Ok, there is this kid at skool always talkin $h!t about how his auto Talon TSI Turbo AWD(I think it's '92 or '93, all I can remember was that it is a 1st generation, the boxy lookin ones) can beat anything, he claims he'll have a(and I quote) "3G supercharger" , if he means it costs that much or that's a brand, I don't know. Anyway, assuming he's stock, what are my chances of showing him up? My setup is an '87 Z28 305 TPI, K&N, JET airfoil, 700R4 w/2.73 gears, 3 inch American Thunder Flowmaster w/gutted cat. If it makes a difference(I hope), my car has been tuned up, so it's not in BAD shape or nething(got it in August). We changed oil, oil filter, normal filter w/K&N's, fuel filter(had a problem with the tank, had it cleaned and she runs strong now, no more starving for gas, had dirt in it or something), checked brakes, alignment, flush rad, the usual. Stil kinda idles a lil rough( a LITTLE, but I guess that's since she's 15 years old...). Basically, what I'm saying is my car runs GOOD in my opinion for how old it is, no smoke when it starts cold, and no smoke when you get on WOT. So what would my chances be of kicking his @ZZ?

 

I had the 305 TPI in my Iroc and it's an 87, I think the talon will beat you, only because of your 2.73's and an auto tranny. I have 3.45's and a 5 speed and have raced lots of TSI talons(various years) and never caught them till like top 2nd or 3rd gear. but the one thing they have over you will be bottom end take off. AWD ain't that a b!tch!

 

He has an auto too, that doesn't help me at all??? And I thought the huge torque that my car makes would help me off the line if I get a good launch? I'm talking street race here, prolly stop light to stop light...

 

I think you will lose alos if he has a 3k supercharger in it like he states. If its just stock mostly, then a closer race.

 

hes gonna supercharge a turbo talon? do any kits even exist for that? regardless, if it is a turbo talon itll probably munch you, awd and a high power to weight. if ou had 3.27's or 3.45's youd take him in a stoplight race, but you may well have the advantage in top speed, where awd is more of a hindrance than an advantage, more rotating mass in the drivetrain makes top speed lower. but i n the 1/8th and maybe 1/4, hell probably rape you. not that you couldnt pull it off, if he cant drive and you can. if its not a turbo car, youll mouth rape him but if its turbo'd you might tke him, but my money would be on him. good luck

 

I wanna make it absoloutely clear that he has an auto tranny and it's a FIRST gen talon. That is still actually that fast/good? And i seriously doubt he's getting that new turbo or whatever...

 

1st gen turbo awd talons were good for high 13's bone stock, if its even slightly modded itll tear yyou. first gens were the fastest stock, but they were least reliable of the three. if hes getting a bigger turbo wtch out. the auto wont do anything but allow less driver error. its more consistent, if hes got so much as intake and exhaust hell run probably mid 13's auto, probably be good for low 13's manual. your auto 305 tpi was rated at i believe 190 horse and probably ran about a mid 15 stock. if its in top notch and modded a bit youll break 14's. i say again, if its a turbo youll lose. if its not turbo, it might be close but youll probably beat him.

 

Huh??? You're at least a second too fast with that number there... A stock 5spd Turbo AWD Talon/Eclispe/Laser is good for around a low 15 bone stock on average. The auto tranny equiped version will be considerable slower. I hesitate to quote a number since I don't recall anymore as I was totally not interested in the autos while I was checking out these cars. I want to say around high 15s... About like your car.

They can go pretty quick with very few mods though, like most other turbo cars. You can gain alot of power in them for nearly free by coming up with a homemade way to up the turbo psi a bit... With the AWD they can also rip you a new ******* off the line if they take advantage of it. With the auto it's alot harder to take advantage of the AWD though... Especially stock, he'll very likely bog badly. You need the 5spd in these cars to get the most of the AWD's launch capability (rev to 4500 at least, basically dump the clutch...) You simply can't get off hard enough with a stock auto car to not bog... Of course he is NOT going to spin, where as you stand a good chance of blowing the race at the launch with tire spin...

