This is a dumb post for sure but I just want to point out how awesome it is to kill all those flashy cars at the stop lights. I don't usually race but I do like to destroy everybody else at a stop light (no ticket for acceleration, just speed ).
I noticed that a lot of thirdgens are starting to get flashy and big stere0's etc. Why aren't there many quiet sleepers?
I just think it would be a LOT more fun to kill a fast car in a stock trim camaro.
I can't really talk because I have the z rear spoiler and centerline wheels but I do have a stock hood and a semi quiet exhaust system even though it's a full 3".
Does anybody else feel the same as me or is everybody all flowmaster "sound" freaks?

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, Jon (350 TBI!)
91 Red My website

 

Yeah, the whole sleeper thing is cool...my car has the stock exterior and the mild 15 inch IROC wheels..(I want bigger ones, but the "go before show" philosophy is telling me to get headers and other stuff first). I do however enjoy burning ricers with their pure vinyl graphic exterior and soda bottle displacement

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305IrocZ28- Al
1990 Iroc-Z
305 TPI
0-60 in 6.8 (timed)
2.73 Posi (3.42 or 3.73 to come)
Flowmaster exhaust
T-tops
Red w/ black racing stripes
Pioneer headunit, stock speakers, Rockford 10'' punch woofers

Ricers beware...I eat you three meals a day

 

Hell yeah Jon. Nothing like flipping the nitrous on and passing a new corvette like he was standing still. Meanwhile he gets to look at the single 2.5 inch exhaust

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91 RS W/carbed 350, Vortec heads, performer rpm, Comp cams Xtreme energy 224/230 duration and .477/.480 lift. BFG Drag radials. 3.42 posi,Corvette servoed 700r4, 3000rpm stall converter. Edelbrock TES, 3inch cat, flowmaster with single 2.5 inch exit.
Best time yet to come
13.0 @ 107- N/A
12.5@ 117- 100HP Nitrous

This is a Pic of my car in race trim www.tbns.net/billyjay/camero.jpg

Yes I know how to spell camaro- so dont ask. I didnt make the link

 

my berlinetta still has pinstripes all the way around the bottom and the gold badges, 14" gold alloys, no gfx, and rusty tailpipes. My greatest asset is that most berlinettas were 2.8's. I plan on keeping it as close to stock looking and quiet as possible, except for those damn tiny wheels. I might even put manifolds on the 350 i put in. and am definitely going to paint the aluminum heads and intake.

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'84 Berlinetta, LG4, 700R-4, starwars interior, falling headliner, T/A t-handle shifter, trans cooler, more to come in time and $$ www.hipergp@aol.com

 

Flowmasters = bad

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1989 Mustang LX 5.0 Coupe
13.34@106.7 - needs more gear and converter

1992 Mustang LX 5.0 Convertible
14.23 @ 95.something - it's been a while since I've ran this one

1993 LX 2.3L Hatchback - "The Ride to VCU"

Moderator Stangtec.com, SN95.com
Amelia and Nic's Twin Terrors

 

I happen to like the sound of the Flowmaster exhaust that I have, but aside from that my camaro is completely stock... err beat up looking. I have to admit it is more fun to destroy flashy cars with a stock looking car, but driving in a tunnel or under a bridge with an exhaust sound like mine is rather satisfying. Oh no, am I starting to sound like a *****?!?

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1984 Z28 Camaro
Mods: 350 ci built by Ultimate Performance Inc, 4 bbl Quadrajet rebuilt by Holley, 700R4 Rebuilt by Level 10, Hyptertech chip Stage 2, K+N air filter, Edelbrock TES exhaust manifold, Flowmaster Muffler, 3.73 Richmond gears, Auburn Posi Limited Slip Differential, KYB Shocks and Struts, Edelbrock Panhard Bar, Trailing Arms, and Strut Tower Brace, TRW Springs, 245/50/R16 Embassy Tires(Yeah, I have no more money.)
Future Mods: Paint!

