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Old Nov 14, 2001 | 06:56 PM
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should fuel pressure rise when revving?

ok, vacuum hooked up, and guage shows pressure lowering about 2 PSI when revving engine. also it jumps around ALOT (about 5-6PSI) as soon as i open the throttle. should it raise, stay the same or lower when revving? without the vacuum connected it shows 44 PSI.


EDIT: 44 PSI with the hose NOT connected. about 36 WITH it connected.
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Old Nov 14, 2001 | 06:59 PM
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Should raise, maybe 10-15 psi from idle to full throttle.

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Old Nov 14, 2001 | 07:16 PM
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when engine is in neutral? if it doesn't raise then whats that mean.

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Old Nov 14, 2001 | 07:50 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by breathment:
when engine is in neutral? if it doesn't raise then whats that mean.

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Fuel pressure regulator maybe. Vaccuum problem possibly at WOT. Since the fuel pressure and the vaccuum to the fuel pressure regulator are all connected in a way, there's a good chance that's your problem.

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Old Nov 14, 2001 | 07:55 PM
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but vacumm at WOT should be very low right? meaning it would be as if the Vacuum hose wasn't even connected to the intake. is there any rule as how much pressure should rise based on vacuum?

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Old Nov 14, 2001 | 10:49 PM
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Yes, the pressure at the regulator will vary with maifold vacuum. It will change directly proportional w/ manifoldd pressure. Meaning, if the engine is making 20" of vacuum at idle, thats 2/3 of a perfect vacuum. Atmospheric pressure at sea level is 14.7 psi. Ths, the rail pressure will drop by 2/3 of 14.7psi, or about 10psi. FPR design is such that this never works in a perfectly 1:1 linear fashion, but a pressure drop of 8-10 psi on a stock cam,med (~20" of vacuum engine is about right)
44psi at idle w/ vacuum connected is way high unless you're into the PROM and have adjusted the injector constant. I'd bet $1 you're bottoming your BLMs running that high/rich (meaning your computer is outside it's ability to compensate for the extra fuel in closed loop, and simply runs grossly over-rich in open loop)
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Old Nov 14, 2001 | 11:25 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by breathment:
but vacumm at WOT should be very low right? meaning it would be as if the Vacuum hose wasn't even connected to the intake. is there any rule as how much pressure should rise based on vacuum?

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On my stock 305 TPI engine, the fuel pressure dropped 10 psi from idle to WOT.

Basically from what I could translate out of the Ed's post, your fuel pressure regulator is probably not working to it's full potential and you would probably benefit from A. a new fuel pressure regulator OR B. an adjustable fuel pressure regulator.

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Old Nov 14, 2001 | 11:39 PM
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ED. im an idiot, I ment to say its 44 PSI NOT connected. and like 36 PSI with vacuum connected. Im sorry That kinda changes stuff

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Old Nov 15, 2001 | 05:00 AM
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If you are reving the engine in park and looking at FP guage you are not getting the right reading.You have to tape the FP guage to the winsheld and drive the car.The engine needs a load on it to get the correct reading.Just reving it in park the FP will raise then start to drop, it wont raise and hold the engine neeeds the load on it.

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Old Nov 15, 2001 | 10:38 AM
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Mine used to drop under full load. Finally figured out the problem when the pump died. I had a hole in the rubber line between the pump and the hardlines. Under load the pump couldn't keep up, so pressure would drop. The line finally failed after two years. New pump, new hose, no problems.

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Old Nov 15, 2001 | 05:24 PM
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that's a commomly overlooked problem.

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