If he's really stock with an auto you actually might stand a chance. If he does have a few mods, especially if he has a bigger turbo you literally have no chance in hell unless his car is totally screwed tuning wise (there are a couple turbos that are similarly named to what it sounds like he was trying to imply he had, a 16G Turbo and a 20G turbo for instance). Since he didn't get it right I'm betting he was BSing...

If he's stock and doesn't launch too well and you do you stand a great chance of pulling off the win. I wouldn't put money on it though... Go for it and let us know.

 

I thought TSI AWD Turbo Talons' only came with 5-speeds? The reason for this bieng AWD good for high RPM launch, which an auto can't do.

 

hey dont forget AWD also helps in road racing sometimes or rally racing

 

Maybe he didn't have the AWD... I don't quite remember...

 

We're not road racing or autoX-ish racing, it's gonna be old fashioned inline speed

 

from what ive seen at the track, turbo talons run high 14s with a stick and a good driver. This guy with an auto trans will probably be in the mid - low 15 range. A auto 305 tpi is good for high - mid 15s. with your mods, it'll be a close race. if he has AWD, you may have a problem. To get a better launch, drop your rear tire pressure to anywhere beween 20 & 25 PSI. i run 1.9 60 fts with 25 PSI on stock radials in my Vette. Good luck with the race.

 

LMAO! Guess what just happened today? The kid with the Talon Turbo AWD(got a good look at it today) was in the parkinglot after skool, so I had him rev it to redline... he obviously doesn't have a blowoff/letoff valve. But the kicker is... he got a ticket after skool today for doing 39 in a 25 hehehe, I just thought it was funny as hell...

 

the 3 g turbo, could be a $3000 turbo (which doesn't make sense since a whole kit for my civic costs about that) so he probably has a t3 turbo (size) which is good size (but close to stock) if you didn't hear a blowoff valve, then its probably stock, b/c they were made to be quieter.
imo it sounds like its pretty close to stock, so it would be a close race
and btw, ive heard that the talon/eclipse awd were good for mid to high 14's
and also, if the car hasn't been repainted, and its an early model, the way to tell, is that they only came in 3 color combos:
white/grey lower
black/grey lower
dk blue/grey lower

 

costill91Z: It's one of the later 1st gens, it's ALL white with gray lettering for the "16 Valve DOHC Turbo All Wheel Drive" on the side(not sure if I got the valve and cam thing right... but something like that...). He's got one of those ***** mufflers on it, all polished with a big like 4 inch tip... I guess that's his "performance" exhaust... hehehe.

 

im not real big on some of the exhaust tips that they have out there now. i used to have about a 4" slashed tip on my old accord, and it looked ok, but now i prefer a smaller, cleaner looking tip on imports. you have to choose your tip based on the car you have. i dont even have one on the civic, b/c i dont want it to be deafening like the accord was, plus, my money goes into the z now,
those dsm turbos respond well to exhaust/intake mods, b/c of the forced induction. if you are smart with those cars,they can run into the 12's for very little $
i think it would be a close race, but i hope you hand him his *** since he was talking ****. i hate that about some modders

 

If the Talon is the turbocharged and intercooled model, then no, you wouldn't be able to beat him in my humble opinion. However, if he's talking about getting a supercharger for his Talon, then how could it be turbocharged? But then again, Talon TSI's WERE turbocharged. So I'm confused.

Did you see The Fast and the Furious? Not too many of those ricers would have been fast at all if it weren't for having two huge bottles of nitrous and two stages. And even in the movie, they were blowing up their engines.

BEWARE of a challenge to race for car titles. If he's turbocharged, you're already going to lose. But even if he's not, he could still be packing nitrous, in which case, that's just like having a strong turbo.

I used to eat those guys alive in my modified Shelby Charger. Where the Talons are tough are on the launch. They have a great launch and good 60 foot times. But they are short-geared, so if you have a car with longer legs and an engine that'll rev very well, you can shut them down. The Shelby would get them in second and third gear, but in 4th and 5th, whatever gains I got on them they could maintain, but NOT catch up. Usually that was a good block or two.

