What's up guys? Well i've been lookin around the net and in a couple of magazine's and it looks like import drivers are getting smart. In short, basically they are tellin people not to :quote : "rice their cars out" seriously..they're finally coming around. Now on their boards they talk about engine modding as the first step. the last is exterior modifications. I personally think that's cool. Maybe soon it'll just be speed vs. rice instead of domestic vs. import
I myself do not like imports but hey, fast is better than slow.
i hope this doesn't open up a can of worms, just letting everyone know

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1989 307 RS, soon to be 350.
1995 Red T-Top Camaro, 3.73 gear, F.I.P.K. K&N,Flomaster Cat-Back, Gutted Cat...Killer Stereo (Cerwin Vega and Sony Xplode)

 

my bro has a 00' civic and he has lowered it, that was the most appearancish mod he did, which is still performance. he has gotten pretty much every engine bolt on goody there is, and doesnt want a body kit. i think its pretty cool.

 

that is cool to hear that they want to make their engines better. When I see a rice burner my eyes hurt.

 

Yeah, I just got back from NOPI nationals. There were a lot of cars there that would have been cool if they hadn't have put so many extra body panels and spoilers (that is plural, there were a bunch there with a spoiler stacked on another spoiler...sick). But when you actually looked at their engines, you learn that the 200 shot of NOS into a GSR engine inside a 1400-1800 pound car is pretty fast. I will always like American V8s but they really are starting to modify the engines more. The coolest cars there were the ones with all stock body panels and paint with decked out engines (a couple of my buddies have these). There was also 4 thirdgens there. One of them (1989 Firebird w/ ground fx) looked cool but when he parked, he let the hydraulics go to work and left it with the front drivers side wheel about 6 feet in the air, no lie!!! It was gay.

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1990 Formula 350
Hooker Headers, Random Technology Exhaust w/ no cat, K&N, Airfoil, AFPR, MSD 6A Ignition, Performance Resource chip, Metco LCA's w/ brackets, F Body Perf. Panhard Rod and Strut Tower Brace, KYB AGX shocks in the rear, A 3.08, open, drum rear end installed by previous owner (good choice), 1999 Formula Wheels, White Face Guage Overlays

 

damn i never have seen a firebird with hydos, what has this world come too.

 

hey outta curiosity, have you guys ever thought of going through an engine to gain horsepower like import guys have to? ok, they take a 1.6 liter and port/polish everything, max everything to the absolute max. they spend a lot on the littlest things cuz it all adds up for em in the end like $100 plug wires, cold air intakes, performance ignitions. what if you took a 350 and went through it like they do, add a 200 shot of nos. the point is that anything they do, we can do better, just nobody is doing it.

 

unknown_host...what are you talking about? they got all of their ideas from us, we've been porting and polishing for years, using MSD ignitions, hell.. we have had cold air longer than them. My entire intake is ported, my heads are ported, I have ram air, full MSD ignition, etc. it goes on. Maybe its just you that aren't doing these things.

 

Nah, those damn ricers can run when u slap some NOS. It goes like this, we have displacement so they make up for it in NOS and weight. Don't think that our engines would be better, you can't say that because they are totally 2 different parts with different powerbands. I respect a import with speed, and call me gay but those paintjobs in the fast and furious were sweet! I loved the paint on the Supra and the Eclipse. Obviously are cars are only to be had racing stripes but I'm getting a paint job on my car that this mustang has in MM&FF, sweetest paint job ever, like 4 different colors and omg it looks sweet.

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1990 G92 5spd LB9 - 3.42 80,000 miles

Accel Ignition/Wires (8.8mm), Advanced Timing, TB Bypass, Ported and Gasket Matched Plenum, Synthetic Motor Oil, 160 Thermo, TPIS Airfoil, K&N Air Filters, Centerforce I Pressure Plate and Clutch, Edelbrock TES Headers, Dual Cats, Edelbrock RPM Series Catback, Homemade Ram Air, Bosch +4 Platinum Plugs

14.4 @ 94mph w/2.0622 60ft (w/o headers and catback)

14.426 @ 96.19mph w/2.167 60ft(w/headers and catback)

Also newly modded w/o track times:

Holley AFPR, Underdrive Pulleys, KYB Shocks and Struts, Crane Ignition

 

what is this NOS you speak of???