 

lol i guess right now i am sleeper, lol i got a v6 muffler on or something because i cant affort one right now and i have same enigne as you and my paint is faited but not rust and my hood is poped not even with the finders because my engine cant fit under it and windshild is cracked right now i have more important things to do than to fix it, so i go down the street lookin like a below average thirdgen and you cant even here me intill i floor it lol last time i did floor it i did not clamp it tight enough and it busted open and was pretty much open y pipe i scared him, did not know what even happened

 

I had about decided that the "sleeper" idea was dead forever. Most of the cars you see now are all graphics and sound. 30 yrs ago most of the quickest cars were very stock looking outside except for wheels. I would much rather spend my money to go fast that look good. Other than window tint I intend to keep my 15" cross lace wheels w/ no other mods. I'll put the $1500 for the stereo, wheels and graphics towards a good crate engine.

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'92 firebird t-tops
305tbi,670cfm tbi, 2 1/2" Dynomax catback, 9x3 K&N open element

 

Yeah I like to have my car looking stock, except I got the Hooker cat-back with the dual tips, and I have huge a$$ autometer tach with shift lite right on the A-Pillar, personally I would have gone with a smaller size, but it was a gift.

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"Rice burners are like tampons...Every pu$$y has to have one"
'86 IROC
T-TOPS, TINTED WINDOWS, BRAKE LIGHT BLACKOUTS
GM GOODWRENCH 350
EDELBROCK TES HEADERS
3" Hooker CatBack w/Aero Chamber muffler
EDELBROCK 600CFM CARB.
KN AIRFILTER
ACCEL HEI DISTRIBUTOR
160* Stat, just switched to 180* b/c of winter coming and going to college in the mts.
3:73 Posi
Rebuilt 700R4
B&M Megashifter, 5" Autometer Tach w/shift lite

 

right now my car is a sleeper.. the bodys not great a bit of rust on the back quarter panel and some bad looking rims. i decided the build the car to go fast first before gettin all flashy.

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91 camaro RS
- 305 TBI
Mods: Performer TBI intake, 1" TBI spacer, K+N, jet fan switch ,160 thermo,Accel control module, Jet Stage 2 chip, edelbrock TES headers, Compleate 3" Flowmaster exhaust, Edelbrock springs, KYB struts and shocks, 700R4 built by TSI, SLP tq converter, b+m trans cooler, white guage faces, megashifter..
next month: spohn LCA's and panhard rod, BMR relocation brackets,posi 323 , lt1 cam and new valve springs

 

I like a loud exhaust..no louder then a harley..so I guess you could call me a flowmaster freak. I would much rather have a nice sounding car then a sound system

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1988 Sport Coupe 305 TBI
K&N
Flowmaster 80


Daily driver:
1988 K1500 5.7 4x4 shortbed flowmaster cat-back gutted cat.
AIM: RyanNH84

 

Don't get me wrong, I've wiped out a few mustangs and camaros with my present and past vehicles, but since about a year ago, I've been looking at cars differently. My ltd cannot really be called a sleeper, since it's only slightly faster than stock- maybe a second. It has amazing traction and even with crappy fuel injection- it reacts. The main reason that I win races has to be atributed to me. I'm good from the traffic lights and I can get to the pedal first 99 percent of the time- mainly because I drive with two feet all the time. Of course, I won't pretend that I could get to the floor faster than those of you who have been to the tracks- I've never been. The idea of a sleeper is an unsure thing. Enuf fast third generations are going around that people aren't underestimating as much. A sleeper won't stay a sleeper long. There are vehicles that are the other way. Things that look like they're fast and aren't. Freaked out, white lighted vehicles. Funny thing is, they're becoming sleepers because everybody laughs at how stupid they look and 1 that actually is fast blows them off the highway. So I guess the cars to be afraid of are the ones that you doubt the most.

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1981 Oldsmobile Supreme Brougham... 403 V8, bored .030 over, Blue Racer Wolverine camshaft with hydraulic lifters, 700 Edelbrock carb, stock intake, K&N air filter, Bosch plugs and wires, dual exhaust...400 turbo...

