look at the Sunfire thread a ciuple down. These cars are basically the same. (Cavalier Z24 and Sunfire GT)

 

Isnt the Z24 just a cosmetic package? I thought it was just ground effects and decals...They are slow as hell, thats for sure.

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1983 Firebird
TH700R4 Auto
Small Block 400
LG4 ECM, Intake, Carb, Distributor, etc.
Soon to be non-computer.
Clarion Head Unit 45X4
2 Pioneer 400W 12" Subs
Third Gen Performance
"A four cylinder is half an engine."

 

The Z24 package is more than just an appearance package. That would be a RS cavalier. Sound kinda familiar? The cavalier is a Chevy! All Chevy badging works the same! Now that I am done with that little rant here is the real info.

A new cavalier has a 150 hp 155 ft-lb out of a 2.4L DOHC 16 valve I-4 with twin balance shafts. It comes with a Getrag 5-speed manual transmission and a fairly decent suspension. The car probably weighs in at around 2600 lbs.

That means that this little ***** is moderately quick but should not be able to beat you. Just watch out the new 195 hp Acura Integra.

 

My mother has a 2001 z24 peppy on take off(still couldn't beat my LO3) but on the highway man dead has a fart. with your L69 you are going to do circles around her. I raced a 2001 on the highway from about 65 to 100. If i can beat that in my LO3 with just cat-back and K&N you should have no problem. BTW want to sell your dual snorkel air cleaner hee hee
good luck on the kill

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1988 Sport Coupe 305 TBI
K&N
Flowmaster exhaust


Daily driver:
1988 K1500 5.7 4x4 shortbed flowmaster cat-back gutted cat.
AOL: RyanNH84

 

alright cool cuz i thought i could beat her but she thinks she can still win


and hey i dont have a dual snorkel for some reason

i need to get one though

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84TA T-tops L-69 305HO TH-700R4 stock 190hp and 240 ft-lbs.
best E.T. (dont laugh) 15.997 @86.04mph
http://www.geocities.com/K_towngangsta

 

Well that all depends, z24 you would win but dont confuse any "Z34 like in your topic name" package with a bone stock ride. the Z34 ive only seen in lumina modles and drove one. It would probably spank you it would spank my firbird also so dont feel bad. z24 all yours, z34 maybe, depends on your mods.
SSC

 

The Z24 has a speed limiter set at 107mph. Up to that speed it depends on your car whether or not you can beat it. Z24's run about 16 flat in the 1/4. They are chevy products not ricers and there is no new 195HP Acura integra. There is a new 200HP Acura RSX.

 

You sure you even have a HO then? Check the 8th digit of the VIN if you haven't...

Anyway, a friend of mine used to have a Grand Am with the same little 150hp engine and a 5spd. I beat him fairly easily repeatedly with my then stock 87Z with the 195hp 305 TPI auto with 2.73 gears. You should win as well I would think assuming you really have an HO (with 3.42 or 3.73 gears in the auto cars I believe...) If you've got an LG4 you won't be winning many races period...

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Ray87Z
-Vortec headed 350.
86 IROC w/ a cammed 305 TPI.
Formerly Ray86IROC.
www.inter-scape.com/Ray

 

yah im positive its a HO
cuz its a L69 not a LG4

and my car has the little "power bulge" on the hood so maybe my car didnt come with one cuz either they didnt think they needed it since it had that or it wouldnt hook up to the lil bulge thing

and yah i messed up...its a Z24 cavalier not and not a Z34 lumina

well if those things really run 16 flat then maybe we might b close cuz my best has only been a 15.986 (my carb bogged on that run too and still does) so who knows maybe she will win

well thanks for all the replies

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84TA T-tops L-69 305HO TH-700R4 stock 190hp and 240 ft-lbs.
new best E.T. (dont laugh) 15.986 @84.93mph
old best E.T 15.997@86.04
http://www.geocities.com/K_towngangsta

 

with a 5-speed the cavs will run 16 flat(see one run a 15.8 stock) the auto's run low 16's. If she has a standard she has a chance if she is a really good driver if it's an auto you'll beat her

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406SBC
-DART SPORTSMAN 2 HEADS
-RPM INTAKE
-750 SPEED DEMON MECH SEC. CARB
-HEDMAN HEADERS
-COMP CAM EX .507/.510

 

My wife and I had a 98 Z24 once and that little son of a gun would haul them groceries fast. I was curious about the 1/4 mile times so I peaked in a Motor Trend one day. You know how they have that list in the back of the mag with all the production cars w/times, price, engines, etc. I had a 94 Z28/6 spd. at the same time and the SOTP meter could tell that the Z24 was damn near as quick as my Z28.