I'm only familiar with N2O, nitrous, or nitrous oxide. Otherwise known as "the bottle", "the squeeze", or "the juice".

Kiddies, let me tell you something about Imports vs. Domestics, first off my best friend has one of the few 1000+ hp Supras in the US. This car has raced and beaten the living crap out of "The fast and the furious supra". Yes the car runs, it runs hard, (F+F supra) but it's not the end-all of import performance. The "Black Car" is full street and has all interior. It also rolls on 19in wheels and tires. I've ridden to Houston from Dallas in this car on more than one occasion.
Secondly, I've seen an American V-8 get beaten by a CRX with a stock 1.5L I-4. Sadly it was a thirdgen, a berlinetta, but still a thirdgen. Power is power, and weight is weight no matter what country the car was assembled in. The supra was built here in Texas by the way. www.powerhouseracing.com
If a car is fast, looks good, or handles well, or has a nice stereo it's cool in my book. It doesnt' matter how many cylinders it may posess. Now, some things just don't work, but as a rule that's my theory. Camry's with fart tips and stickers just don't cut the mustard. But it's all personal preference as far as I'm concerned.
Live and let Live. And eat my dust.

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Cody "cyZ28" Young
'84 black on black Z28

355, 5-speed (on the way out. What goes back in, ooohh baby!!)
http://www.geocities.com/mustang_tbird/codypage.html

 

First off, the second Gen CRX's (88-91) are not slow at all and the first gens (84-87) with a 25 Hp boost will get compareable performance. The second gens run stock 16.5 quarter miles with an 8 in the 0-60 so if you don't respect them they will beat you... Anyhow, this isn't a nitpicking post.

How about the american rice? I've seen so many botched jobs on american cars that I would say its a widespread problem... theres mismatched spoilers (ford probe) and chrome detailing running wild. I have to share a bit of fun I had tonight... My friend and I pull up to this black dodge neon with chrome and tint everywhere... the small spoiler indicates a neon sport and the stereo is blaring... the light turns green and he accelerates at about 75% potential... I launch a little soft, keeping up with him and as soon as he starts to hit 5000 I decide to punch it and I totally dust him in second... my turn for the movie theater comes up and I slow down to turn off while he thinks its "on" and picks up the 2 car lengths and goes speeding past me like he was totally embarrassed. I love doing that... I think I'll challenge him next time with a little revving...

 

NOT SLOW???? 16 second quarter times?

THIS IS PATHETIC!!!!!!!!!!!

What is this world coming to? Man, if you think that a second gen CRX isn't slow, you're crazy. Fellas, if a car doesnt' run at least in the 14's it's crap. And it's not FAST till the 12's. I don't care what it is. And if you get your low ET's from tons of gear that's just crap. If a car won't do 140 it's not worth my time. I do that in 4th of 6 gears. This is rediculous.

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Cody "cyZ28" Young
'84 black on black Z28

355, 5-speed (on the way out. What goes back in, ooohh baby!!)
http://www.geocities.com/mustang_tbird/codypage.html

 

if it won't do 140 why waste your time? when was the last time you got to 140 on the street or in a 1/4 in your car? none of my cars do 140 but i'll race any day.how fast is yours anyways? btw i don't think any car 16 and under is crap. my friends talon ran 16s until he did the studder box mod and got a boost contoller.they just haven't been modified yet. Your 84 probably ran 17s stock didnt it? with that Xfire injection or whatever it had. too bad you don't live near here. i know a crx you won't beat. i didn't mean for this thread to turn into this i was just informing on some of the stuff i've found. but he was talking about 2nd gen crx stock running 16s that's as good as some V8s.

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1989 307 RS, soon to be 350.
1995 Red T-Top Camaro, 3.73 gear, F.I.P.K. K&N,Flomaster Cat-Back, Gutted Cat...Very soon, Centerforce clutch and 100 shot of Nitrous
1998 Ford Ranger 3.0 Cold air intake and flowmaster exhaust.

[This message has been edited by uno (edited September 19, 2001).]

 

Holy **** was I just flamed? Ok, if you drive 140 on public roads you are a lunatic and should be put away... If you look at most V8 thirdgens, stock is about 16-17 with a good driver... or perhaps worse... you want slow, try the quarter in a honda civic wagon... 12.5 0-60 and 18 sec quarter miles under 75 MPH... 16 seconds will still beat most cars on the road and it will glue you to the seat in almost the same fasion as a 14 second car. cy Z28, Get the stick out of your *** and stop acting like a little child.