1985 Ford LTD Crown Victoria 4dr...302 TBI V8, Bosch +4 plugs and wires, K&N air filter...AOD transmission...3.08 non posi

 

I am with you all the way on that one Jon. When i took my 305 and put a 350 in, plus had my car painted all with in a matter of 4 months. I was going to add a Z spoiler, a new cowl type hood and ditch the RS trim. Well i changed none of the above. I decided to go sleeper all the way. I don't go looking for races but if one comes my way i have a hard time turning it down. It's funny when a RS can kill a GT or another expensive car. Kinda leaves them all guessin' and muttering to themselves about how they paid too much for thier..... "fast cars".

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92' Camaro RS/Black,T-tops/350 TBI Targetmaster Comp.engine/5 spd/march underdrive pulleys/hedman hedders/3" dynomax exaust/hyper tech stage 2 chip/3.42 gears/K&N air filter/MSD blaster GM coil.......currently setting in my garage impatiently waiting for installation....TPI !!!!!

 

I'm glad I see a lot of you feel the same way.
Now I think the best thing would be to have a no N2o sticker to make them feel even worse .
I would love to have an 89 trans am with a 383 and stock trim including wheels. I would then TRY and keep the exhaust quiet just because there are other things in life than to listen to a loud exhaust note.
I've had many exhaust sytems on my cars and I think my favorite so far is either my superturbo muffler or this summit 3" unit with single 3" out. Both are really quite but DEEP and sound. Unless you have a huge loppy cam shaft, don't go with a crazy loud exhaust.

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, Jon (350 TBI!)
91 Red My website

 

Flowmasters=good

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82 firebird with 305H.O.,Block bored .30 over,Keith black hyperutectic flat top pistons for 10 to 1 compression,Turned crank,Magnafluxed connecting rods,Melling H.V. oil pump,and double roller timeing chain,Ported and shaved heads w/3angle valve job,Z-28springs,Summit push rods and comp cams magnum roller rockers,Ported Edelbrock performer r.p.m.intake,Carter 625 afbcarb,Accell spark plugs,wires,and H.E.I.super coil,Heavy duty cap and rotor,Clevite performance cam with 450-460 inches of lift,Comp cams lifters,700r-4 tranny rebuilt with trans-go rebuild kit,corvette servo,New torQue converter,Flowtech headers,Flowmaster muffler,3.73limited slip rear end,Energy suspension bushings from front to rear,Energy suspension tranny mount,New center link,ball joints,trans-am steering box,ASP power pully,Boxed L.C.A.'s.

 

Flowmaster = SHIAT

 

Hookers are the best.

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"Rice burners are like tampons...Every pu$$y has to have one"
'86 IROC
T-TOPS, TINTED WINDOWS, BRAKE LIGHT BLACKOUTS
GM GOODWRENCH 350
EDELBROCK TES HEADERS
3" Hooker CatBack w/Aero Chamber muffler
EDELBROCK 600CFM CARB.
KN AIRFILTER
ACCEL HEI DISTRIBUTOR
160* Stat, just switched to 180* b/c of winter coming and going to college in the mts.
3:73 Posi
Rebuilt 700R4
B&M Megashifter, 5" Autometer Tach w/shift lite

 

Speak for yourself,imports, They work for me.

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82 firebird with 305H.O.,Block bored .30 over,Keith black hyperutectic flat top pistons for 10 to 1 compression,Turned crank,Magnafluxed connecting rods,Melling H.V. oil pump,and double roller timeing chain,Ported and shaved heads w/3angle valve job,Z-28springs,Summit push rods and comp cams magnum roller rockers,Ported Edelbrock performer r.p.m.intake,Carter 625 afbcarb,Accell spark plugs,wires,and H.E.I.super coil,Heavy duty cap and rotor,Clevite performance cam with 450-460 inches of lift,Comp cams lifters,700r-4 tranny rebuilt with trans-go rebuild kit,corvette servo,New torQue converter,Flowtech headers,Flowmaster muffler,3.73limited slip rear end,Energy suspension bushings from front to rear,Energy suspension tranny mount,New center link,ball joints,trans-am steering box,ASP power pully,Boxed L.C.A.'s.

