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Old Apr 28, 2003 | 11:12 PM
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Ok, I have my plenum off for some porting and gasket matching to my SLP runners.. Im also putting in a AFPR, my question is, I took the bolts off the driver side runner and it moves but won't come out, it's hitting something, I think the injector walls, where the injector goes into the intake manifold... Any ideas????


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Old Apr 28, 2003 | 11:35 PM
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there is another torx bolt that is by the dist. but the head is pointing toward the pass. side ( I----- ) not like the actual noticable bolts that point toward the drivers side ( -------I ) it is difficult to see but you can reach it with a swivel, long extension, rachet, and torx socket. email me at aekr17@aol.com if u need more help.
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Old Apr 29, 2003 | 12:13 AM
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All 5 bolts on lower porshin of runner are removed.. it is completly seperated from the manifold(about an inch away from where it would usually sit) it moves quite a bit, just doesn't wanna come out..
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Old Apr 29, 2003 | 12:59 AM
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Pull the fuel rail up a little bit to aid in removing the runners.
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Old Apr 29, 2003 | 11:31 AM
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You are hitting the fuel rail with one of the bolt bosses on the runners. You may have to loosen the rails and pull them up a little (not off) to clear them.
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Old Apr 29, 2003 | 11:48 AM
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thanks

Thanks I'll try that here shortly.. I was going to do that anyways, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something...
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Old Apr 29, 2003 | 01:25 PM
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I couldn't get my driver side SLP runner on or off with the fuel rail bolted down. I had to lift it to get the runner out. I think it was the driver side. In any case, one of the 2 sides needs the rails to be lifted up a tad.
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Old Apr 29, 2003 | 07:01 PM
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Did any one else have metric bolts holding their fuel rails down? And the one on the back is striped out a little.. great................................
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Old Apr 29, 2003 | 08:36 PM
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Everything on the induction is metric except the distributer bolt and EGR bolts.
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Old Apr 29, 2003 | 08:58 PM
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These are the first metric bolts I have found on the car..
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Old Apr 30, 2003 | 06:11 AM
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Re: metric

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These are the first metric bolts I have found on the car..
Then you havent worked on it to much!
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Old Apr 30, 2003 | 09:24 AM
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Re: Re: metric

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Then you havent worked on it to much!
:sillylol:

I think the ONLY american bolts left on the car are the ones that hold something to the engine block.
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Old Apr 30, 2003 | 09:41 AM
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Re: Re: metric

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Then you havent worked on it to much!
Do the sizes 7mm, 10mm, and 13mm sound familiar?
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Old Apr 30, 2003 | 03:29 PM
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Re: Re: metric

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Then you havent worked on it to much!

Havn't worked on it to much....? lol, hahahaha... Thats funny... there just isn't very many metric bolts on my car....

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Old Apr 30, 2003 | 03:36 PM
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there just isn't very many metric bolts on my car....
Yeah, you must have some special "americanized" edition that nobody else in the world has. Your car has all the same size stuff ours has. Maybe you just haven't figured out yet why your sockets don't quite fit.

dude, why do you have to attach a pic of your car in every single post? It makes it slower than sh*t for those of us on dial up and it wastes server space.

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Old Apr 30, 2003 | 06:43 PM
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Originally posted by Jim85IROC
Yeah, you must have some special "americanized" edition that nobody else in the world has. Your car has all the same size stuff ours has. Maybe you just haven't figured out yet why your sockets don't quite fit.

dude, why do you have to attach a pic of your car in every single post? It makes it slower than sh*t for those of us on dial up and it wastes server space.
:withstupid: on both counts. Good thing i'm in position to delete attachments wasting server space and bandwidth.
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Old May 1, 2003 | 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by Jim85IROC
Yeah, you must have some special "americanized" edition that nobody else in the world has. Your car has all the same size stuff ours has. Maybe you just haven't figured out yet why your sockets don't quite fit.

dude, why do you have to attach a pic of your car in every single post? It makes it slower than sh*t for those of us on dial up and it wastes server space.
I work on jets for a living believe me I know my tools... I think the guy that had it before me switched alot of stuff out, cause I find missing bolts all the time... Sorry about the pics when I send stuff from my work computer it doesn't show that im attaching a picture I'll check next time sorry again....Later
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Old May 1, 2003 | 04:35 PM
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You might work on jets for a living, but Jim and i have been around these cars since the mid 90s and beyond. You're not getting anywhere working on one of these cars without a 7, 10 and 13mm sockets, as well as the occasional oddball 8mm. Thats why we thought it was funny you'd say these are the first metric bolts you've found, because unless all you did on the car was change oil, there is simply no way you weren't turning metric bolts. I cannot think of a single operation you could perform on a thirdgen without finding 99% metric fasteners. Off the top of my head, i think even the heavy suspension stuff is metric - Basically, if it doesn't thread into a piece of american cast iron on one of these things, it's a metric bolt. And it's not like someone could have switched all the metric bolts out for standard, if you work on jets for a living surely you realize that metric and standard threads won't play well. While a 9/16 - 14mm and 1/2 -12mm, etc are pretty close on a wrench, the bolts have nothing in common on the thread end.

I'm not sure what the thread size is on the fuel rail hold down, but the runner bolts are all M8x1.25. If you want to make TPI R&R a lot easier on yourself, run a tap through all the holes while you have it apart to clean 'em up.
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Old May 1, 2003 | 04:54 PM
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Originally posted by Ed Maher
You might work on jets for a living, but Jim and i have been around these cars since the mid 90s and beyond. You're not getting anywhere working on one of these cars without a 7, 10 and 13mm sockets, as well as the occasional oddball 8mm. Thats why we thought it was funny you'd say these are the first metric bolts you've found, because unless all you did on the car was change oil, there is simply no way you weren't turning metric bolts. I cannot think of a single operation you could perform on a thirdgen without finding 99% metric fasteners. Off the top of my head, i think even the heavy suspension stuff is metric - Basically, if it doesn't thread into a piece of american cast iron on one of these things, it's a metric bolt. And it's not like someone could have switched all the metric bolts out for standard, if you work on jets for a living surely you realize that metric and standard threads won't play well. While a 9/16 - 14mm and 1/2 -12mm, etc are pretty close on a wrench, the bolts have nothing in common on the thread end.

I'm not sure what the thread size is on the fuel rail hold down, but the runner bolts are all M8x1.25. If you want to make TPI R&R a lot easier on yourself, run a tap through all the holes while you have it apart to clean 'em up.
Yes I realize that and I also just realized that I typed that these are the first Metric bolts I have found.. I ment to put some of the first or something to that... I have found others just not a whole lot... actually quite a few doing the tranny work.. I didn't do any of the suspesion work I had someone do that, I mainly do the engine and body...
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Old May 1, 2003 | 05:36 PM
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its funny im missiing 7mm 10mm and 13mm everything.
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