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1984 Firebird - Daily driver, 305 LG4, T5 - Hurst short shifter, Edelbrock 600 CFM Performer Carb - Edelbrock Pro-Flow air filter, gutted cat, IROC 16x8 Wheels, Goodyear P215/60/R16, AIWA bargain basement (from Sears of course) CD player, Fuzzy dice, Eight-ball shift ****
Check out my ride here $1600!! Bye Bye on board computer!

Kills:
2002 Subaru Impreza WRX Wagon

[This message has been edited by ChillPhatCat (edited September 19, 2001).]

 

Acting like a child? hmmm, I'm simply stating the facts. My car is a multi purpose macine... It's setup to go 180 mph +. Also should see 11 second 1/4's I'm sorry if you think I'm a lunctic then oh well. Guess my drag school attendance and the three day Skip Barber class were useless. And what about my SCCA National Competition License, and the fact that I'm NHRA certified to 8 seconds. Hmmm guess I'm crazy after all.

I thought that racing was about going fast... I guess it's not on this board. Must all be tech. I'm sorry but my car wasnt' ever stock long enough to test that theory. I bought it from a guy a couple blocks over. Two weeks later it had a cracked block. I spent a year building a mild 355 that put me to 13.80 on radials. Now it's four years later and the car's been sitting for more than two. It wasn't fast enough. I wont be happy till I see 9's and 1.2g lateral. Guess I'm insane. cuz my car will be.

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Cody "cyZ28" Young
'84 black on black Z28

355, 5-speed (on the way out. What goes back in, ooohh baby!!)
http://www.geocities.com/mustang_tbird/codypage.html

 

180 my *** This is a third gen we're talking about. The simple fact is that if you have built a car that goes this fast it would now go into the super car class of sportscar and it is now comparing apples and oranges... I sure as hell hope you don't drive like that on public roads, because it is inconsiderate for the lives you might endanger.

My main point is that compared to normal cars, yes we do have fast cars even stock LG4's do better than most of the cars out there.

[This message has been edited by ChillPhatCat (edited September 20, 2001).]

 

well cy z28 i think you need to live on the drag racing board or a drag racing site. if you get 9's out of anything you can drive on the street CONGRATULATIONS but send me a copy of the bill and the inspection sticker.
but for me, 12's are fast. and in my opinion, my vehicles are multi purpose machines, i can drive them on the road and at the track. on the other hand, i think a 9 sec car is a single purpose car, drag racing.

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1989 307 RS, soon to be 350.
1995 Red T-Top Camaro, 3.73 gear, F.I.P.K. K&N,Flomaster Cat-Back, Gutted Cat...Very soon, Centerforce clutch and 100 shot of Nitrous
1998 Ford Ranger 3.0 Cold air intake and flowmaster exhaust.

 

cyz28, you are a beat rag. Your car is SETUP to run 180+ and run 11's . When you actually run these numbers, post again. There is a HUGE difference between being setup to run 11's and actually running 11's. I'm sure everyone with an 11 second car on this site are laughing their a$$es off. As of right now you have high 13's under your belt.



[This message has been edited by Violate 3.8 (edited September 21, 2001).]

 

I checked out his site. Sorry bub, with the mods you have listed 11s are a wet dream. Especially if you're looking for 180+. Hell, with the heads that are on your car the only way you'll get out of the 13s is with a big N2O shot. Oh, and don't expect to have any consistancy with that T56. If you start pushing the numbers to get to 11s, you can also expect to destroy that aluminum driveshaft.

BTW. I do run 11s and I know what it takes to get there. You've made a good start, but there's a ways to go.

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91 Firebird Formula. Converted to carb. Holley 650 dp. 11:1 Forged Flat top pistons. ZZ-9 Cam. Sportsman II Heads.
175 shot N2O, 700r4 w/ 3000 rpm converter and 3.73s in the back. Headers w/ full dual exhaust. 27 inch Hoosiers.

[This message has been edited by Formula-91 (edited September 22, 2001).]

