http://www.lsracingchips.com/inc/sdetail/216

Anybody know anything about these? Good? Bad?

And how easy are they to install or whatever?

-Thanks

 

Both my motors are running on their tune. No probs so far. Highly recommended. There are others out there as ell with good results.

 

WWW.MOATES.NET

Do it youself!

Seth

 

got one in my GTA and love it, I needed a chip fast since I swapped my intake and he was really good to deal with. Ive had the chip for about 7 months or so and have since changed to a lock up style converter and it locks up too soon so I got ahold of him and he said to send it back and he would take care of it for me so as far as customer service goes I like them and like I said as far as the chip goes I love it, The install was pretty easy, I just pulled the ECM out pulled the chip out install it onto the lsne and put it back together.

 

I fail to see how someone can tune your car without being there in person to see how it responds to the changes they make. For $170 you can buy a Burn 1 and and adapter w/ chips from Craig. For the time it takes you to get one in the mail you could already have one burned by trial and error that is every bit as good if not better than this dudes chips.

Seth

 

I agree but then again not all of us have a laptop or know exactly how to burn our own chips, I know its not hard but some people just want to be able to buy one and be done with it. The origional question was about a company, their rep, the ease of use of their product etc, not on what course of action to take. Im not trying to start anything here but too many times do I see when someone asks about aftermarket chips and the subject of burning their own comes up and flames everyone else that burn them and have a company that does it, in my opinion does it quite well in this case. I know you arent going to get the "perfect tune" with these aftermarket chips but most have done it enough they can make more power with them and for whatsome people are expecting is what they get.

 

The actual burning of the chip is the easiest part - the tough part is learning how to tune...but with aids like WideBand O2 sensors, even that is easy.

I divide people into two groups - those who do their own mods/repairs and those who pay others to do their own mods/repairs. Those people who pay people, generally don't even bother coming to this site. I would say everyone that comes here, are obviously looking for information so they can do it themself.

I agree there are somethings that a person may be a little fearful of tackling, such as body work. But burning your eprom is very easy and not very expensive. The most difficult part is the actual tuning, but with the tools available today, and there are plenty of guys on the DIY Prom Board who will be happy to help you.

FYI, I started tuning engines when you only had your ears, nose & eyes to judge a tune of an engine by looking at the spark plugs, listening to the engine and smelling the exhaust. I would have KILLED to have the tools we have today.

But, the best thing about burning your own eproms, you can experiment beyond your imagination...like tuning for not only performance, but all round driveability, remove annoying symptoms that existed with the car from the day you bought it, increase fuel economy and make an engine pass emissions that otherwise would not.

You really learn about engines when you get into eprom burning.

 

Grim,
My point exactly! Do it yourself learn, save money, gain knowledge, and maybe help someone out in the future. Instead of giving your money to some squid who is going to send you a BS chip in the mail.

Meridus,
Im not flaming anyone. If someone wouldnt have told me to burn my own I would have never know about it and would have wasted tons of money with idiots like that. If you look all his HP claims are on DYNO TUNED cars. When you can dyno tune through the USPS pleas let me know. I was just trying to pay it forward like someone did for me. Thats all. $170 is rediculous for $20 worth of parts. But if you got the money to waste go ahead, as for me having the piece of mind that I did it myself and its right is Priceless!

Seth

 

MAIL ORDER TUNE = JUNK

Plain and simple.

There are a few that have claimed to have excellent performance on a mail order tune. I don't doubt that, but I have to wonder how much better it would run with an actual correct tune.

 

this man speaks the truth

 

I burned nearly 50 chips trying to get the closed loop idle set correctly alone, with my ZZ4 cammed 9.8:1 compression 350 TBI. It had a little hunting surge to it and quivered slightly in closed loop. Now it idles like a bone stock 350 TBI, 17 in/hg of vacuum @ 600 rpm, drop it into drive and the RPMs stay exactly at 600 rpm, turn the A/C on and they increase immediately to 650 rpm and stay, and it pulls away smoothly with a light touch of the throttle. Drop the pedal and it moves out with a chirp from the P295/50/R17s, despite 3.07 gears and 5,500 lbs. I am getting 18-20 MPG on the highway and have been averaging 16-17. My lowest tank has been 13.8 mpg, that was beating on it heavily and towing the boat to the lake.

 

i agree with the do it yourselfers. if your on a budget like me, and you have a vision of what you want your car to be like down the road, you can get a reburnable chip and burn your heart away as you change parts on your car. i cant afford to get a full motor done at once, so i take it slow buying heads, cams etc as i get my paychecks. with a burnable chip and burners, i can drive my car while adding things parts

 

Again I agree with all of you and this spring Im going to join you all in burning my own chips. I have seen what can be done by doing this and I cant wait to start playing around with it however like I saidfor me it wasnt the right way to go at the time I bought my chip. My point here is that if you feel you need to buy a mail order chip to get you by for now like I did I would go with LS over anywhere else like Hypertech due to the fact they ask you about your car and your modifications and get it as close as they can over the phone and if your not happy you can send it back and he will do his best to make it right.