Well anyway, the Z24 wasn't listed but the LS 4 door was. The LS came with the 2.4L as standard equipment. It was also listed as an auto. trans and had 1/4 mile times posted as 15.1. That 4 dr is a little heavier than the Z24. Now granted that (I'm sure) it was corrected time, a pro driver, and a few runs to get the best time possible. But I'd be a little fearful if I was U!!!

That little (formally known as Quad4) 2.4L motor is usually underestimated. Drive well.
AJ

 

its an automatic...and i think this is her first time ever racing anyone

she just thinks her car his hardcore and i hope i can shut her up with my car
lol

 

On tuesday night I was down at the Rt. 66 Raceway to watch the test and tune night. The best import run I saw was a 15.9. This was from a 2000 Honda Prelude which would absolutely spank a Z24. A brand new Z24 would realistically be a 17 second car. Have no fear with your 15.9.
Cars are a lot slower than most people think. I was watching 4th Gen SS's run 14.5s right next to brand new Corvettes running 14.2s.
Dont feel to bad my dual snorkel setup was lost along time ago too.

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84 Z28 383
Stripped w/Cage back halved w/ladder bars and coil overs and 9 inch
700R-4 3.73

 

alright thanks...that makes me feel better....yah at the strip i beat this 98-01 camaro SS off the start all the way up til i hit D then he blew by me....and i did the same thing to this 94 formula the last time i raced up at US41

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84TA T-tops L-69 305HO TH-700R4 stock 190hp and 240 ft-lbs.
new best E.T. (dont laugh) 15.986 @84.93mph
old best E.T 15.997@86.04
http://www.geocities.com/K_towngangsta

 

take a look in the Carb message forum on gettin rid of the bog. U may just need to change the rods n hangers for a lil richer mix on the secondaries, and adjust the A/V spring tension.

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86 Sport Coupe
LG4 Auto
Mods
PAW headers/ y-pipe Dynomax Super Converter (not done yet for exhaust)
Edelbrock Open element air filter
L69 ECM
Moog Variable rate rear springs
Black Iroc Interior
Kenwood 120 watt head, Kenwood 6x9's jensen 4x6's rampage 100 watt amp to 6x9's

Future Mods
Carter AFB 625
Holley intake
Accel HEI Dist
Dynomax Bullet
Holley fuel Pump
Chrome dress up
And sooooo much more, it'll never end.


It isnt breaking the law........till you get caught.

 

My wifes 97 Z24 went 15.9 bone stock with 65k on it, and a serious lack of traction. If she has anything done to it at all and can drive, you may have your hands full. It'll beat my buddies 91 RS with headers, catback, and open filter from a dead stop.

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Black 89 IROC...355, Solid Crower Cam, TFS heads.
12.0 @ 120.3mph with a 1.9 60ft...all motor

 

the only thing she has done to it is added a BIG chevy logo in the back window and her name on the side windows....

i keep askin her if she will race but she seems to not want to any more

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84TA T-tops L-69 305HO TH-700R4 stock 190hp and 240 ft-lbs.
new best E.T. (dont laugh) 15.986 @84.93mph
old best E.T 15.997@86.04
http://www.geocities.com/K_towngangsta

 

yea, she would beaw tyou = /

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1990 G92 5spd LB9 - 3.42 80,000 miles

Accel Ignition/Wires (8.8mm), Advanced Timing, TB Bypass, Ported and Gasket Matched Plenum, Synthetic Motor Oil, 160 Thermo, TPIS Airfoil, K&N Air Filters, Centerforce I Pressure Plate and Clutch, Edelbrock TES Headers, Dual Cats, Edelbrock RPM Series Catback, Homemade Ram Air, Bosch +4 Platinum Plugs

14.4 @ 94mph w/2.0622 60ft (w/o headers and catback)

14.426 @ 96.19mph w/2.167 60ft(w/headers and catback)

Also newly modded w/o track times:

Holley AFPR, Underdrive Pulleys, KYB Shocks and Struts, Crane Ignition

 

i worked at a body shop before and remember how fast those thign were. i had to go pick some girl because it was her car, those things are quick as hell. i remember thinking how bad it would beat my l03 = / and my l03 had headers/gears/and free mods

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1990 G92 5spd LB9 - 3.42 80,000 miles

Accel Ignition/Wires (8.8mm), Advanced Timing, TB Bypass, Ported and Gasket Matched Plenum, Synthetic Motor Oil, 160 Thermo, TPIS Airfoil, K&N Air Filters, Centerforce I Pressure Plate and Clutch, Edelbrock TES Headers, Dual Cats, Edelbrock RPM Series Catback, Homemade Ram Air, Bosch +4 Platinum Plugs

14.4 @ 94mph w/2.0622 60ft (w/o headers and catback)

14.426 @ 96.19mph w/2.167 60ft(w/headers and catback)

Also newly modded w/o track times:

Holley AFPR, Underdrive Pulleys, KYB Shocks and Struts, Crane Ignition

 

I have an LO3 and beat one..