 

uno, you take any car and put in 500hp and it' agonna cost money, I've done what I can with the money I make. Once again I've spent almost every dime i've made from the time I was 17 on this car. Yeah it's alot of money, but to me it's worth it. And the 9's will only happen on the bottle, I know that. I should however run low 11's on the motor. There's no such thing as single purpose cars in my mind.

WTF is a beat rag? you'll be sure that i'll post up my numbers when i get them.

What list of Mods did you look at, what came off the car (before mods) or what's in the car right now? That's the old stuff that I ran 13's with. Oh well. I guess we'll see it when it come about.

Oh, and you'll have a had time running too low of times on the street when you've converted to carb. Get some DFI and a Mini-ram.

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Cody "cyZ28" Young
'84 black on black Z28

355, 5-speed (on the way out. What goes back in, ooohh baby!!)
http://www.geocities.com/mustang_tbird/codypage.html

 

I've seen quite a few monster cars running fast everywhere (street and stip) with a carb, more than EFI for that matter . . .

 

I'm not saying it can' be done, but if you want to retain A/C, powersteering, and drivability, you run dfi, not carbs. That and I should still knock down some kind of freeway mileage. Double overdrive is where it's at.

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Cody "cyZ28" Young
'84 black on black Z28

355, 5-speed (on the way out. What goes back in, ooohh baby!!)
http://www.geocities.com/mustang_tbird/codypage.html

 

You're never going to get "highway mileage" with a 11 second car... maybe 15 MPG

 

That's still better than the 9 I got with the 13 second combo. T-5 and 3.73's and a Quadra junk

 

Maybe not a thirdgen, but there's a guy around here with a 4th gen Z28 that has an LT1 based 401. It runs low 11s NA in the quarter, on a good day just dips in the 10s. On the bottle, it is oh so close to the 9s. It gets 20 mpg in town.

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82 Camaro:350, Erson cam, ported heads,Comp Cams 1.6:1 rocker arms, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, Holley 600cfm, Crane Hi-6 ignition,
TH350 tranny with 2500 stall, Eibach Pro Kit, SLP 1 3/4" headers with 3" Flowmaster exhaust

 

I'm gonna have to agree that 16s are slow and it is possible to have massive hp and still retain a fairly good milege. I know of someone with a 700hp corvette that still gets around 18-20 mpg...its all in how you tune the engine. Also i can think of countless TT/A's and GN's that can run 10s on pump gas and still get 24 mpg.

 

There's a bell curve here that you don't seem to understand... at the 50% mark all the cars run 10 second 0-60's at the upper 1% the cars run 3 sec 0-60's (Mclaren F1 etc.) and at the bottom 1%, cars get 20 second 0-60's (limosines, '64 beetles) so where do almost all thirdgens go? Above the 50% mark... 8 seconds hits around the 60% mark and that is what almost all the base V8's ran stock.

Im sure you COULD get 18 MPG out of 700 Hp, but how much did that engine cost and what is the final gear in that vette? I'll make a slight correction... Most cars with large engines pulling 11 second times will be getting 15 MPG or less max... and that isn't any better than a chevy suburban... I really wouldn't call that highway mileage... you shouldn't even be thinking of going with hard core racing setup if mileage is a goal...

[This message has been edited by ChillPhatCat (edited September 24, 2001).]

 

Yes, but once again. How many 11 second suburbans do you see?

Look I've got a goal. And if I can't do it N/A, then i'll pull out the motor drop the compression, remove the bottle and bolt on a D-1R. Then I'll be goin really fast. I just have a goal to achive, and I'll do what it takes to get there.

I'm only 21 and this isn't my daily driver. It's my first car that is now my passion. I've been told it can't be done by plenty of people on this site. But, several people have told me it can be done. Including quite a few that REALLY know what they're talking about. Not just some "car guys" like most of us. Oh well, If you guys don't like it, then just wait and see. I'll post up times as they come in.

 

I would like to see an 11 second Suburban LOL that would be a feat... I don't want to seem like an *** here, cause I'm sure you can make an 11 second street legal car and it won't be too bad on the wallet... but you're gonna have to sacrifice top speed for that 1/4 time. Good luck with the persuit.

I just get annoyed when a 16 second car is called slow, cause I've driven a slow car and I have to say there is a big difference between an 18 second car and a 16 second car...