 

another hijacked post, wow i don't believe it. back to original post lsracing is excellent. i heard he was the stealth ram expert so i bought the chip off of him and ran great out of the box. i switched between a manual and a auto and jamy(lsracing) reprogrammed for free. and for your info i did all the work minus burning my chip on my car. I have a family i barely have enough time to drive my car let alone work on it not that i give a crap what you think of me.how many people have a dyno at there disposal? lsracing does and i am sure he has programmed a few more chips than most of you anyways i am happy with my chip car runs great!

 

Nope, just advising of an alternative to making one of the most common mistakes in modifying our cars. And, as most guys find out who modify their engines - they usually end up making more mods later, resulting in having to pay further.

Also, once you learn the craft, you can go with a REAL CAM and make REAL POWER! Most guys go with a smaller cam/wider LSA than they really would have like to use only because they were terrified of the tuning issues (or should I say, their "eprom writer" was terrified of the tuning issues - didn't want to spend the time - so they recommended a smaller cam they felt they could tune quickly ).

Laslty, until you LOOK INSIDE the eprom, you really don't know what they did...and virtually EVERYONE I seen (and I've seen hundreds), the changes were usually not worth what they charged.

The saddest thing, often the changes are bad and result in the car running worst.

This is the reason so many of us DIY'ers try to help others - because almost all of us got burned by these "custom eprom writers" early when we made modifications. And only when we got fed up after a number of these "great eprom writers" demonstrated they "weren't so great", did we finally bite the bullet and learn how to do our own...and then we discovered "how little they really knew" (when we looked inside).

 

Jamy and I and I are going to be tuning the 355 with the blower now in about 2 weeks. I'll let you guys know what the outcome is. Its nice having him a few miles down the road

 

I just started reading the burning your own thread. i think you guys are right about burning your own. sorry about the hijacking the thread crack but i do see that alot. i do have some time available during the winter so what the hell i'll give it a shot. for the amatuer which program/hardware would you recommend? thanks

 

lsracing chips did my tuning and I couldnt be happier

 

There is three major things you need: 1) Bin Editor 2) Burner and 3) Scanner.

For Bin Editor, there is basically two choices TunerCat & TunerPro. TunerCat supports a LOT more different vehicles but depending for the most common (SD & 1989 MAF), TunerPro is very well defined as well.

Burner, there is the Pocket Programmer by Xtronics & Craig Moates has a couple of different varieties available. Some work with TunerPro in Real Time. Xtronics will burn a greater variety of eproms but costs more and does not work in "real time".

Lastly, for Scanners there are a couple but I believe TunerPro also can do scanning & datalogging.

I got into eprom burning LONG before TunerPro & Craig Moates were around. If I were to start over, I would probably go with TunerPro & one of Craig Moates burners that support "real time" tuning.

Check out DIY Prom as there are some recent posts on this very subject. Feel free to jump in one of those posts.

But I guarantee, that when you get into burning your own eproms, your only regret will be that you didn't do it sooner. Frankly, I believe the FIRST thing a "newbie" should learn, is how to burn eproms BEFORE they start to modify their car. Some impressive gains can be obtained even on a bone stock car...plus you can increase the gas mileage.

Through the eprom alone, I was able to get my 91 L98 GTA to run high 13s and 30 US MPGs on the highway when it was still bone stock. I drove one time from Kamloops to Calgary (620km/387miles) on just under 48 Litres (12.7 US gallons) on a mostly mountainous two lane road where I had to pass numerous slower vehicles.

 

I have been burning chips since we were still messing with UV erase proms. I have over 1,000 bin files on my various computers and laptops that were all changed in some way, form, or fashion by ME!

I have progressed into OBDII tuning with the 411 PCM used on the LS1s, etc.

I made 423 FWHP from 312 CID of TBI Chevy V8. The KEY is DIY PROM tuning, a killer setup, and a killer ECM Code/Datalogging setup (EBL).

I suprised the hell out of a late model 4.8/5.3 chevy truck with my BONE STOCK, tuned only 1997 305 Vortec work van.

 

Was your 312 a 305 block (not a destroked 350 block)? If so, that's very impressive. I'm always impressed by rebels who make potent 305s.

On the topic of "learning eprom burning", the other recommendation I would make to someone is to go to their local Regional Board and find someone who has all the equipment that will show you what's involved in doing it.

I showed a LOT of guys in my region what was involved in burning your eproms and the most common response I got was "is that all there is to it"?

Because I always felt guilty that I hadn't even finished the 1st beer of the half pack I asked them to bring, I then usually had to get into the "finer aspects" of tuning...which takes a lot longer - but again is not all that hard either - just a little investment of "time".

 

Started as a 3.735" bore

RBob is in PA like the original poster. Might get into touch with him. He might have time, never can tell though. Between his full time job and the EBL, I am sure he stays busy.

 

Didn't notice the PA.

If RBob is busy, contact Brutalform and ask him to give you a demo if he lives close enough to you.

I helped Tom/Brutalform initially learn eprom burning and he remembers what it was like in those "early days". Tom is very knowledgeable and always to willing to help others learn. Just mention my name.

 

Wow lots to read here, but Yea I do plan on doing more things to the car, so I guess me burning it is better?

Whats the learning curve?