NufNuffZ28

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What is involved? How? I know you would have to block off the cold start, but other than that do you just have to get a chip burned for an 89? Where do you get the cold start block off plugs(back of fuel rail and intake(Edelbrock 3860)

Thanks

Chris

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Kyle F

You want to keep the Speed density from the 89. Trust me its a lot better in the long run. You will just have to get a custom chip. If you convert to MAF you will need a whole new computer

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Guest

I think you read his post wrong Kyle


Yea, all you have to do is disconnect the cold start, remove it if you feel like it, and run the 89 chip. You could go get a stock 89 chip from the dealer, it will probably work much better than what you have now anyway. I'll tell you now that you *may* have a problem with the cooling fans coming on all the time, but I havent looked into it yet to see what the fix is. As I understand it, theres a flag in the chip that needs to be changed, which is no big deal if you have a burner or know someone with one, but could be a small problem otherwise.

IROCZTWENTYGR8

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What are the big advantages of having the 89 chip over say an 87 chip??

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Guest

Its more like the SD chip

I really couldnt nail it down for you, I am not about to decipher what they changed between the two but it works much better. Theres some routines and stuff added to the program on the 89 that I havent looked at as of yet. And losing the cold start is a good thing.

IROCZTWENTYGR8

iTrader: (1)

Why??

R.O.B.

I too want to know why loosing the cold start is a good thing. If so, I could just unplug it now. Also, what about aftermarket vs the 89 chip. Are they close the same, just the stocker is cheaper?

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NufNuffZ28

iTrader: (10)

Yea...good question. ROB I wanna know too. Any other advantages to an 89 chip?

P J Moran

First, '89 was MAF, not SD. They aren't even close to the same thing, "chipwise".
Second, the '89 has the most refined MAF code in it, and has more to customize, if you choose to. This is the main reason for switching.
Third, if your cold start injector system is working fine, there's no reason to get rid of it. But if you do switch to the '89 chip, you'll have to unhook the electrical connector from the ninth injector to keep it from firing. The other eight injectors supply cold start enrichment in the '89 code and you will be "double dumping" otherwise.
Finally, search the archives for more information on this swap (including those in DIY PROM). BUT DON'T ASK ANYONE TO BURN A CHIP FOR YOU!

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3.1EyeCandy

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I'm interested in the swap also. Would the swap from an earlier chip to an 89 improve performance, gas mileage? If so, what all does it take and is it worth it?

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Desert86Roc

For LB9 and L89 TPI owners... YES you will get better performance in a 86-88 TPI application to a stock 89 chip, and YES you will get better gas mileage.... So quit talking about it and just do it.


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R.O.B.

And for my second question....Are the aftermarket chips better than the '89?, or are they close to the same?

Vader

Nuff,

Since no one has asked yet, I guess I will...

Are you talking about the OEM 1986 PROM or the reprogrammed PROM resulting from the TSB in 1987? There was a TSB for '86 TPI engines, and the factory fix was a new PROM with a lot better programming. Check the NHTSA site for details on the TSBs/recalls on your car.

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NufNuffZ28

iTrader: (10)

I am going with a 355 so an custom prom is definately needed. The stock prom is ...ummmm...I really dont know where it is. Is that what you are asking? I am new tro the prom burning stuff :-)

Desert86Roc

Vader:

I have the new chip for the TSB for 86's that you were talking about....I still run better with the 89 code. I went straight from the updated 86 chip to an ARAP based chip and only modified the injector flow rate (changed to 19# from the 22), disabled the VATS, and lowered the cooling fan temps. I did not have to change the "Normally open cooling fan request" switch that the later years have to enable (this is why their fans are on all the time).

M.