 

when I went looking for a "new" car,I analyzed several options....ofcourse I wanted an American muscle car....however there are other alternatives that can't be overlooked. I finally settled on a '93 mitsubishi 3000 GT sl, it's only a 3.0 24valve quad-OHC V6 that will deliver a modest 218 hp,not bad for a stock V6? then the curb wieght is about the same as a firebird....actually I leave thirdgens alone as most leave me alone......it's the eclipses and other riced out "big aluminum wing" exaust tips too big for even a tracor trailer,huge tach,any kind of "all show no go" tactics I feel the need to crush......and taking corners at twice the reasonable speed is still possible.....but enoughs enough...this car won't hold up as well as my trans am did. but fun to drive in it's own unique way

 

Well say what you will, but as far as i'm concerned, and those that I run with. 16 seconds is crap. If you feel differently, then you do. Amongst my circle of friends, i'm the "tech" guy. I'm the one that does most of the tuning, and helps everyone else out. Everything from a 9 second street supra to a 15 second all motor 1.5 CRX with 300ZX, Impala, Neon, a couple mustangs, and two thirdgens in between. In my book, 16 seconds is nothing. My 6 cylinder 97 Fullsive chevy truck pulls a 16.48 in the 1/4. I'm just all about going fast. If 16 is good in your book, I'm happy for you. But i'd have to drop that for me.

 

if we were to consider 16's fast then I am switching back to the cross-fire 305!

I am not intending to flame anyone but everyone says how mucha dog the 305 X-fire was right? Well that was good for low 16's. And TPI wasn't much faster until the later years. A stock LG4 runs about low 17's bone stock.

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I WOULD RATHER PUSH A CAMARO THAN DRIVE AN IMPORT

1983Z28 350w/ edelbrock performer RPM power package , dynomax shorty headers, 700R-4 with shift kit, 750cfm carb, edelbrock 3" exhaust system, 16" IROC rims and ASCD SS hood.

future mods:
completely done over suspension, black paint with flames,
T-56 almost ready to go in, TPI swap coming up

Wifes new car:

95Z28, AT, leather, T-tops bone stock for now.

future mods:
header to tailpipe replacement and a cold air intake. Then I am just going to leave it alone

[This message has been edited by super83Z (edited September 30, 2001).]

 

Thank You!!

 

Guess my point flew straight over your heads... I was simply trying to get the point across that 16 isn't slow... I was not calling 16 fast ugh... Any car that can do 120+ MPH is good in my book... nevermind

BTW a 9 second supra doesn't impress me all that much... Rx7's can do the 1/4 in 9 sec with a lil' 1.2L rotary...

[This message has been edited by ChillPhatCat (edited October 01, 2001).]

 

i have to side with cody on this one. yeah my car used to run 16's but i got tired of that crap quick. i also have a friend with a "street legal" supra, who puts down over 900 at the wheels. yes it is inspected. he also had this built at powerhouse. im just saying that 16s are friggin slow. see you at school on thursday cody

 

Chill, go to the newsstand and pick up the November issue of SportCompact Car. Inside you'll read about a Guy by the name of Steve Kan. His maroon 93 Rx-7 is quite familiar to me. And Steve is a really nice guy. I'm familiar with him. And That my bud in the supra has on more than one occasion called Adam Sauawatari out to a head to head and he backed down. I also know the Team at Jotech Motorsports, home of the worlds fastest unibody Honda. I know what they're capable of, that's not the case. My point is that 16 seconds may kick the **** out of your wife's Camry, but it's nothing in the world of performance cars. Now if you're setup for only RoadRacing and run 16's that's ok. Cuz you'll actually hurt your 1/4 times with most of those mods.