 

How´s this for a european sleeper..
A seriously worn out 86 Z.
Blue metallic-not that it shows anymore.
Looks worn to the bone from the outside.
Interior is completely stock sans the steering wheel-which is an old rally sports.

Sleeper you might ask?
Yeah well..
A 60 over 509 blocked 400 with 12,2 true comp.
A mech cam with a 260 0,05 on a 106 LSA.
Ported TFS G2;s
A ported Edel torquer with a massaged 850 AD ontop and a K&N 3" ontop a that in a Moroso lid.
1 3/4 hookers into a true 2,5" dual out of stainless.
Shiftpoint is 7 large ones.
Ohh yes...and a small blue bottle

This all mates into a WCT5 that´s holding up so far at least

What tells the car apart a little-but no one around here understands anyways..-is the 17" wheels from Borbet and the two stainless pipes exiting on the drivers side.
That..and the noise it makes.

Car is truly built as a pro-tourer and i use it to humiliate bimmer M5;s and other crap out on the open freeway.

This summer me and my old lady used it down to Holland,and we had it at 190mph and still accelerating..

 

What kind of gears do you have in that to be doing 190.

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"Rice burners are like tampons...Every pu$$y has to have one"
'86 IROC
T-TOPS, TINTED WINDOWS, BRAKE LIGHT BLACKOUTS
GM GOODWRENCH 350
EDELBROCK TES HEADERS
3" Hooker CatBack w/Aero Chamber muffler
EDELBROCK 600CFM CARB.
KN AIRFILTER
ACCEL HEI DISTRIBUTOR
160* Stat, just switched to 180* b/c of winter coming and going to college in the mts.
3:73 Posi
Rebuilt 700R4
B&M Megashifter, 5" Autometer Tach w/shift lite

 

0,62 5th and 2,73 rear with 265-40-17 goodrich profilers.

 

he meant kilometers

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91 Formula 1LE 1 of 46
305 TPI 5speed
1LE/G92/WS6

Paxton SN92 supercharger(SN93 upgrade), Ford SVO 24#injectors, Crane AFPR,SLP airfoil, ported/polished plenum, March alt. pulley,Crane Gold 1.6rrs,MSD coil,MSD6AL (5200rpm limit),Holley 9mm wires,Ac delco R43ts plugs,custom chip,Bosch O2sensor,SLP 1 5/8" headers,SLP catback,shortened shifter,3:73s w/Auburn posi,170* t-stat,JET 195* fan switch, Macewen white face gauges, Autometer gauges, Zoom hi-performance clutch.

 

Uh, something tells me he meant miles.
If he's bragging about 190 Kilometers per hour, he's easy to excite. 190 Kilometers/H is doable, stock.
I'm a little skeptical about 190 Miles/H, though. That would be pretty hard to do on a public road, european or not.

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No guts, no glory.

 

Nope.
I ment that in miles per hour,and no...
It isn´t especially hard to do.
Going over 300 km/h is something we do on more or less a regular basis within the group.

Seing the setup of the car it´s by all means feasable.
As reaching 270-280 goes in more or less of a hurry,reaching 300..yeah well.
In fact my old lady´s been in the car several times at those speeds.
European roads ain´t all that much better then the US counterparts.
Difference lies in the way we´re brought into driving AND that for instance our roads in this country are long and vast,leaving miles and miles of open road and just you..

 

Speaking of roadholding and speed..
Car sports adj gasfilled Konis all around.
600lbs front springs and 240 out back.
Front bones are held in place by aluminium instead of the OEM rubber deal.
Front sway is a homemade deal at 35 mm and the rear at 30-both adjustable.
Welded in SFC;s and some other small tricks and pieces puts it all together.