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Old May 28, 2008 | 07:23 PM
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high knock counts

How do you know if the knock counts are false or not when dattalogging.I get some pretty high knock counts and it has me a little concerned.I`m useing tds dattamaster and I`m having troble uploading the info to here.
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Old May 28, 2008 | 09:10 PM
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Transmission: 700r4,2500 stall
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Re: high knock counts

I`m not sure if the knock retard is what I should be talking about.If this isnt in the right place would a mod please move it.I`m not hearing any knocking or pinging driving or standing infront of the engine and pushing the throttle by hand.

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Old May 28, 2008 | 10:00 PM
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Re: high knock counts

I think I got it to upload.Crap I dont think yall can do anything with that.
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Old Jun 8, 2008 | 06:53 PM
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Re: high knock counts

I still cant figure out how to get this stuff uploaded.Could someone help with that or tell me why I may be having these high knock counts/retard.Wouldnt I hear something at 20 degree knock retard.I hear no knocking/pinging and the car seems to run fine.If it could be false knock what could cause that.I just dont understand all of what I`m looking at or what it means.

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Old Jun 8, 2008 | 07:17 PM
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Re: high knock counts

please send me the logfiles to theking_v8@hotmail.com or add me at msn, be there a while longer.

If you got msn, add me there now, and Ill check em out for you.
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Old Jun 8, 2008 | 09:25 PM
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Axle/Gears: G80,10 bolt 3.42's
Re: high knock counts

I`m a computer retard.I`m not even sure how to send the files on an email but I`ll look at it.Dont think I have msn.

No,dont have msn but I think I managed to send you one of the files in an e mail,or atleast I tried.

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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 01:14 AM
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Re: high knock counts

Upload this file just like you did the text file.

C:\Program Files\TTS\DataMaster OBD1\DM-32\Testdata\test2.uni
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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 08:41 PM
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Re: high knock counts

I`ve been trying to and for some reason it keeps telling me its an invalid file.I tried to compress it to a zip file here.


says its invalid or corrupted.I dunno...???
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Old Jun 10, 2008 | 01:12 AM
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Re: high knock counts

Shadygrady been loooking at your logs and when youre knocking it pulling away spark adv. and when it does youre real lean like ~142 in BLM and its pulling away 20 deg of ignition. (and then slowly less down to ~4..).. So you have a real knock retard. thats for real..
Thats prolly caused by lean condition and you have to solve that by giving it some more fuel...

Your BLM goes down to ~160 and thats not good, lean condition will melt your pistons in the long term... So you gotta get that fixed..

and your TPS is too high for a 3gen Camaro, you have it at 0.63V it should be at 0.54V so change that too..
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Old Jun 10, 2008 | 12:47 PM
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Transmission: 700r4,2500 stall
Axle/Gears: G80,10 bolt 3.42's
Re: high knock counts

Do you think the lean condition is because of the way the prom is programed,or a mechanical/electrical issue?Thanks.
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Old Jun 10, 2008 | 01:28 PM
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Re: high knock counts

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Do you think the lean condition is because of the way the prom is programed,or a mechanical/electrical issue?Thanks.
Well hows your PROM made now, and do you made any big changes ?
did you change to an 350 without making a new prom (you using a 305 prom on a 350 engine? injectors with size are them..)

Need to know little more to answer that question fairly, let me know and ill help you out
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Old Jun 10, 2008 | 06:14 PM
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Car: 87 IROC Z
Engine: 5.7 L98 TPI
Transmission: 700r4,2500 stall
Axle/Gears: G80,10 bolt 3.42's
Re: high knock counts

The prom was supposed to be made custom to all the modifications I curently have.No changes to the engine since.I changed stall,gears and had my trans rebuilt/beefed up but that wouldnt affect anything.I`m running 21#/hr accels right now.I plan to go up to some 23# or 24# ford injectors when I upgrade to high flow edelbrock base and slp runners.I`m running about 42 psi at idle with my fuel pressure.I`m going to try and contact the guy who did my prom and see if I send him those dattalogs in an email if he can make any changes to correct the problem.
I know burn your own chips.Sounds great,but i work 60 to 80 hours/week and have a family.My wife already hates my car.I do hope to get into it eventually but right now it`s not an option.
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Old Jun 11, 2008 | 04:50 PM
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Transmission: 700r4,2500 stall
Axle/Gears: G80,10 bolt 3.42's
Re: high knock counts

Where do you see the blm`s,and the maf table.I need to send that to the guy that burnt the prom but I cant find them.He said the blms were not on there.Am I running too much timing.
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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 01:35 PM
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Re: high knock counts

If you look at your STERM and LTERM in datamaster you see the upper one is going pretty lean on many places.. pretty much all the time...
Thats is in the logfile you sent to me over hotmail : new trans,gears,converter

He made it pretty much lean all the way so that NEED to be fixed..

Remember that stock 350 TPI uses 22lbs injectors, if youve done things to your engine and have put smaller injectors on it, it will be lean.. especially if its programmed in the prom that you have smaller injectors 21 (instead of 22lbs thats stock on a 350cui..)

So talk to him and ask him to give you more fuel, and set your fuelpressure to ~48PSI (without vacuum connected to the AFPR)

sorry for the late answer , but we have been away until today

let me know how it turns out.
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