But then again, when the 350 IROC's came out, I could run with those too. So I think some IROC's and GTA's could take a turbocharged Talon (without nitrous). But not a 305 engined F-body!

 

1986 IROC-Z
Tuned Port 355, 10:1, 350hp/400 lb-ft

1968 Corvette Convertible
630hp/600lb-ft 427 BBC

1968 Pontiac Firebird
500hp/522lb-ft 465 Poncho

Looks like u are a dude that likes to mod cars!! What do they run?? Daily drivers?? U must like driving around on the street and looking for races.

 

Oh man, I love to race.

Believe it or not, the Firebird's been a daily driver along with the Corvette for most of the year last year. However, the Vette still had the small block 355 that now resides in my IROC. The big motor is still in the engine stand waiting for me to save up that last grand to finish everything I need to drop it in.

The Bird is fun. Gawd it has a lot of power. Even up here at a mile in altitude, it's a ground pounder. The Pontiac 455 had a lot of untapped potential. It makes huge torque, and it reaches it's torque peak at only 3500 rpm. I enjoy playing with cars that think they have a chance. I'll run with them while they accelerate as hard as they can, and then I bury the pedal and suck the paint off their doors going by. Totally pisses them off.

When the 355 was in the Corvette, I could take a Lotus Esprit without much competition. I also took on a Maserati Biturbo up to 130, and totally buried it. Once I jumped a Porsche 911 turbo, probably caught him in his turbo lag, and dusted him up to 110 from 55 mph before he was able to take me. I knew that was coming, I just wanted to see how good they were up to 100.

I gotta get me a radar detector though!

 

Sorry, you asked what they run.

The Corvette with the 355 small block ran a best mile high quarter of 14.9 seconds at 101.2 mph on street tires with 3.36 gears on a Muncie wide ratio M20 tranny.
That engine's in the IROC now.

I never ran the Firebird, but it honestly feels like low 13 seconds on street rubber, probably somewhere in the 12's with good drag tires on the 3.08 rear end. This is uncorrected.
How do I qualify that?
I know this doesn't mean much, but I beat a supercharged Mustang GT with drag radials on that had just run at Bandemere at 5,800 ft ASL and still had 13.48 seconds written on his windshield. I had street tires on and we went up to way over 100 mph. And this was before my 3800 stall converter and ratchetting shifter, which lets me control my gears and get a better launch.
I am saving up for a Ford 9 inch that I'll put 3.90 gears in.
Next step is a 200 hp shot of nitrous.

Maybe then I'll be somewhere in the 11's.

The Corvette with the big block isn't being built for drag racing, it's being built for road course racing and track racing, but I'd be surprised if it doesn't manage an 11 second quarter too.
It should theoretically have a top speed of 185 mph on the non-overdriven Muncie 4-speed.
The Silver State Classic is my dream to race in this car...with the top down.

 

NEway, here's an update. I talked to a guy at skool, he's pretty much the fastest guy in skool right now with a '00 Civic Si with Jackson S/C, NOS system(but currently no bottle), DC Sports Exhaust, AEM intake, etc etc running in the 13's, and he said that Jon (the dude with the '93 Turbo AWD Talon *AUTO*) asked him if he could gut his cat, hack the MAF, and pump up his boost for 100$, so OBVIOUSLY he just doesn't know enough too much. I mean, he gets the jist of it, but he can't even do it himself... I told him what I got, and he was like "Nah, you could beat him cause he doesn't know anything... and isn't really a good driver..." And there's another dude with an '80 or so Z28, they supposedly droped in a 'new engine' and he runs like 16.7, he thinks with a new rear end he can get 13.30. I was like WTF EVER, with gears and posi alone that may shave a second or so, but with gears and posi I don't think it can honestly shave 3 whole seconds.... so he thinks i can beat him (2nd gen Z28 guy) and this other dude with a '99 Civic Si with intake.. mainly cause he can't drive worth $h!t... he was beaten buy an Isuzu Rodeo... hehehe...

 

I dunno.
Try it and see. Maybe see if you can get him to give you a ride "to see how powerful his ride is", and you can get an idea how that feels to you.
Good luck.