How do you get this thing, I searched all the posts and got two different numbers........... the one was for a "front fender" and the other was a "pulley for a newer impala"!!!!! Whats the deal with that? Has anybody every actually ordered this part? and if so can they get the number....... Oh yea and the pulley for the newer impala was like $65, so i want to make sure i have the right number before i order...... and also, I KNOW ABOUT THE TECH ARTICLE ABOUT RE ROUTING THE SERP. BELT...... I think that is kinda of ghetto though and is not gonna happen, so please dont tell me about it anybody order this part before???

 

I do not want to **** you off, but the only person that will know that you rerouted your belt will be you. No one else will even notice, and the engine looks cleaner with less crap hanging off of it. Thats just my opinion, I am sorry if you did not want to hear that.

nick

 

The part number I have in my spreadsheet is: 10186167

I have not actually ordered this part, though. Hopefully some other people will post if this is correct or not.

 

I've seen the pulley used in place of the smog pump, but I removed my pump and didn't even need an extra pulley, just a shorter belt

 

You don't need a delete pully. Just do whats in the tech artical. It's not "ghetto" it is the exact same thing as having a delete pully.

 

The main reason that i dont want to do it is that i like the least amount of "ghetto" mods to my car....... basically, if i got to autozone and buy a new belt for an 88 350 Iroc, I better dam get a belt that works......... Imagine if the guy you bought your car from did that re route crap and didnt tell you and u didnt visit this site!!!! youd be astonished......... anyways anybody order this part before?????

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Brian'sIROC
I've seen the pulley used in place of the smog pump, but I removed my pump and didn't even need an extra pulley, just a shorter belt [/QUOTE

actually you need to use a longer belt and re route the belt for it to work properly otherwise you run the risk of the the belt touching itself near the waterpump pulley and the tensioner

 

People have been re-routing belts around smog pumps for years. It's not going to trick or surpise the car's next owner. It's no brain teaser to see that the pump is gone. It's also no brain teaser to compare the belt routing pictured under your hood to the actual belt routing without the smog pump. When you want to replace the belt, simply take it in the parts store and compare it for the right size or just take the number of the belt. No gheto rigging, and it looks just fine.

 

I think he was dropped on his head by his ghetto crack mama when he was young.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 89ProchargedROC

Quote:

Originally posted by Brian'sIROC
I've seen the pulley used in place of the smog pump, but I removed my pump and didn't even need an extra pulley, just a shorter belt [/QUOTE

actually you need to use a longer belt and re route the belt for it to work properly otherwise you run the risk of the the belt touching itself near the waterpump pulley and the tensioner

Actually, I needed a shorter belt. The instructions on this site called out a certain belt number that didn't work. Maybe It's because I have underdrive pulleys. Anyway I routed the belt as decribed in this site's tech articals, and it ended up being about an inch and a half shorter.

 

yes, it is because of your under drive pullies

just trying to clarify so no one gets confused

 

I think it depends on if the car is a Firebird or Camaro. Because when I removed my smog pump, I actually didnt reroute the belt at all, it follows the exact same path with the exception that the smog pump pulley isn't there anymore. This of course meant that I needed a shorter belt, because the original one was so long that the tensioner wouldn't even adjust far enough to put any tension on it.

Remember the alternator and A/C compressor I believe switch places between a Camaro and a Firebird.

 

well i know what your saying, I put the smog pump delete pulley in mine, I m not sure of the number, cause someone posted a wrong number, its been awhile but when I went to the chevy dealer to get it, it was one that was a pulley for a caprice. Don't worry about what these guys are saying, It does look cleaner having a pulley there, than just a big open gap. Remember it's your car, hook it up the way you want it.

 

firebirds have changed the location of alternator maybe around 1989? maybe that's why smog pump delete is not same with every TPI cars. the route and lenght of the belt may vary?



-P (just confusing some more)

 

my 89 firebird and my 90 iroc have identical pully setups

 

OK, here is an image of my belt routing:



The red line is the stock belt routing. The section in blue is where the belt goes when the smog pump is removed. To keep your tensioner in the same position a shorter belt is needed to take up the slack. At least it was on my car.

 

That is one sexxy TPI engine, can i have it?

 

DaMn fine looking motor


one would say its ghetto fab-u-luss heheheh

 

Thanks for the comments, but no you can't have it.

It just wish I could figure out a way to keep it that clean once it's in the car. Oh well.:lala:

 

i just saw onw of those smog delete pullies on ebay the otherday but it ended

 

I used a belt for a 1993 Chevy C1500 truck. Get one for AC, PS, NO A.I.R. It was a little tight going on, but it worked great.