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Cody "cyZ28" Young
'84 black on black Z28

355, 5-speed (on the way out. What goes back in, ooohh baby!!)
http://www.geocities.com/mustang_tbird/codypage.html

 

I have to reply to this topic,16s are fast dependng on the person,my friend has a a 95 civic hatchback which he thinks is insanely fast and he cant get out of the 15s,my car beats him and i think my car is slow,to me a fast car is in the 14s,the type r is running 14.9 i believe,i have raced and beaten those cars which the owners think are so fast,i think its fast for what it is,but i love torque and 4 bangers dont seem to have much of that,i like all cars that are fast.As for doing 180,it is very possible and can be done in a car with under 400hp,its gearing and alot of suspension and aerodynamics work.Its hard to have a car that handles and runs the quarter in the 11s,you have to sacrifice one or the other,it all depends on your passion,i want a car to run 12s but still be able to handle like a true roadcar which my iroc is,they are great roadcars but most stock thirdgen f-bodies in the early 80s will get stomped by the 1.8 v-tech cars which are in the 14s and 15s,i ran a v-tech gsr integra tonight and dusted him,but i have had my a$$ handed to me by a civic hatchback that weighs 2100 pounds and a worked 1.8 v-tech,but dollar for dollar my chevy smallblock will be more productive, imports spend 3 times as much to get the same performance,well enough said,i hoped i made some points.

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1986 IROC,paint code 51, Hypertech Stage 2 chip, 160 thermostat,free mods,hi-flow cat, Flowmaster,2500 stall tc,shift kit,2 inch Moog drop,airoil and k&ns, ltos more soon to come.

[This message has been edited by Camaro Kid (edited October 03, 2001).]

 

Man, if you think a 16 sec car isn't slow, you need to grow up or take a look outside your town. Dogde makes a pickup truck that runs 15s stock. Maximas run 15s stock. Chevy silvarodos run damn near 15s stock. And those are 15 sec cars that will smoke your slow 16 sec car. I hope some punk beats you in his mom's minivan, for thinking 16 seconds is fast. 14s is the cutoff in my mind to consider your car not slow. That weeds out most of the ricers and the guys that run less than 14s or quicker hate the ricers just like we do.

 

Wow I feel so loved sometimes... where does this **** come from? give me a break... WTF is it with some people on here. I don't know how old any of you are, but I'm only 21 and I can see through immaturity like polished glass.

I said a CRX ran 16.5 stock and got completely flamed for saying it was fast. For a stock car that is pretty fast. Look at all the thirdgens here... probably 80% of them ran 16 - 17 in the 1/4 stock. So get off my back! Express your opinions, but don't call mine stupid.

Half of the rubber I've left on the road is because of the hatred and utter disreguard I see every day... man that **** pisses me off.

I would like to see a minivan kick my *** ... that would in fact be entertaining.

 

Look man, I'm also only 21. But I've been street racing and racing professionaly since I was 15. Hell, my dad and grandfather used to take me racing. I've grown up around cars and motorcycles. This is what I do. And I'm telling you, get somebody who has an LS1 on the bottle and have them run you for fun. Then tell me how fast your car "feels" to you. When his tailights disappear, you'll feel real fast then. Anyone who gets on here and says others need to beware of a stock CRX that "run stock 16.5 quarter miles with an 8 in the 0-60 so if you don't respect them they will beat you... " should be driving a Mini-van to soccor practice.

 

I wish people would not read further into my posts than I wrote them... if you READ my original post you flamed me for, I didn't say a stock CRX was a great threat, but any car that runs 16.5 stock can easily be made to run 15's with bolt ons and 14's or lower depending. I did state the stock speed and then I stated they could pose a threat... that was not an if-then-therefore statement.

Ex: IF it runs 16.5 THEN it poses a threat THERFORE you should watch out... maybe you'd be a little more justified... but not quite, you continue to put my opinion down anyhow.

[This message has been edited by ChillPhatCat (edited October 08, 2001).]

 

I agree that a 16 second run is fast for a stock import but pathetic for an fbody or any other V8. Up here 4800ft 14/16's are the range for a mildly built 350. Most ricers run 15/17 depending on mods. I saw a geo metro stripped laying down 12's with N20. I was impressed he was running 1.2 faster than my camaro and 0.05 slower than my truck. I was totaly impressed! In lower altitue this guy would be hitting the 10's possibly high 9's.

But the reason these rice grinders can run this well is simple. We all know that ricers dont make any TQ, thier fast revving engines. Well not so fast revving its just thier design allows more safe high rpm potential than our v8's. this is where N20 comes into play, as we all know juice helps these cars reach higher rpm quicker and thats how we get a 12 second *****. Its like n20 was made just for ricers because it works better for thier applications.

