View Poll Results: what budget set up sould I go with?
TPI w/ prtd alum l98 heads an accell spr ram runners and plenum



10
47.62%
TPI w ported sdpc vortec heads/intake manifold w edelbrock runners



7
33.33%
Lt1 w/ 4L60e



4
19.05%
LT1 w/700r4



0
0%
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From: Eastside
Car: 1985 Buick Regal T
Engine: 87 3.8 turbo/lc2 drive train
Transmission: 200r4brf
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1. I'm looking to do a budget build but no matter what I'm told I just can't make up my mind! Here is what I'm considering. Swap in an Lt1, buy a vortec intake manifold and heads, or get some used l98 heads port them and use the accel superram runners and plenum.
2. I called Gm looking for a set of gears and they told me $700 for a gear set(12471191) so I called summit racing and they told me that Richmond gears aren't compatable with ABS because they don't work with the reluctor! So they told me tht I would have to get a set of superior gears but they won't work if I have the 7.7.5/ 9 bolt gear ratio only the 10 bolt??!!! My rear end says borg warner on the bottom do I have a 9 or 10 bolt?
3. Also what are the are the ls1 injectors rated at and will they work on our cars and who make a gigantic rear sway bar for a 3rdgen?
2. I called Gm looking for a set of gears and they told me $700 for a gear set(12471191) so I called summit racing and they told me that Richmond gears aren't compatable with ABS because they don't work with the reluctor! So they told me tht I would have to get a set of superior gears but they won't work if I have the 7.7.5/ 9 bolt gear ratio only the 10 bolt??!!! My rear end says borg warner on the bottom do I have a 9 or 10 bolt?
3. Also what are the are the ls1 injectors rated at and will they work on our cars and who make a gigantic rear sway bar for a 3rdgen?
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From: Norwich, CT
Car: '89 Trans AM/'88 GTA
Engine: (2) Tuned Port L98's
The LT1 is logical ..
how much is it costin' ya ??
I like the your Tuned Port Setup ..ecause its a nice street
setup..
then again so is the LT1
see!! I cant even make up my mind and its not even my car!
how much is it costin' ya ??
I like the your Tuned Port Setup ..ecause its a nice street
setup..
then again so is the LT1
see!! I cant even make up my mind and its not even my car!
How about a L98 style engine with an LT1 manifold conversion? Sans the reverse flow cooling, it's practically the same thing and you can retain the gen 1 block if you want to change the manifold to something else later on.
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From: Elgin, IL
Car: 1997 Corvette
Engine: LS1
Transmission: 4L60E
Axle/Gears: 2.73 IRS
If you stick with the current motor, get a set of aluminum L98 heads. They are basically the same thing as LT1 heads and flow very well and can be made to flow even better. They will cost as much as a set of Vortecs but will perform better.
I'm going with an LT1 intake and head setup on my 305. It may be "budget" but it isn't easy. Quite a bit of work and requires welding parts of the aluminum heads.
Otherwise, the LT1 motor is awesome if you eliminate the optispark and use a standard distributor. The block has the capability, you just need to get the intake drilled..though you will lose the EGR function.
And the 700R4 and 4L60E are basically the same thing. The 4L60E is obviously electronically controlled though.
I'm going with an LT1 intake and head setup on my 305. It may be "budget" but it isn't easy. Quite a bit of work and requires welding parts of the aluminum heads.
Otherwise, the LT1 motor is awesome if you eliminate the optispark and use a standard distributor. The block has the capability, you just need to get the intake drilled..though you will lose the EGR function.
And the 700R4 and 4L60E are basically the same thing. The 4L60E is obviously electronically controlled though.
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From: Houston, Texas
Car: 1989 GTA Nighthawk
Engine: 389 CID TPI
Transmission: TCI 700R4
Axle/Gears: 9 bolt 3.23
If you can get the LT1 Conversion for your current engine and it's emissions legal for you, I'd go that way.
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From: Houston, Texas
Car: 88' IROCZ
Engine: 388 TPI Motown 350 Race block
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 2.77
I chose the TPI/Vortec because that what I have
Actually there all good builds just depends how you're going to be pushing on the pedal, and if you're looking for numbers, to statisfy a need for speed, or winning races.
If you're like the rest of us no matter what budget you start with it'll end up being open ended.