 

scott posted the right number......import do what you like and listen to know one.

it works, looks great, and most of all leaves everything stock....or somewhat.

it took me forever to find the answer, alot of people tried to push me to change the belt......alot of people i know did the belt thing. now they wish they went my route.

go for it!

 

Well guys, I understand how to re-route my belt, but could someone save me the time of trial and error, and tell me the belt number, for use with the three piece March underdrive pulley set.

 

yes i deleted my smog pump and i have the march pullies and i use a belt that is 93.0 inches long any brand will do
on the belt it will say 930
i think that is right

 

Thanks for the info, it should save a lot of time....

 

if its too late, maybe it will help the next guy. the pulley\bracket combo that takes the place of the missing air pump has a g.m. part #10129569 it really is doing duty as an idler pulley. the belt no longer wraps around it as it did with the air pump. its in place to break up the span of belt that is now very long, in between the a\c compressor and the c-shaft. too many harmonics without it in place. ever see a late 80's or early 90's vette water pump? same idea. the 2 bolts that fasten the pulley to to the main bracket have gm part#11514317 (2 required) hope it helps. and yes it is a part that might be found on certain export gm impalas.

 

Depending on what you local emissions requirements are there might be another approach. I have a '89 350 TPI in a '57 Chevy with the stock Camaro serpentine system including the smog pump and GM A/C compressor. I removed the pump and disassembled it and removed the vanes on the internal shaft. These are easily broken off with a hammer and chisel and the pieces removed including the small bearings that were attached to the vanes. Once this is done, you can lubricate the internal bearing good with a quality wheel bearing grease and reassemble the smog pump. Once in place, it looks to be functional but now simply acts as a pulley and the stock belt routing stays in place and the stock length belt works. I have put several thousand miles on this pump without any trouble.

 

No one get upset!!!

I really want to remove my A.I.R. pump to clean up the engine compartment. It just looks hidious under there with all the tubes/pumps. So I wanna know what when I remove all of the the stuff will I need to buy anything because I removed the pump?? Meaning new throttle body or headers or something like that the post ran off before.

Sorry if I confused anyone!

 

grumpygreaseape is correct the correct part number is 10129569. It is the same pulley used in place of the smog pump on GMPP's Sepentine Belt Assemblies which are the same setup as ours. I confirmed this at the dealership before ordering mine.

 

haha-just to add more fun to the fire, ya'll did know that right around mid or early 89 that the general pulled a fast one and did change the routing of the belt on our cars. everything stayed in the same place but the serp. belt ran around the pulleys differently. AND that change resulted in a DIFFERENT length belt being required. just hoping everyone is comparing apples here, because i feel that there may be an orange or two rolling around in the basket. you can route the belt on any car either way but each way will require the correct belt. and you know, the difference in length of the belt is about an inch or 2. just enough to **** you off.

 

No they don't.

70something SBC to 87 used a PS alternator, DS A/C.

88-92 V8 used DS alternator and PS A/C.

grumpygreaseape - got pics? How do they compare to Scott 88 GTA's stock routing pic? ---

 

hey whazzup the routing in the picture is the older version of routing, what gm called "tight side belt routing" the 89 and later is called "slack side routing" and i cant post a picture right now but i will try to snap a shot of one in the lot so it can help out. btw its tsb# 89-17-6b if anyone has access to see it. i gotta work now. later on

 

I have bought one they said when I ordered mine they have to oder it as a special (foreign part number). They must order it this way or it wont be the right part or it will say it doesnt exist. Ill have to check on the part number and post it if I can find it lol/

 

um the # is here already, my man. it aint a special part, it is in every serp. accessory drive kit that gm sells thru gmpp :rockon:

 

Not to be rude you have the right # but I have ordered it and do have one in place of my smog pump so I think I know what Im talkin about. It maybe true you can order through gmpp but if you order as just a part it must be odered as a gm exported car part. Because it was used on most exported gm cars that didnt require a smog pump, it saved gm money. I rember the computer name for it was just "idler pulley." The ordering of exported car parts somehow must be ordered through a different process. I know this because at first my gm dealer said that it was a bad number and no part of that existed until they found how they had to order it correctly.

 

well ok i must have been hallucinating on friday when the delco warehouse driver walked into my shop and put yet another 10129569 on the desk and then i signed for it. delco warehouse same place the dealers get their stock from. been doin this for way too long pallie, you can believe me that gmpp or the word import never ever came up. thats what your particular counterman told you but its totally irrelevant to procuring this part. a part # is a part #. very simple as it is meant to be.