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Old Feb 23, 2004 | 11:09 PM
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crazy idea for fuel mileage

Im basing my ideas off of my chemistry classes, and some research Ive done on getting better fuel economy. Im sure everyone has heard of or read about these http://www.fuelconcepts.com/ the concept is to vaporize some of the fuel and allow it to flow through the intake. Their claim is with fuel injected vehicles and an O2 sensor that the computer will lean out the injectors to compensate the added fuel but the fact that the added fuel is in a vapor state it burns faster. The idea is correct however the built up components seem to be a load of bull.

a liquid under pressure has a higher boiling point (just like the cooling system)

Based on this idea if you could preheat the fuel before it was injected then it should burn faster and cleaner.

You wouldnt want to take it beyond the boiling point of the fuel at atmospheric pressure because once the fuel is released from the injector it is at atmospheric pressure and you would not want it to flash coming out of the injector .

Back in the mid 90's or so I think it was Ford but they had this gasket that went under the TBI and it heated the fuel prior to it getting into the engine to help it burn faster. If I wasnt trying to sell my old TBI S-10 I would test this out on it.

Any one with info on things like boiling point and vaporization temps of gasoline under atmospheric conditions?
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Old Feb 24, 2004 | 12:58 AM
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I think it is a scam it appears that the numbers are not taking into account that their system also uses fuel. Most injection systems are very good at attomising fuel. The next step is direct injection not that scamm.
If you want a perfect mix and better economy get a propane comversion.
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Old Feb 26, 2004 | 01:37 AM
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alot of style of injectors are pointed directly at a hot intake valve,
this helps cool the valve, and fuel vaporizes like a M/F-er

also, engines have been around for a long long time, and with the government leaning on the backs of the manufacturers,

it would be in production a long time ago
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Old Feb 26, 2004 | 03:18 AM
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It is creative, but it would consume more fuel to get better mileage... so it wouldn't really get better mileage. Two words - natural gas. Natural gas creates marginally more horsepower, and is totally harmless to the environment when combusted/exhausted. Just FYI
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Old Feb 26, 2004 | 03:31 AM
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Actually he is right. By fully emulsifying the fule air mixture you get a better, faster, cleaner burn which results in more power, better fuel economy and lower emissions. The only really effective way to do this is to run the air/fuel mixture through a blower, not a supercharger, a blower, yes their is a difference. This heats the mixture and emulsifies it. This results in what you are trying to achieve.

I'm not sure about your idea would get you much.
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Old Feb 26, 2004 | 07:00 AM
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Best crazy idea for fuel mileage, Don't Drive the Car... Saves more money.
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Old Feb 26, 2004 | 08:03 AM
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didnt think of it getting sprayed against the intake valve, that makes sense. Oh well just a thought. I did think of the LPG set up but nah too much work.
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Old Feb 27, 2004 | 06:06 PM
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My 1989 Nissan pickup with TB has a preheater for the fuel (which hasn't worked since I owned it). Supposedly it was to help atomize the fuel better. If you want better mileage, cool the incoming air. Cold air contains more O2 and produces more power.

Another option is to burn a second chip that is set to run a lean mixture. Too bad they don't make one of those multi-chip holder things like they do for the pickups. You could change things at teh flip of a switch. #1 for power, #2 for mileage, #3 for smog, #4 extremely low power for the valet or your son.......

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Old Feb 27, 2004 | 06:54 PM
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Yamaha outboards have a FI system that uses 700psi fuel pressure to atomize the fuel better. That is probably coming pretty soon. Increase fuel pressure and shorten the pulsewidth.
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Old Feb 27, 2004 | 10:18 PM
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if mileage is that big of an issue with a v8 car, you should be riding a bike instead of driving the car.
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Old Feb 29, 2004 | 09:31 AM
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mileage isnt that big of an issue but if you can get good mileage and good HP then why not go for the best of both worlds.
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