Actually there all good builds just depends how you're going to be pushing on the pedal, and if you're looking for numbers, to statisfy a need for speed, or winning races.If you're like the rest of us no matter what budget you start with it'll end up being open ended.
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Car: 1985 Buick Regal T
Engine: 87 3.8 turbo/lc2 drive train
Transmission: 200r4brf
Well the tpi is what I have and its always easier to work with what you have but its kinda outdated tech right?
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From: Houston, Texas
Car: 88' IROCZ
Engine: 388 TPI Motown 350 Race block
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 2.77
Originally posted by Calico
Well the tpi is what I have and its always easier to work with what you have but its kinda outdated tech right?
Well the tpi is what I have and its always easier to work with what you have but its kinda outdated tech right?
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From: Desert
Car: 1991 Z28 Vert
Engine: 383 single plane efi
Transmission: T-56
Axle/Gears: 8.8 with 3.73s
I think that it all lies in what gears you will use and how you will drive it. If you go with the super ram set-up (my vote) than you will find a middle from TPI and LT1. Then you can always go for better heads later. An Lt1 would be a more expensive swap and time consuming.
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Car: 88' IROCZ
Engine: 388 TPI Motown 350 Race block
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 2.77
Originally posted by Calico
rgarcia63
The lt1 isn't new buy it is def newer tech than the l98
rgarcia63
The lt1 isn't new buy it is def newer tech than the l98
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Car: 1985 Buick Regal T
Engine: 87 3.8 turbo/lc2 drive train
Transmission: 200r4brf
hmm that good to know...but I decide to stay with the tpi any ways...since the milage is starting to stack up on my car I decide to buy a complete lower milage l98 from a newer Firebird. I want speed density, then I will buy a set of used aluminum l98 heads and the intake manifold and have them ported. I'm on a budget...lol so I wanna keep it 350tpi!
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From: Houston, Texas
Car: 88' IROCZ
Engine: 388 TPI Motown 350 Race block
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 2.77
Originally posted by Calico
hmm that good to know...but I decide to stay with the tpi any ways...since the milage is starting to stack up on my car I decide to buy a complete lower milage l98 from a newer Firebird. I want speed density, then I will buy a set of used aluminum l98 heads and the intake manifold and have them ported. I'm on a budget...lol so I wanna keep it 350tpi!
hmm that good to know...but I decide to stay with the tpi any ways...since the milage is starting to stack up on my car I decide to buy a complete lower milage l98 from a newer Firebird. I want speed density, then I will buy a set of used aluminum l98 heads and the intake manifold and have them ported. I'm on a budget...lol so I wanna keep it 350tpi!
When I finish my website I'll post a link.
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Car: 1985 Buick Regal T
Engine: 87 3.8 turbo/lc2 drive train
Transmission: 200r4brf
well I've decide on a 91 firebird 350 tpi...speed density! I'm gonna get the vette intake manifold($200) and vette tpi heads($600). If im putting a speed density motor in my originally maf equiped car what problem might arise. The engine is complete and with all harnesses and ecm. Also I don't care about emmissions
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From: Winter Haven Fl
Car: 1991 Z28 convertible camaro
Engine: 383 superram
Transmission: Level 4 Vigilante 3000
Axle/Gears: 3:42,Torsen, moser axles LPW girdle
Why would you buy used Vette heads for 600.00$!!!And then invest time and/or money in porting when you can get new aftermarket Edelbrock or Trickflow with stainless valve, 2:02 1:60 and a better flowing chart compared to the old L98 style...
I would keep your SLP runners and invest the $ in good heads, manifold and exhaust... If you are willing to invest more $ later then you could buy the Superram.
I mean, you can easily find used L98 for 300$. I sold mines (fully ported for 350.00$...
Just my 2 cents
I would keep your SLP runners and invest the $ in good heads, manifold and exhaust... If you are willing to invest more $ later then you could buy the Superram.
I mean, you can easily find used L98 for 300$. I sold mines (fully ported for 350.00$...
Just my 2 cents
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