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1988 Sport Coupe 305 TBI
K&N
Flowmaster exhaust


Daily driver:
1988 K1500 5.7 4x4 shortbed flowmaster cat-back gutted cat.
AOL: RyanNH84

 

90Iroc-Z, you are just all anti-tbi these days huh? You had a TBI, but it doesn't mean all TBIs run that way...I could beat a Z24 if my car was stock.

You guys have to understand...the TBI wasn't intended for ANY performance. But it still can keep up with the TPI boys. TPI was intended for performance, and look...they are getting stomped into the ground by other cars. So you have no reason to bash TBI, GM didn't mess up anything on there. I know my car when it was stock can be just even with a 91 Z28 LB9 Auto.

So don't compare apples and oranges. Did you know I put TPI heads on someones TBI, and it ran way better? The thing that people think is bad is the injection system. Not true. I've proven it to be every bit as good as a MPFI system. It's the heads & exhaust that make it just a tad more slower.

90Iroc-Z, you sound really mature. You won't even reason with my experiments above will you? You just think you are the king because you have a LB9. But, what other people have with their experience, you're answers are always the right ones aren't they Go talk to some TBI boys at the TBI board and I'm sure you will learn way more about the induction system, rather than making assumptions.

 

well put ws6formula89

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1988 Sport Coupe 305 TBI
K&N
Flowmaster exhaust


Daily driver:
1988 K1500 5.7 4x4 shortbed flowmaster cat-back gutted cat.
AOL: RyanNH84

 

TBI BLOWS.... guess what ws6 i put aluminum vette heads on my LB9 and it gained quite a few horse imagine that

 

TBI keep up with an TPI bull $hit, motortrend had the 305 TPI's 5 speeds running 14.8-14.9's while the 350 mid 80's vettes where running 14.9's-15.2's id hate to see what a 305 tbi runs lol

 

Dude, it would do the same thing putting a TBI on a built short-block. When you put the L98 heads on, did you get them milled?

Yes, I was up even with my friends 91 Z28 305 LB9 AUTO. Those were only rated 205 horsepower and 285 ft-lbs. But his car is much heavier than my Formula. It is possible that my L03 (some others have been reported this way too.) had a 350 cam mistakenly put in. It certainly liked to make power after 4500 rpm. You won't believe me, but alright. I don't care, I was there, you weren't. I could care less, my car isn't slow anymore. Leave me alone, you act like you know everything about TBI. Mine was on a chassis dyno when it was stock and it put out 172.6 horsepower at the rear wheels. I also ran a 15.7 when it was stock. It is possible that the whole 350 cam thing could have happened.

-ws6formula-

[This message has been edited by ws6formula89 (edited August 07, 2001).]

 

WS6, if you knew your **** youd know the l98 vette aluminum heads were 58 cc's which is the same as the 305's, SO WHY WOULD I HAVE THEM MILLED PLUS YOUD KNOW A 3O5 IS PRETTY FRICKEN BAD *** WHEN BUILT RIGHT BECUASE IT CAN REV UP A LOT BETTER AND HIGHER THAN A 350

 

Imports, I never said I know everything, I wasn't sure if they were 58cc, 60cc, or 62cc. That's why I was asking you, I was thinking I should get a pair of them, but wasn't sure. I wasn't intending to mock you or be a smart alleck, so don't get the impression I was trying to be mean to you. How about we put this all behind us. My car is built so why should I care anymore. Is everything cool, man? I don't like being mad, so I am trying to be friendly. But, I respect any info anyone gives me, and I expect the same respect for the info I give when I actually do tests for this stuff. Tell me how you like the L98 heads...I could be in the 13s with new heads.

-ws6formula-

 

ws6 its cool i dont feel like talking about aluminum heads cause some chick is coming over right now to give me head... her mouth is 58 cc's.

 

Thank you Imports, for bringing maturity and intelligence to this thread. TBI isn't the greatest, and not too many people think it is. But you can't tell me with a straight face that TPI is king. I mean you really can't even compare the two injection systems because the diffences between the TBI engine and the 305 TPI are too different.

If you scientifically compared (two exact engines, built just like an LB9) a TPI and a TBI, you would see that the differences aren't that great. Now, let say you wanna mod them. What then? What's it gonna cost to put a TPI on a 350 and get into the 12's. Now tell me what it's gonna cost to put a TBI on a 350 and put it into the 12's?
You see where I'm going with this?

Sure it's pretty good way to get gas into the combution chamber, no doubt, but it's complex and expensive and useless for anything above 4500. And you are the guy that touts the 305 because it can "rev higher" than a 350. It seems to me that you would be the first person to abandon TPI and go to something like a Super Ram or a Mini Ram.

Chris