Im still waiting for the day a N/A IL4 can keep up with a 350. It would be interesting to see an evenly hp for weight match up. That means thses cars need exactly XXX amount of hp to pull its own weight no more no less. As even as possible. Lets line these suckers up and then see what goes!
SSC

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85 Camaro, 355/400 "drag car" in moth ***** 13.1@ 101mph on its last season run.
Plans: Possibly add N20 for next season.
82 Firebird, 305/350 currently moth balled.
Current plans: Rebuild 305 with flat tops instead of the dished "cups" for pistons or slightly built 327 with the 58cc heads from the LG4, Upgrade the 2:73 to 3:73 or 3:42 and replace the turbo 350 with 700r4.


"Web site under construction"

G0D Bless.

 

"Im still waiting for the day a N/A IL4 can keep up with a 350. It would be interesting to see an evenly hp for weight match up. That means thses cars need exactly XXX amount of hp to pull its own weight no more no less. As even as possible. Lets line these suckers up and then see what goes!"

You run what you brung...

SPOOM
92 TSi fwd

 

I have to agree with ChillPhatCat that you all are a bunch of *****.
Yeah, fast quarter mile times are cool, but drag racing is so one dimensional. Build a really fast drag car and you can't turn corners really well. Just ask John Force.
"But,' you say,'solid axle cars don't corner well anyway,' Go talk to Jeff Gordon or Kyle Petty about their last trip to Watkins Glenn.
I also suggest some reading before your next bench-racing session. The October issue Of Hot Rod features a 234 mph, 371 ci, stock bodied '82 Camaro. It wouldn't do well at the drag strip, 'cause you have to push start it.
In the same issue is an example of painstakingly sorting and precisely tuning an engine: 289 Ford that makes 352 HP with a two barrel carb and 87 octane gas.
Finally check out the September issue of Car&Driver for some really hard core sports cars. All of these cars are 12 second quarter milers, but they can corner and brake at over 1.0 G. I'm saving for the Factory Five Daytona.
There, that's my two cents.

PS: It must be nice to be 21 and have the time and money for driving school. At 21, I had to work too hard to keep the rent paid.

[This message has been edited by SpeedCat86 (edited October 10, 2001).]

 

you have got to be kidding me...youre jumping all over chill just cuz he said that a ->STOCK CRX<- isnt slow?! and then you have the audacity to present the situation in your quote above...how in the hell do you see the logic in that...now i agree that 16 seconds isnt fast, but it certainly isnt slow, and hes talking about a 10+ year old stock vehicle that wasnt made to be drag raced...how does racing a crx, running 16's in any way equate to racing an LS1, NOS equipped?...thats pretty damn far from stock if you ask me...i think you need to take the blinders off, cuz your vision has been narrowed, just a wee bit...

 

displacement matters?
ok, why are stock based 3.0 liter supras running low 8s in the 1/4 then?

Try doing that with an L98 or LS1. You couldnt! You'd have to have forced induction. And the amount of boost you would need to get in the 8s would require forged pistons.

tsk tsk rednecks




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91 Formula 1LE 1 of 46
305 TPI 5speed
1LE/G92/WS6

Paxton SN92 supercharger(SN93 upgrade), Ford SVO 24#injectors, Crane AFPR,SLP airfoil, ported/polished plenum, March alt. pulley,Crane Gold 1.6rrs,MSD coil,MSD6AL (5200rpm limit),Holley 9mm wires,Ac delco R43ts plugs,custom chip,Bosch O2sensor,SLP 1 5/8" headers,SLP catback,shortened shifter,3:73s w/Auburn posi,170* t-stat,JET 195* fan switch, Macewen white face gauges, Autometer gauges, Zoom hi-performance clutch.

 

So you're saying because they use a smaller engine they're faster? hmm that would in fact go against the laws of physics, I guess rednecks are good at physics then eh? How about you think before you speak there...

Our engines are bigger and beefier... the only reason N2O works so well on imports is because they make power up to 8000 + RPM and that is where the N2O works the best. However, if we slapped on the equivelent in supercharger, we would be running similar times. I am very suspect to 8 second Supras with affordable engines... you're talking 300 Hp boosts of N20 there, I doubt the engine would go without a rebuild for more than a few races... if you didn't bust the block... You would need to seriously beef up that engine.

 

Retard. Craig Paisley is running 8.62@155mph on a 50,000 mile engine. internally stock. Heads have never been off the car. Go do some research and find out for yourself
. Like I said, hillbillies are stuck in their ways.

