Which do you think I should choose and why. I'm also going to do a cam and 1.6 RR soon after the intake. Feel free to suggest a particular cam and/or RR. Thanks.

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Mods: ZZ4 engine w/stock TPI, adj, fuel pres. reg., MSD 8.5, HI6S ign. w/ PS-91 coil, K&N filter, TPI air foil, Hooker comp. shorties, American Thunder flows. 160* stat., TB bypass, 3"cowl, bat. relocate, AC delete.

 

IMO, unless staying emmisions legal to the letter of the law is your goal, you would be a masochist to run a SR on purpose. I'm not saying it is a bad piece for making power, just that it is infinitely harder to work on than a MR. Considering both intakes have powered many very fast cars it's a waste to argue which is 'better' for making power/torque. When it comes to simplicity and ease of maintenance, the MR can't be beat.
...ed

ps. I'm sure within the day someone will retort that on X dyno w/ Y engine a SR made this much more torque/power, etc than a MR...well guess what, it goes both way. in this debate, there is no final answer. If you don't believe me, do a search on this same topic and you will find a few that have run up to/over 100 replies.

 

I think Ed is correct. All the people I know with the SR love the power but hate to work around it. All the people with the MR just love let power. I am going to get one after I get my 12 bolt this winter.

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1991 Z28 ZZ4 with LPE superram base, SLP runners, LPE 58mm T-body,Random Technology ramair,TES headers,24#svo injectors,ZEX nitrous,Walbro 255lph f-pump,Accel AFPR,Random Technology catback,!cats,and mutch more.

 

I think Ed is correct. All the people I know with the SR love the power but hate to work around it. All the people with the MR just love the power. I am going to get one after I get my 12 bolt this winter.

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1991 Z28 ZZ4 with LPE superram base, SLP runners, LPE 58mm T-body,Random Technology ramair,TES headers,24#svo injectors,ZEX nitrous,Walbro 255lph f-pump,Accel AFPR,Random Technology catback,!cats,and mutch more.

 

The mini ram is better. It just is.


Seriously, if you do a search, you will learn a lot by reading peoples results which is the best way to learn i think anyway.

Good luck



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11.31 @ 120.2 mph
-=ICON Motorsports=-

 

The super ram is the biggest pain in the *** in the world to work with! Thats all I have to say.

 

I dont know much about the MiniRam except for what ive read. I have heard good and bad things about it. From what ive read it is a good topend intake. But will lose power to a SuperRam below 5000 rpms. This is where my motor will be most of the time thats why I went with the SuperRam. If i was going to go all out and build a track car than a MiniRam or even an Accel single plane EFI system is what I would have used. My cars an auto too thats one other reason.

The thing I dont understand is how people can say the SuperRam is hard to install. Its no harder than putting on a stock TPI system. Ive had mine apart more than few times its not that bad.



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Black 90 IROC, L98, A4, 323 gear. SuperRamed 406 in the works!

 

This is my concern. My car is registered in a county in Tn. that requires emissions. Its not like California or anything, just a simple sniffer test with the car at idle. Does anybody know if the mini ram could somehow pass this? Its the only thing thats tripping me up right now.

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Well I have had both. I went from large tube runners and a ported base to a Super Ram to a Miniram and now I'm going back to the Super Ram. I have a 396 in a 6 speed Corvette. The Miniram exhibits poor air distribution and is very turbulent. The front plugs are leaner than the back. I have also had a tip in stumble that I can't tune out. It requires such a large pumpshot to get 95% of it out the exhaust smells like rotten eggs if you keep goosing it. I have had it a year and for me, it just sucks. There are alot of people against me on this I know and I don't want to start a war. Again for me its not working out. I demand 100% stock driveability with 450+ horsepower. With the Miniram, I'd say I'm about at 95%. Its great on the top end. Personally, I like the big fat torque thrust the SR has. I'm getting the Accel base and ported Super Ram runners gasket matched to my Competition ported CNC AFR 195 heads and Extrude Honed next week. If all goes well, I'll have it on over the Holiday. The Super Ram is harder to put on but its not bad if you ask me. In fact I had it off twice. I wrote a tech tip on tricks of installation located here. http://www.corvetteforum.cc/reviews/...157&TopicID=13

The Super Ram is not that great a casting but he Miniram is worse. At least mine is. I'd go with the Super Ram. Your really not giving up anything. Its not like you take off the manifold every week or something. You'll even be smog legal and that is another reason I'm switching. If the MR was so good, why did GM dump their LT1 intake in favor of a longer runner manifold on the LS1?


[This message has been edited by 89vette (edited August 22, 2001).]

 

This debate will go on for a long time. It really boils down to what you want to do with the car, personal preference, and your definition of what good streetability is. I went through this decision a couple months ago and decided on the superram. My reasoning was this:

1)I have a 700R4 tranny and plan on keeping it, although it will get a perfomance rebuild. This is something that I think gets overlooked a lot in this debate. The 700R4 has a first gear of 3.06 and an overdrive 4th gear of .70. That leaves 2 gears in the middle to cover a lot of ground. The flatter and broader TQ curve of the superram fits with the 700R4 better than the up high "peaky" (comparably) miniram. Now if you have a T-56 or even T-5, you can keep an engine w/ a miniram in it's power range better than a 700R4 can. But if you want to keep the auto tranny, like me, than I believe the superram becomes a better choice.

2)My car is at least 95% street driven. The Superram is a better street intake than a miniram, it performs better under 5000 rpm, and performs WELL up to 6000. While the miniram DOES shine from 5000 to 7000 rpm REALLY well and will get you a higher HP number, but the superram to me is better suited for the street. You also have to use numerically higher gears w/ a miniram since the power is up higher, which means you start getting further away from good streetablity.

Like I said, it comes down to how you want to use the car, what you personally think is good streetability, and personal preference. If I was building an all out racer or didn't mind revving to 7000 rpm or higher on the street w/ a manual tranny(personal preference), I'd definitely get a miniram. But since I like the 700R4 and would rather trade off some of the high rpm HP for more TQ and a better driving street car, I chose the superram.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 89vette:
[B]If the MR was so good, why did GM dump their LT1 intake in favor of a longer runner manifold on the LS1?

I've thought about this too. The tpi runners were DEFINITELY too long, and the miniram's were short, but it seems the LS1's are just about right. I don't have any numbers, but I believe the LS1 intake runners are somewhere between the superram and miniram. Anyone know?

Side note: It figures that just when they get it right, the car is about to be scrapped.

[This message has been edited by BuckeyeROC (edited August 22, 2001).]

 

How can you say that? You can't even SEE the bottom runner bolts on the superram! There is no way at all to take it off without removing the valve covers, and all those little 1/4" 12 point screws are a pain in the *** to put in! Its even tough to plug the fuel injectors in with the runners already on! Patiences is the key. The stock TPI is VERY easy to work with, the super ram isn't.

 

Mini-Ram not legal in CA. Well, I have an idea that could work and thats the key word COULD work. I have heard you could install an engine that was OEM of the same or newer year. Couldn't you say you swap your L-98 for an LT-1 and hook it up with all the emission stuff and pass?

 

Correct me if im wrong but the Miniram is illegal in every emissions state because it ditches the EGR. So CA or not its against emmision laws. But I don't believe that the average sniffer test will know that EGR is gone. As long as they don't perform under hood checks your ok. Even if they do I've seen idiots that work at emissions that wouldn't know an EGR valve if it bit them in the ****. I wouldn't risk it though if they do.