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In a 300z now fellas. haha
91 Formula 1LE 1 of 46
305 TPI 5speed
1LE/G92/WS6

Paxton SN92 supercharger(SN93 upgrade), Ford SVO 24#injectors, Crane AFPR,SLP airfoil, ported/polished plenum, March alt. pulley,Crane Gold 1.6rrs,MSD coil,MSD6AL (5200rpm limit),Holley 9mm wires,Ac delco R43ts plugs,custom chip,Bosch O2sensor,SLP 1 5/8" headers,SLP catback,shortened shifter,3:73s w/Auburn posi,170* t-stat,JET 195* fan switch, Macewen white face gauges, Autometer gauges, Zoom hi-performance clutch.

 

Guess I should stop looking at this post cause there is a whole lotta ignorance in this room. I don't give a damn personally about Supras.. but I did a little research just to help the confusion.

Now I recall you saying something about having to use forced induction on a thirdgen to even come close to this Supra's mid 8 seconds.... well lets see here... everybody see those gigantic turbos in the pic I posted? Yes, the engine is stock... those turbos are definitely not!



Here are the mods and a direct quote from the racing team:

World Fastest Toyota Supra
Best E. T. 8.72 Second
Best MPH 158 M.P.H.
Wieght 2900lbs
Engine Size 183 Cubic Inch
780 Horsepower

"The air is fed into the motor by an HKS twin turbo upgrade and is cooled by an HKS intercooler. Our fuel is injected into the motor through 720cc injectors mated to an HKS fuel rail. As you can see there are no big secrets about what we are using, as these parts are available directly to the end user threw Paisley Automotive. The engine that we have in the car is completely STOCK. As a matter of fact the engine has over 50,000 miles on it and the head has never been off."

Shut up you face! LOL

Who knows how long the engine will last, but holy **** man you're talkin out of your *** ...

[This message has been edited by ChillPhatCat (edited October 15, 2001).]

 

Man, I'm getting bored with this topic.

Yes, it is nice to be 21 and have all that time on my hands. As I've been a full-time student since hmmm, kindergarten. And I've worked atleast 40 hrs a week since my Junior year of HS. But it does suck to live with your partents at 21. I dont' have rent. All I pay is a truck pmt/insurance, a cell, and car parts. We all have to make our sacrifices. I don't have the freedom, but I've got more horsepower than you.

Chill, if you think that only 6 and 4 cylinders respond to Nitrous and Turbos, lets look a Pro Street racers Tony Christian and Bob Reiger. Reiger is turbo'ed and runs faster on less cubes than everyone else in ProStreet. I spend a considerable amount of time with CMS Racing, Tony's team. His crew-cheif is who setup my gears and my pinion angle. Reiger is faster than Christian, he knows it. The only way he (and teammate Cody Mac) can beat Riger is to "tree" him or Reiger breaks something. These cars run LOW 6 second 1/4 times at over 200 mph.

Look I'm not gonna sit here and brag about who I know or what I do. I'm closing my aspect of this topic with this:

An engine is an air pump.
in takes "X" amount of air to make "X" hp.
if you can push 700 hp of air into an engine of 2.0L or an engine of 6.0L you're still making 700hp.
Add a chassis and some sticky tires, you go
add a lighter chassis and some sticky tires you go faster.

I'm Done, some of you guys just don't get it.

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'84 black on black Z28

355, 5-speed (on the way out. What goes back in, ooohh baby!!)
http://www.geocities.com/mustang_tbird/codypage.html

 

All I said was that little engines make Hp at higher RPMs so they do respond better to nitrous than our 5+ liter low revving V8 engines. I haven't been out to instigate a fight here at all, I TRY to get along with everyone and I don't like to get defensive, but I feel a great need to clarify what is so often misinterpreted... Yes, I agree that getting X amount of air through a small engine is the same as getting it through a big engine, but look at it this way:

A four cylinder (1.8L) engine makes 120 N/A Hp and we force 300 Hp extra air into it... we get 420 Hp.

An eight cylinder (5.0L) engine makes 250 N/A Hp and we force the same 300 Hp extra air in and we'll get 550 Hp.

By starting with a bigger engine, it takes less forced induction to get to that 420 Hp or if you add the same amount you get more power overall.